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Old 12-08-2012, 03:42 PM   #10451 (permalink)
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Alberto is a fine worker IMO. Something about his execution of moves. He just screams a true wrestler. But he is very bland character-wise, though.

Just got done with watching this fun 8 man tag match from Raw after Unforgiven. Big Show/Cena/HBK/Matt Hardy vs Edge/Masters/Angle/Snitsky. The ending was pretty awesome with Cena going crazy doing his signature moves and then Edge getting sandwiched by the entire face team in a 4 man pinfall.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x51...t#.UMOwKbUnguc
Did you see Del Rio's moonsault from SD last night? It kinda owned. His enziguri late in the match was pretty sick too.
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:45 PM   #10452 (permalink)
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From 2009-Present , do you know how many NEW WWE Champions there have been (that haven't won a world title in a previous year) ?

Three, and they've ALL been heels at the current time that they've won. WWE for some reason is VERY hesitant to put the title on a new face, it seems that the WHC is a "test-drive" for faces they believe can elevate to the WWE Championship. That doesn't put the odds in Ryback's favor, who will probably be WHC for a majority of 2013 if I were a betting man.

Orton is the John Cena of Smackdown, in the sense that he's bigger than the WHC, and will probably never win the belt ever again. However, he isn't bigger than the WWE Championship, which is why instead of just being filler like he practically has been since after the Henry feud in 2011, a switch to Raw in the main event scene will benefit him for sure. The last time we've had two NEW WWE Champions (never before held a world title in general) in one year was 2006, so the odds against Ryback are pretty stacked.

So it looks like the WWE title scene will be a combo of Punk/Sheamus/Cena/Orton for a majority of 2013, with one guy who has never held the belt holding it at some point. The smart money there would have to be placed on somebody like Bryan (who WWE fucks with for some reason) or... Well that's about it
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By the way, every one of my "mark out" or "epic rage" moments when watching a PPV with my friends have all involved either Cena, Orton, or Punk.

1. Marked the fuck out when Orton won the WWE Title at No Mercy 2007.

2. I was so fuckin pumped at Punk's win at MITB last year that I jumped up, tripped, and stumbled into a door.

3. PISSED beyond belief at the ending of Summerslam 2011. Fuckin Del Rio...
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Tbh I don't think there was a point in his career where he was truly 'great', or even very good. The highpoint is probably that 2002-2003 stretch on Smackdown when he was feuding with Angle, then teaming with Mysterio and even working Lesnar on the Rebellion tours. But I mean that point of his career isn't exactly 'amazing' by any stretch and at times he comes off as quite clueless/spotty in some of his matches. He does shine in that fatal four way elimination match with Benoit, Angle and Mysterio though. Pretty sure his leg selling in the final stretch with Angle was very good.

2005-2007 he was a great character, but still hardly pulling out great matches. The Flair TLC match and Unforgiven Steel Cage match vs Hardy are his two best singles matches for me, with the Foley Wrestlemania match rounding out a top 3. Yet I'd struggle to call Edge as the best guy in any of them. The TLC match is built around Flair and his underdog performance, with Edge taking a few great bumps to sell the upset. The Hardy match really is a Hardy showcase for me and definitely something I'd point to as evidence of Hardy's talent ahead of Edge's.

For me, 2008-2011 he was unbearingly bad with the overacting and really belongs in that Shawn Michaels league of terribly unconvincing acting. I'm in the minority but I've never really cared for any Cena/Edge match, and the Rated RKO/DX matches whilst not being awful really aren't that high in terms of modern age WWE tags. Tbh one of his more stronger matches where he puts in a good performance might be the Raw 2007 match with Orton. Vengeance 2004 is another match of his where again, his opponent for me steals the show and really ensures the match reaches the heights it does. Its the same in the Raw rematch with Orton again outclassing Edge as the heel.
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My first time appearing/posting on this forum and I couldn't help notice all the comments regarding the Steel Cage between Edge and Matt Hardy from Unforgiven 2005, which makes me very eager to watch this. Heard a ton of positives on this match, but rarely hear any negatives. Hard for me to believe I've never watched that match, hopefully I'll get to it sooner rather than later.

Just watched Kurt Angle vs. Chris Benoit from Royal Rumble 2003 again. One of my favorite matches of all-time, and still equally as good the first time I watched it. Out of all the series of matches they've participated in together, this one takes the cake as the best one. Man, they were both just two phenomenal ring workers, and the chemistry was off the charts!
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I'd like to do one of the series review thingys but I honestly don't know if I'll have the time until January and even then, I have my own list of shit that I plan to watch lol. If it was a really short list that I had easy access to I'd do it but I wouldn't be up for a long one that involved a lot of research because I simply wouldn't have the time. This is my 'to watch list' heading into the new year, in no order:

Best Cage matches Set
Elimination Chamber Set
Best of Raw 2009
Best of PPV 2011
Best of PPV 2010 (if I buy it)
Best of Raw 2010 (if I buy it)
Best of Raw/SD 2011 (if I buy it)
DA BROCKTAGON Set
DA RAWK Set
The Definitive NAITCH Collection Set

I also want to do my own end of year 2012 match review along with a 2011 one too. So yeah, I plan to be a busy bee when I get the time off. But the best laid plans and all that lol.
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Tbh I don't think there was a point in his career where he was truly 'great', or even very good. The highpoint is probably that 2002-2003 stretch on Smackdown when he was feuding with Angle, then teaming with Mysterio and even working Lesnar on the Rebellion tours. But I mean that point of his career isn't exactly 'amazing' by any stretch and at times he comes off as quite clueless/spotty in some of his matches. He does shine in that fatal four way elimination match with Benoit, Angle and Mysterio though. Pretty sure his leg selling in the final stretch with Angle was very good.

2005-2007 he was a great character, but still hardly pulling out great matches. The Flair TLC match and Unforgiven Steel Cage match vs Hardy are his two best singles matches for me, with the Foley Wrestlemania match rounding out a top 3. Yet I'd struggle to call Edge as the best guy in any of them. The TLC match is built around Flair and his underdog performance, with Edge taking a few great bumps to sell the upset. The Hardy match really is a Hardy showcase for me and definitely something I'd point to as evidence of Hardy's talent ahead of Edge's.

For me, 2008-2011 he was unbearingly bad with the overacting and really belongs in that Shawn Michaels league of terribly unconvincing acting. I'm in the minority but I've never really cared for any Cena/Edge match, and the Rated RKO/DX matches whilst not being awful really aren't that high in terms of modern age WWE tags. Tbh one of his more stronger matches where he puts in a good performance might be the Raw 2007 match with Orton. Vengeance 2004 is another match of his where again, his opponent for me steals the show and really ensures the match reaches the heights it does. Its the same in the Raw rematch with Orton again outclassing Edge as the heel.

Edge was probably 'very good' through some parts of 05-06. I definitely don't think he was a great character, though. Before the 05 Rumble he speared Michaels backstage and started pulling his own and squinting his eyes and curving his mouth and it wad the most embarrassing thing I have ever watched that wasn't 2010-2011 Edge. I should re-watch the 02 Angle matches because I've always liked them.

The Rated RKO/DX tag at Cyber Sunday stinks and I couldn't finish on my last two watches. NYR is a good one, though. I've never really like Cena/Edge either but it's probably been 2007 since I last watched their TLC.
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Cena/Edge
Triple H/Orton
2 feud series you couldn't pay me to watch anytime soon. I swear they wrestled waaaaaaaaaaay toooooooo much.
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Edge was probably 'very good' through some parts of 05-06. I definitely don't think he was a great character, though. Before the 05 Rumble he speared Michaels backstage and started pulling his own and squinting his eyes and curving his mouth and it wad the most embarrassing thing I have ever watched that wasn't 2010-2011 Edge. I should re-watch the 02 Angle matches because I've always liked them.

The Rated RKO/DX tag at Cyber Sunday stinks and I couldn't finish on my last two watches. NYR is a good one, though. I've never really like Cena/Edge either but it's probably been 2007 since I last watched their TLC.
Tbf I didn't watch all his run in that time, so whilst I expected some of his 'acting' to let him down I was speaking more from his 05 heel turn and then slowly gaining mega heat in the Hardy program and then cashing in on Cena. Felt like a breath of fresh air and he was a great slimeball/douchebag character. It definitely ran its course though and I wouldn't at all be surprised if I grew to dislike the character if I went back and watched a lot more promos and segments from that portion of his career.

Actually forgot to say one of his most impressive performance is actually at Summerslam 2005. I know people crap on the match since it makes Hardy look weak (though personally I think its a great way to advance the feud), but Edge's punches, kicks and headbutts were really good in the match which shocked me because he's never been a guy I'd point to as thriving in that sort of environment. Of course Hardy's a sublime seller and he really makes the kicks and overall beating look truly emphatic, but I couldn't find fault with anything Edge did in that match.

I probably should give him more credit for the Flair TLC match, especially the way they timed the spots to tease the upset. But I still think Flair and his underdog veteran performance carries a lot of the emotional investment in the match, same way Lawler is responsible for a lot of what made the Miz TLC enjoyable.

The Cena/Edge TLC just isn't my cup of tea anymore. Just feels generally like an excessive prop war and compare it to something like Sheamus/Morrison as an individual gimmick match where ladders are the main theme, and I can't see how its better. I admit the Cena hate probably made it engrossing on live viewing, but its not really a match that ages well and just feels like its a collection of ladder/table spots. The LMS from Backlash 09 is much in the same vein. Doesn't feel as heated and personal as a feud ender should be, and the reliance on impressive visual spots just feels lazy. FU into the crowd did catch me off guard however.

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Never been too fussed on Edge tbh either as a character or in the ring. I can enjoy him if he does something interesting etc but wouldn't put him anywhere near GOAT status or anything like that. I LOVED his program with Cena though. He was definitely at his best and it's about the only time I genuinely really enjoyed him.
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