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Yeah, some of them are quality. Like the one on the border and the promo on Rey with the goofy clothing and the camel is actually among his better ones. I'm mainly talking about his promos earlier in 05 in his final months as champion and during the Batista feud. It was truly the same ol' shit but he has a gem from January which I found hilarious. He talks about winning some kind of award and that kids chant his name every morning on their breakfast tables. Too bad I can't find it on youtube or even dailymotion. It's from 13/1/05 if you wanna see it.

And I guess it comes down to opinions because the Hogan match was dragged down heavily by the fact that the Hulkster was barely able to move whereas the casket match I found entertaining. Glad the Eddie match gets over 10 minutes. Should be good enough as I didn't even know that the two wrestled each other before Eddie's death in a singles match.
Yep. The Batista program is where I was referring to. Nothing about that program was good. Decent brawl at Summerslam '05 was it. haha. I don't recall that, but I'll TRY and scope it out. Doubtful if you couldn't find it yourself. Maybe I'll get Yeah1993 on it. He's the magician for finding things on the streaming sites.

Oh yeah, of course. I seem to be the only guy who doesn't like the casket match. No bother to me. I simply couldn't get into it. Maybe if it lacked Bob Orton Jr, I wouldn't be so negative on it. Maybe. Yep. One of Eddie's final bouts too. Strategic move to place him in the ring with one of the bigger/better heels at the time. Get that return to the face side going. Explains the bout vs Kennedy too. I wonder if Eddie made that any good. I know I marked big time for the finish back in the day.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:46 PM   #11082 (permalink)
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I'll try uploading that JBL segment on youtube. Got nearly all of 2005 so maybe I should give uploading a try. A tag match with the guys from the No Mercy 4-way already got past the copyright bullshit, so I'll see if I can upload more. I'll link it here or alternatively, via rep if I am successful.
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Sounds like a plan. Hope you can get it up.
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Cena-Lesnar from Extreme Rules is like a top TEN company match for me ever, so like... Obviously it's my MOTY , with Punk-Bryan KIND OF close (since it's almost ***** too believe it or not), and some others (HHH-Lesnar, HHH-Taker, Punk-Jericho WM) in the distance. FUCK. When I'm done this project I'm going to see all of this again.

In regards to Punk being better than Benoit & Guerrero in the ring ; he ISN'T. Is he THAT far off ? Nope, I really believe he isn't despite how much some people may hate that idea. If I were to say who's the better TOTAL PACKAGE of the three however ; the discussion would get really interesting between Guerrero and Punk.

I went back through the years and started GRADING guys out of 20 ; out of 10 for their in-ring skills, and out of 10 for their mic work, to determine who is the best "total package" in history, as well as breaking the list down into tiers. You can only be a "total package" in my eyes by having a 7.5 or over in both categories, so although they're better than some of these guys and SCORED HIGHER, (Benoit & Bret come to mind) they didn't average out well enough to make the cut. I'm talking about people who can wrestle just as good as they can cut promos.

The "Ric Flair" Tier

Ric Flair (Obviously) : 10/10 In-Ring , 10/10 Mic skills.

Ric Flair is the Greatest Wrestler of all time in my eyes. I've made that well known to pretty much everybody out there that will read my stuff, and as far as perfection comes in the industry, whether it be consistency OR great primes, Flair has EVERYBODY beaten. If I listed my top 10 GOAT matches, Flair would be in atleast 4 of them, and if I listed my top 10 promos ever, he might be in half of them. I just LOVE the guy.

The "Nearly Damn Perfect All Around" Tier

Steve Austin : 9/10 In-Ring, 9/10 Mic 18 total
Eddie Guerrero : 9.75 In-Ring, 8.25 Mic 18 total

The "All Time Great" Tier

Randy Savage : 9/10 In-Ring, 8.5 Mic 17.5 Total
Mick Foley : 8/10 In-Ring, 9.75/10 Mic 17.75 Total
CM Punk : 8.75 In-Ring, 8.75 Mic 17.5 Total
The Undertaker : 8.5 In-Ring, 7.5 Mic 16 Total
Triple H : 8.25 In Ring, 7.75 Mic 16 Total

The "CLOSE To All Time Greatness" Tier

John Cena : 8 In-Ring, 7.5 Mic 15.5 Total
Shawn Michaels : 8 In-Ring, 7.5 Mic 15.5 Total
Chris Jericho : 7.5 In-Ring, 8/10 Mic 15.5 Total

Probably missing alot of guys, but those are probably the 10 guys that I'd consider to be the best all-around talent that the WWE has ever seen. Guys like Benoit (10 In-Ring, 6 Mic) , Bret (9.75 In Ring, 7 Mic), and BACKLUND (9.5 In Ring, 7 Mic) would have a higher overall score (this being BETTER) than nearly half of the guys on my list, but it's a "complete packages" list so whatever.

In regards to Punk ; I think he definitely has a shot to hit that "Top 5 Total Package" status and beat out Savage & Foley in the future if he can. Personally, if he went out and had the same past two years in terms of match quality and promos for the NEXT 2-3 years, I could probably justify in my own mind putting him second. I don't think we'll ever see another Nature Boy, the Michael Jordan of wrestling in my eyes.

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Putting Mick Foley over Shawn Michaels puts you on a higher level in my eyes.

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Mick only a 9.75 on the mic? Really underrating him tbh
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I'd put Taker/HHH above Lesnar/Cena, but neither gets my nod for MOTY, and neither get in my top 5. Punk/Bryan OTL by far gets MOTY for me.

As far as K1ngofK1ng's grading, here's how I put it (not going to change the order since I'm too lazy, just changing the grades)


Ric Flair (Obviously) : 9/10 In-Ring , 10/10 Mic skills 19 Total.

Steve Austin : 9/10 In-Ring, 9.5/10 Mic 18.5 total
Eddie Guerrero : 9.5/10 In-Ring, 9.5 Mic 19 total

Randy Savage : 9/10 In-Ring, 9 Mic 18 Total
Mick Foley : 7.5/10 In-Ring, 10/10 Mic 17.5 Total
CM Punk : 8.5 In-Ring, 9 Mic 17.5 Total
The Undertaker : 9 In-Ring, 8 Mic 17 Total
Triple H : 8 In Ring, 8 Mic 16 Total

John Cena : 8 In-Ring, 5 Mic 13 Total
Shawn Michaels : 9 In-Ring, 7.5 Mic 16.5 Total
Chris Jericho : 9 In-Ring, 10/10 Mic 19 Total
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Mick is a 15/10 on the stick, tbhayley.
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TBH, the only reason I didn't give a 10 to Foley on the mic is I wanted to clearly represent how I believe Flair is SLIGHTLY better on the mic than him. Foley is a close number two no doubt, but the GOAT is gonna GOAT
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Those guys should have a match together to prove their superiority.

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