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Old 12-08-2012, 03:16 PM   #10441 (permalink)
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Ziggler/Danielson from BR was stellar.
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:20 PM   #10442 (permalink)
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I'd actually put Sheamus > > > Ziggler at this point. Besides the MIZ, WWE has done a great job over the last few years with their main event players being pretty damn good workers. ADR is pretty shitty too for main event standards come to think of it. Might be the second blandest character in the WWE right now next to Wade Borrett.

Now that I think about it, Dolph has had a program with pretty much every current big name in the WWE (Cena, Orton, Punk, Bryan, Sheamus, Rey). What the fuck is up with that ? He needs a program with a Henry or a Big Show soon IMO , he would really shine in those situations. Seriously, I think out of everyone on the current roster, he probably would be the best person to work with Ryback and get a good match out of him for once in his career. Besides Ryback, what other face is there for Ziggler to feud with ?
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:24 PM   #10443 (permalink)
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Alberto is a fine worker IMO. Something about his execution of moves. He just screams a true wrestler. But he is very bland character-wise, though.

Just got done with watching this fun 8 man tag match from Raw after Unforgiven. Big Show/Cena/HBK/Matt Hardy vs Edge/Masters/Angle/Snitsky. The ending was pretty awesome with Cena going crazy doing his signature moves and then Edge getting sandwiched by the entire face team in a 4 man pinfall.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x51...t#.UMOwKbUnguc
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Not sure who I'd consider better between Sheamus and Ziggler. They both have some bad qualities, but are both great for the most part. Sheamus is extremely underrated by some people around these parts (probably not in this thread though lol ). Sure he got pushed hard and fast, but imo the moment he dropped the title in the EC in 2010 I think he rapidly improved. Shame that aside from his WHC run this year, his title runs have always been shitty and in the background (second one was in the background while Cena was battling Nexus, and honestly I cannot remember a single match he had at that time with the belt... or when/who he dropped it to ). And then of course his WHC win this year was terrible. Should have been given 15 minutes or so at WM.
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:28 PM   #10445 (permalink)
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Yeah that match is included on the UNF 05 DVD as an extra, and I concede that it's a ton of fun to watch, pretty sure I threw a favorable rating at it once upon a time.

Mark my words when I say that a CM Punk/Sheamus feud will happen in 2013 and that it will fucking own. It'll probably main event a PPV or two I'm pretty sure, once Sheamus gets out of the WHC picture and into the WWE Championship picture. Yes, that means that I'm saying either Sheamus or Punk will be WWE Champion come mid 2013. Who the fuck else would it be besides Cena/Orton ?
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:32 PM   #10446 (permalink)
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I'd comfortably take Sheamus over Ziggler at this point. Sheamus works well with almost everyone, though his weaker matches do generally happen when he faces someone of similar build but without a distinctive style: e.g Cena and Del Rio. He works well with smaller guys like Ziggler and Bryan, due to his agility and being able to work a generally quicker pace and he thrives against bigger opponents or guys who brawl more, e.g Show, Henry, Barrett, Tensai and Cesaro. Its almost impossible for the guy to have a bad match with the style he has, though I would love to see if he could eventually produce a great match with someone like Cena since he does seem to generally work better when his opponent has a more distinctive style.

Ziggler's problem is that outside of his bumps and finishing stretches barely anything else happens in his match. He really can't make a control segment engaging and there's this terrible sense of apathy in 2/3rds of any match of his. You can fast forward to the ending and not really miss anything outside of a great bump. Very rarely does a clear story build throughout the match and there's very little in the way of pacing or selling. He works a good counter heavy finishing stretch to his credit, and its not like all the issues I'm citing are all his fault. But he's not as good a heel worker as someone like Drew Mcintyre who makes nearly an entire match matter and builds little stories and character moments into his matches.

Ziggler as a face interests me far more. He can bump for all the offence which is his strong point, he's got a decent finishing stretch and signature arsenal of offence..his biggest problem is just making the middle portion of the match have any depth or mean anything. Being a face and having to simply bump and time his comeback could be a much better thing for him.
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Yeah that match is included on the UNF 05 DVD as an extra, and I concede that it's a ton of fun to watch, pretty sure I threw a favorable rating at it once upon a time.

Mark my words when I say that a CM Punk/Sheamus feud will happen in 2013 and that it will fucking own. It'll probably main event a PPV or two I'm pretty sure, once Sheamus gets out of the WHC picture and into the WWE Championship picture. Yes, that means that I'm saying either Sheamus or Punk will be WWE Champion come mid 2013. Who the fuck else would it be besides Cena/Orton ?




Actually, I wouldn't mind a Punk/Cena/Orton/Sheamus title scene. The main reason I non-stop trash Punk is because I'm sick of him as champion. The hate didn't really start until Wrestlemania time when his title reign was just getting boring. And a heel turn is not enough to make it "fresh". If he would take a break from the main event scene for a bit, it would be great.
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:36 PM   #10448 (permalink)
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Yeah, all thsi talk has made me put Unforgiven '05 on my 'need to buy' list. Always curious about HBK/Masters and I've amazingly never seen that Hardy/Edge Cage match.

I'm not even gonna compare, Sheamus & Ziggler are two of my favorites right now. Two great workers who can essentially have a good match with anyone imo.
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My favourite Ziggler match is probably the one with Chris Masters in 2010. I really, really, really liked he and Swagger v Kofi and Bourne from Vengeance last year, too. Agreed on the Edge match. It isn't bad but really not that good at all. I hate sounding like a broken record but Edge was unbelievably hard to watch by then.

I'd definitely, definitely have Sheamus over Ziggler.
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Speaking of Edge, when was he really GREAT in non-gimmick matches?
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