[Clique]

Originally Posted by Best In The North Pole

EDIT : Clique, I`ma think about that one. By think about it, I mean think about where I`d have Punk ALL TIME right now, as well as where he has the potential to end up if he stays on top being consistently great. I`d already have him miles above every other full-timer since 2009 though, and that`s without much thought (ALL AROUND). I had a GOAT top 25 list written in pen around here somewhere, I`ll let you guys know where I have Punk ranked in a little bit.

Maybe it was someone else but I thought you posted your Top 10 a couple of months ago and said Punk and Cena had done enough to be considered Top 10 right now (just WWE/F history). I personally wouldn't say Punk is better than the three guys I mentioned. It's probably personal taste which will probably always come into play. We probably do have to consider what Showstopper 97 said when we look back at the span of their careers with the company. Although Savage was with the company around 9 years and Punk will be at 7 years next year so I wouldn't say it is too unfair to compare them right now.

[Big Z]

WWF/E Guys I'd Put Over Punk:

Undertaker
Austin
Backlund
Michaels
Mysterio
Foley
Bret

Then there are a handful of guys like Savage, Benoit, Guerrero, Cena who for various reasons could top him but I'd have to put more thought into it and in some cases see more of them (Savage for instance since I'm drawing a blank on his stuff outside of Steamboat and Hogan... and Warrior though I ain't as high on that as everyone else). Guys like Benoit and Guerrero for the most part were hard working mid card guys and then had a somewhat short run at the top while Punk was also mid card but has been on top longer. Benoit's 04 and Guerrero's 05 would probably be the main reason I would put them about Punk if I did.

[Marv95]

Originally Posted by The Sandrone

I don't remember the Steiner/Nowinski feud at all and truthfully, I don't give a damn. Nothing on Raw that year was worth while after Rock left besides maybe Austin being co-GM. Orton as top heel on Raw in 09 after he had his momentum crushed is part of the reason 09 got pretty bad that year, along with the guest hosts. 2011... the fact Truth is apparently what made it bearable says enough.

I'd still put 2012 above all of them.

-Goldberg as champ?
-The immediate aftermath of Kane's unmasking?
-The Kane/Shane feud which many people on the IWC praised?
-Evolution?
-HHH/HBK at the last Raw of the year?

Yeah Raw was bore until the summer but it picked back up after Kane's unmasking.

[Big Z]

Goldberg was terrible for his entire WWE run. Kane/Shane sucked and their matches are terrible. Evolution had a far better run in 04. Jericho/HBK needs to be mentioned more as a great Raw match from 03. I mean, there are only two of them yet only one gets mentioned!!!

[Clique]

Is that just in-ring Cal? Adding promos and character into the mix changes things if we are looking at it from an overall perspective. Savage would most certainly be up there for me. Savage wasn't a Bret or Benoit in the ring but he was so distinct in everything he did down to a running knee to the back that made him so special to watch.

[Choke2Death]

Originally Posted by FuckChristmas

WWF/E Guys I'd Put Over Punk:

Undertaker
Austin
Backlund
Michaels
Mysterio
Foley
Bret

Then there are a handful of guys like Savage, Benoit, Guerrero, Cena who for various reasons could top him but I'd have to put more thought into it and in some cases see more of them (Savage for instance since I'm drawing a blank on his stuff outside of Steamboat and Hogan... and Warrior though I ain't as high on that as everyone else). Guys like Benoit and Guerrero for the most part were hard working mid card guys and then had a somewhat short run at the top while Punk was also mid card but has been on top longer. Benoit's 04 and Guerrero's 05 would probably be the main reason I would put them about Punk if I did.

On what are you basing this on? Impact, legacy, wrestling abilities? If any of those are included, Punk shouldn't even be top 50.

[Gamblor]

Originally Posted by Marv95

-Goldberg as champ?
-The immediate aftermath of Kane's unmasking?
-The Kane/Shane feud which many people on the IWC praised?
-Evolution?
-HHH/HBK at the last Raw of the year?

Yeah Raw was bore until the summer but it picked back up after Kane's unmasking.

Goldberg has champ is part of the reason Raw was terrible. Kane's unmasking aftermath was good and I liked the reinvigorated Kane, but I didn't find the Kane/Shane feud anything that special. Don't care what many said. Evolution imo picked up more in 2004 and 2005... 2003 was just "eh" for them until the end of the year when they got all the titles. And HBK/HHH last Raw of the year, while an awesome match, I was looking at the grand scheme of things... not necessarily just one match.

I still maintain 2003 had pretty much nothing worthwhile outside of the first 3 months, which really comes down to Hollywood Rock and Austin/Rock. Maybe you can put what I said about Kane as far as something good in 2003, and Austin as co-gm, but besides that it really wasn't much better than Raw right now imo.

[BANKSY]

Here comes the GOAT debate....

[Marv95]

The Kane/Shane feud was entertaining. Match quality isn't the only thing that matters and sometimes it doesn't matter. Made me want to know what the hell they were gonna do next week.

[Big Z]

Originally Posted by Clique

Is that just in-ring Cal? Adding promos and character into the mix changes things if we are looking at it from an overall perspective. Savage would most certainly be up there for me. Savage wasn't a Bret or Benoit in the ring but he was so distinct in everything he did down to a running knee to the back that made him so special to watch.

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

On what are you basing this on? Impact, legacy, wrestling abilities? If any of those are included, Punk shouldn't even be top 50.

I'm basing mainly on ring work/amount of quality matches with promos thrown in, and how much I personally like them.

And I personally didn't find Kane/Shane feud that entertaining .

Edit: And after thinking about it for about 2 minutes, I'd probably throw Benoit and Guerrero over Punk.