[TJChurch]

Originally Posted by redeadening

I dont see what's so wrong about letting Taker has his streak.

Nor do I... However, if WWE is going to do that, let's just admit that in one of the "dirt sheets" &/or on the IWC, so that we don't waste our time discussing its possible end on every Road to Wrestlemania.

Originally Posted by redeadening

Considering he dedicated his entire career to be a side character,

He did. 1] When did he tell you (or anyone else) that? 2]It sure hasn't appeared that away for at least about 8 years.

Originally Posted by redeadening

i think its a bit of an honour, especially in contrast to Shawn and Triple H who were often the main stars

Hard to believe considering they actually were in a famous stable together, & even shared matches together after one of them had supposedly retired.

Originally Posted by redeadening

And as for Taker's matches in the post Wrestlemania 23 era (Taker I believe, hit 'big time' mode at No way out 2006 and continued until Summerslam 2008, afterwards he just had amazing Wrestlemania matches), whats wrong with them? why didnt they impress you?

I don't think "whats wrong with them" is the right question without speaking of an individual match, which I am not about to do. As for why they didn't impress me, not going to answer that except to say that they didn't. That's not saying anything, as many matches are not all that "impressive". But many of Taker's matches aren't that good. (That opinion is all I will say.)

[TJChurch]

Originally Posted by MachoMadness1988

It's not arrogance so much as just someone looking for attention and trying to get a rise out of people. It's obviously working well for everyone.

Actually, it is none of the above. Why would I do that when I clearly get reactions from people here when I don't want them, get asked the same question 80x after already answering the verbatim same one before, etc.?!

[MachoMadness1988]

Originally Posted by TJChurch

Actually, it is none of the above. Why would I do that when I clearly get reactions from people here when I don't want them, get asked the same question 80x after already answering the verbatim same one before, etc.?!

Good point.

I have no issue with you bro. Until I do I have no problem holding a conversation with you. I have not been on this forum long but I stay for the conversation. Its a fun way to kill time and I think we all bring something different to the table. I don't always agree with you but respect your opinion and everyone elses. Im a tough person to get upset though especially on a pro wrestling message board. You think Savage is overrated? You think Foley is nothing more than a stunt man? You think the Montreal Screwjob was a good thing? You think Sting's match with Flair at the first Clash of the Champions sucked? It's not going to bother me. Now I think those takes fucking suck but hey to each his/her own. It's pro wrestling for Gods sake.

Don't get too worked up about answering a question though. If you come on a forum and disagree with people (which you do quite a bit...you don't say much that is positive) you have to be prepared to back it up. Even when I disagree with someone I respect their opinion if they explain where they are coming from. Which you did. It does come off like you enjoy arguing. If I'm wrong it won't be the last time it happens. Like all of us.

[Yeah1993]

what the fuck is hell_kaiser?

[TJChurch]

Originally Posted by MachoMadness1988

Don't get too worked up about answering a question though. If you come on a forum and disagree with people (which you do quite a bit...you don't say much that is positive) you have to be prepared to back it up. Even when I disagree with someone I respect their opinion if they explain where they are coming from. Which you did. It does come off like you enjoy arguing. If I'm wrong it won't be the last time it happens. Like all of us.

I am one of the biggest defenders you're likely to find of people's right to there opinion... Except when it comes to me. Actually, I also don't care if you like or hate me, so long as you make known it's an opinion. I boldfaced what I did because they sound like not opinions but observations, & are WAAAAAY off-base.

Last I checked, this was not a forum/thread for anyone (even me) to discuss me.

[heyman deciple]

Finally watched the Bret Vs. Shawn DVD. As a HUGE fan of both I loved it.

The one thing I found ironic, was Bret giving Shawn shit about dancing with kids in the ring then on the second disc after Bret gives away his glasses to a little girl he let's her kiss him on the cheek.

Both are creepy Bret, BOTH ARE CREEPY.

Hypocritical much, Hitman?

[MachoMadness1988]

This is going to be a very unpopular post but I'd like to see the Taker streak end. It has lost a lot of it's luster since he became Taker Claus and works one day a year. I really think it's fucking stupid TBH. Ok you don't want to be a full-timer or even part-timer anymore. I get it. You are old and your body is beat up. It happens. So fucking retire.

Now I love Taker. Probably in my top 10-15 favs of all time. I remember marking like a motherfucker in the 5th grade when he tombstoned Hogan on a chair and won the Winged Eagle (RIP) at Survivor Series in 1991. I have found myself wanting the streak to end though the last few years. Lets be honest half of the matches during the streak suck. I think Taker should have lost to Edge at WM24 and that should have been earlier in the card with HBK V Flair closing the show. I not only say that as an Edge fan but I think it would have meant a lot to Edge's character which is very underrated.

Love the match or not but the end of the HitC was perfect. I loved it and don't really do the whole star rating thing but I do enjoy reading reviews of matches. If I had to give it a star rating I'd say somewhere in the 4-4.5 family. I was very entertained. I think Taker needs to walk away though. Why come back after two epic matches (again my opinion) with HHH in back to back years? Nothing left to prove. But IF he comes back for WM29 I'd like to see him in Survivor Series as well since thats where his career started.

I have had this Survivor Series idea for a few weeks. Some sort of old school elimination match with new guys V older guys would be badass. Like Punk, Bryan, Brock, Cody Rhodes, Barrett (Im expecting a big push and for him to be champ once healthy) and Cena V Austin, HHH, Angle (yes that Angle), Rock, Foley and Taker would be badass. If not Angle maybe Christian or Kane. Yes I know you have faces and heels on the same team but they could come up with some angle (no pun intended) where this would work and work well. This would also build my Mania 29 dream card of....

Austin V Punk (If no Austin or Angle are around I'd love to see a Punk V Bryan Iron Man Match but that wont happen so maybe a title unification match...Bryan would have to win the title back obviously and I really think Punk will be champ again at mania next year but will drop it in the next couple weeks or months and win it back around Royal Rumble time)

Rock V Brock (I really dont care if this has a title up for grabs or not....this would be a great rematch from a good match 10 years ago)

Angle V Bryan (I Quit match)

Cena V HHH (Retirement match...with HHH losing)

Taker V Barrett (who I expect to be a mega heel by then)........if Taker retires thn just remove Taker and Barrett from the Survivor Series match above and make it a 5 on 5 instead of 6 on 6

Foley V Cody Rhodes (No DQ match....I could see Foley doing for Rhodes career what he did for HHH or Orton and think this could be a great match if Foley is in shape and Foley has said on twitter he has one "big" bump left in him.....why not a HOF induction in his backyard and one last hardcore match?)

Originally Posted by TJChurch

I am one of the biggest defenders you're likely to find of people's right to there opinion... Except when it comes to me. Actually, I also don't care if you like or hate me, so long as you make known it's an opinion. I boldfaced what I did because they sound like not opinions but observations, & are WAAAAAY off-base.

Last I checked, this was not a forum/thread for anyone (even me) to discuss me.

Fair enough & likewise. I try not to waste a lot of time on what people think of me. At the end of the day that is not something I can control. I just do me. If people think I'm cool thats awesome. If they think I suck oh well. I'm not for everyone. Same goes for you. Something I am able to do is get along with someone and be respectful even if I disagree with them. That sets me apart I guess but like I said earlier Im a tough person to upset. Especially here.

I guess if you don't care what people think about you and you don't care if you get along with someone why would you waste so much time talking with people about a topic as unique as pro wrestling with people you either don't care for or don't give a shit what you have to say? That comes off like you are looking for attention but if I'm off my bad homey.

My take on why people are wanting to talk about you is just the way you come off. You come off very negative and like you shit on everything. Maybe that is accurate? Maybe that is just the way you are? Hell if I know. This is what out 4th time talking with each other. I don't have enough to go off of. I try not to form opinions on people/things without lots of fact.

[Vader]

I actually only made those comments to get an answer out of him, which worked. You have the complete opposite opinions to me I think, TJC. Would you say that you aren't a fan of the slower pace of wrestling? Have you seen much Memphis work from the 70's/80's? Or is it more of a 'just not liking it because it is The Undertaker' kinda thing?

[Razor King]

Some of the discussions in the thread has been face palm worthy. Like what the?

Originally Posted by Clique

Well I certainly got that feeling watching the End of an Era at WM28. Can you believe people think that match was only brawling and chair shots? The storytelling, drama and emotion in that match along with the intensity and brutality was off the page. It was almost like watching the finale of an epic movie.

Could the HBK/Flair-HBK/Batista-HBK/Jericho-HBK/Taker-Taker/HHH-Taker/HHH/HBK be the best arc in WWE history? From the wrestling to the promos to the matches to the finishes, it has been nothing short of what I'd call perfect storytelling. It's marvelous seeing how those feuds unfolded and transitioned to the next set of guys. WWE or someone should make a DVD on it. From 'Old Yeller' to 'End of an Era.' This stuff is of legend.

Most people who dislike the match aren't high on Triple H. At least, that's my observation. I also think people who didn't enjoy last year's match haven't enjoyed it this year too. It depends on how people perceive the match and I have to be honest: some were biased even before the bell rang.

Regardless, I agree with the "arc" you described. Every WrestleMania since 24 built the successor match and it all concluded with Hunter and Undertaker this year. The storytelling in each and every match is what places it in another category because there are very few matches with the same emotional value and the depth in the story than the matches you mentioned.

[Hohenheim of Light]

I'd insert Cena/Trips and Cena/Shawn in that arc too.