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For as dreadful as Raw may have been in 2009, it is still a million times better than today. Add to it a much better Smackdown plus ECW and 2009 is a fine year even if Hornswoggle and the guest hosts make it look otherwise.
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I can see where you're coming from with Raw but I'd put this year above it. I just couldn't get into anything Raw was doing after March in 2009 except for some tag team stuff in JeriShow, Legacy, DX and Henry/MVP.
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I feel like a Cesaro/Mysterio feud could elevate Cesaro so much. Rey Rey still has tons of credibility.

Thought Burchill was hilarious as the pirate but then he came back even better as a heel. He was sort of delegated to jobbing in ECW but his matches were still usually fun. I don't know if I ever saw Christian/Dreamer from NOC. As a matter of fact, I think I've only seen Punk/Hardy from that show. Their other matches were good though, I agree there. I found the original ECW pretty damn fun, but I couldn't be happier with how ECW turned out when it got revived. Such a nice alternative, but not the alternative everyone was expecting.

I miss the occasional Goldust match out of nowhere. Now we get it with Regal though.
Absolutely. Mysterio might not be exactly at the level he once was at. That's life though. Mysterio proved with the right opponent he can still do something worth seeing. vs Danielson for example. Cesaro could leave that looking like a star. Already did vs Sheamus in a sense. (he lost via countout only)

Pirate Paul Burchill was probably my guilty pleasure of 2006. I loved the hell out of that gimmick. He got over too. Look at the crowd. Facts don't lie. He was a jobber the majority of his ECW stint. At least during the program vs Helms he got some wins in there.

NOC is decent/solid. Has it's high points and it's low points. Low points being the two pathetic divas matches. Fuck me they were bad. Christian/Dreamer is oddly on the lower part of the show. It was just there. Kind of the definintion of a uneventful bout. Luckily Christian won and went on to rule the rest of the year. Granted he was ruling plenty at that point.

Excellent point on ECW being the alternative. It wasn't "EC-DUB" like it tried to be the first 6 months of it's existence. Which I do give credit to Vince for. They gave those fans a little something instead of nothing. Once Paul Heyman left it changed. That's fitting. It was meant to be the off-beat/different brand used elevate younger wrestlers without getting lost in the shuffle on the other brands. Morrison sure as hell benefited from going there. CM Punk debuting on it of course worked wonders. Got time to establish himself and get over with the fans. Matt Hardy, Mark Henry, & from a non-championship push perspective Finlay all got great rubs off the brand too. Oh, and EVAN BOURNE. Great outlet for him. When ECW become a completely new star oriented roster it was stellar. Leading the roster was Christian & Regal respectively which allowed the younger guys to follow behind in a fashion that helped everyone out. Then you had vets like Goldust (who needed it), Dreamer & Shelton all adding to the crop. Dammit I loved that show. That brand made someone like Yoshi Tatsu instantly credible. It's too bad what happened for him. His months on ECW were booked really, really well. They knew what they were doing there. That's the real positive I'm pointing out.

Sad when I heard Goldust departed with the company for what feels like about the tenth time. Hope there could be a window to come back. More random Regal bouts please. I'm partial of course. Idc if they happen on Superstars only either. I'll take that. His tag on Smackdown in England was quality.
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Absolutely. Mysterio might not be exactly at the level he once was at. That's life though. Mysterio proved with the right opponent he can still do something worth seeing. vs Danielson for example. Cesaro could leave that looking like a star. Already did vs Sheamus in a sense. (he lost via countout only)

Pirate Paul Burchill was probably my guilty pleasure of 2006. I loved the hell out of that gimmick. He got over too. Look at the crowd. Facts don't lie. He was a jobber the majority of his ECW stint. At least during the program vs Helms he got some wins in there.

NOC is decent/solid. Has it's high points and it's low points. Low points being the two pathetic divas matches. Fuck me they were bad. Christian/Dreamer is oddly on the lower part of the show. It was just there. Kind of the definintion of a uneventful bout. Luckily Christian won and went on to rule the rest of the year. Granted he was ruling plenty at that point.

Excellent point on ECW being the alternative. It wasn't "EC-DUB" like it tried to be the first 6 months of it's existence. Which I do give credit to Vince for. They gave those fans a little something instead of nothing. Once Paul Heyman left it changed. That's fitting. It was meant to be the off-beat/different brand used elevate younger wrestlers without getting lost in the shuffle on the other brands. Morrison sure as hell benefited from going there. CM Punk debuting on it of course worked wonders. Got time to establish himself and get over with the fans. Matt Hardy, Mark Henry, & from a non-championship push perspective Finlay all got great rubs off the brand too. Oh, and EVAN BOURNE. Great outlet for him. When ECW become a completely new star oriented roster it was stellar. Leading the roster was Christian & Regal respectively which allowed the younger guys to follow behind in a fashion that helped everyone out. Then you had vets like Goldust (who needed it), Dreamer & Shelton all adding to the crop. Dammit I loved that show. That brand made someone like Yoshi Tatsu instantly credible. It's too bad what happened for him. His months on ECW were booked really, really well. They knew what they were doing there. That's the real positive I'm pointing out.

Sad when I heard Goldust departed with the company for what feels like about the tenth time. Hope there could be a window to come back. More random Regal bouts please. I'm partial of course. Idc if they happen on Superstars only either. I'll take that. His tag on Smackdown in England was quality.
Shit, I forgot about Benjamin, how the fuck did I do that? It really worked wonders getting guys like Punk and Bourne over and hell, it saved Morrison and Miz's careers, imo. Makes me rather happy that Hulu Plus which I have for the next two months has every ECW from 2008 to the end. I liked Tatsu. He was different and pretty good in the ring. He even got the win in that WM 26 battle royal.

Would love to see Goldust back. He was in great shape before. I don't think he does Superstars much anymore but I love how they got him into the WHC feud for a little bit.
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I can see where you're coming from with Raw but I'd put this year above it. I just couldn't get into anything Raw was doing after March in 2009 except for some tag team stuff in JeriShow, Legacy, DX and Henry/MVP.
I really don't know about that. This year has just been awful from every angle. Even the only good part of it (Road to WM) isn't what it's made out to be. Rock/Cena was disappointing with all the "Dwayne" and twitter bullshit, End of an Era was the three legends cutting the same promo every week and the rest of the stuff were completely irrelevant. They were coasting in the first two months then after Wrestlemania, Brock Lesnar kept things relevant for a while before things went to shit after Extreme Rules. It's not even mindless Punk hating, I just have had absolutely no reason to care about anything this year that didn't involve part-timers. Cena/Laurinaitis/Big Show was fucking boring, Punk's love triangle with AJ and Bryan was horrendous (not Punk's fault here, the angle was just awful), Raw 1000 was good but Punk's heel turn was the most underwhelming choice they could have made going forward. Because the "shooting" stuff was hot for one month back in 2011. Now, instead he became a one-dimensional whiner about demanding respect and since then, it's become a one-man show. Unfortunately, the one man it's centered around has not done anything worthy of making it watchable. I really think everyone who makes the cliché "I only watch for Punk" comment is hopeless.
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Shit, I forgot about Benjamin, how the fuck did I do that? It really worked wonders getting guys like Punk and Bourne over and hell, it saved Morrison and Miz's careers, imo. Makes me rather happy that Hulu Plus which I have for the next two months has every ECW from 2008 to the end. I liked Tatsu. He was different and pretty good in the ring. He even got the win in that WM 26 battle royal.

Would love to see Goldust back. He was in great shape before. I don't think he does Superstars much anymore but I love how they got him into the WHC feud for a little bit.
We seem to forgot about these wrestlers who had gold motifs while on ECW. (Goldust & Gold Standard...bad joke?)

It made Miz's career for me. I wasn't a fan until he made his way onto ECW. After that I was sold.

Oooh. Go watch as many ECW's from 2009 as you can. I did it via dailymotion. The quality on some were questionable so your outlet is the clear winner. Glad I got to relive it though. That's the fun part.

Tatsu was cool. ECW made me care and like him. It probably could have been the same if they used any face in that situation. That's my point on how well ECW made people look credible. Everyone on there could really be considered legit to some degree. Remember VANCE ARCHER? Ok, his run wasn't much. But, seeing Hoyt for a tiny bit was still worthy for me.

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I really don't know about that. This year has just been awful from every angle. Even the only good part of it (Road to WM) isn't what it's made out to be. Rock/Cena was disappointing with all the "Dwayne" and twitter bullshit, End of an Era was the three legends cutting the same promo every week and the rest of the stuff were completely irrelevant. They were coasting in the first two months then after Wrestlemania, Brock Lesnar kept things relevant for a while before things went to shit after Extreme Rules. It's not even mindless Punk hating, I just have had absolutely no reason to care about anything this year that didn't involve part-timers. Cena/Laurinaitis/Big Show was fucking boring, Punk's love triangle with AJ and Bryan was horrendous (not Punk's fault here, the angle was just awful), Raw 1000 was good but Punk's heel turn was the most underwhelming choice they could have made going forward. Because the "shooting" stuff was hot for one month back in 2011. Now, instead he became a one-dimensional whiner about demanding respect and since then, it's become a one-man show. Unfortunately, the one man it's centered around has not done anything worthy of making it watchable. I really think everyone who makes the cliché "I only watch for Punk" comment is hopeless.
I watch for CM Punk.
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Crowd was good? I just watched it. It was absolutely dead outside of the announce table spot and the finish.

Edit: Ugh, I quoted the wrong comment, but you get my point. Crowd was awful for 90% of it. 5 stars is crazy. If that's 5, what is Flair/Steamboat? 10?
The Flair/Steamboat matches I really have to re-watch as it has been years... but I've gotta find the time. Had them all at *****, but I really do need to re-watch them as I honestly can't remember much about them at all. I'd put Taker/Angle above all them though from what I do remember.

Crowd wasn't great, but it wasn't awful either. They were fine throughout, and more than fine enough to only help the match, not hurt it.
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The Flair/Steamboat matches I really have to re-watch as it has been years... but I've gotta find the time. Had them all at *****, but I really do need to re-watch them as I honestly can't remember much about them at all. I'd put Taker/Angle above all them though from what I do remember.

Crowd wasn't great, but it wasn't awful either. They were fine throughout, and more than fine enough to only help the match, not hurt it.
Angle/Taker over Flair/Steamboat in '89?

Re: crowd, different strokes for different folks I thought they were very quiet save for the announce table spot and finish. Other than that, I was waiting for them to wake up. Ah well.
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I do have to re-watch the Flair/Steamboat matches to fairly judge. Thing is I don't even put them in my all-time list because while I have them all at *****, I just don't know where to put them and it's been so long since I've seen them.
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I do have to re-watch the Flair/Steamboat matches to fairly judge. Thing is I don't even put them in my all-time list because while I have them all at *****, I just don't know where to put them and it's been so long since I've seen them.
Gotcha'. I would definitely watch them again. Nevermind where you rank them, but just for the pure enjoyment of watching great wrestling. They were an awesome trilogy of matches. As someone who grew up in North Jersey and pre-dominantly on the WWF while growing up, I didn't have access to watch NWA and was way too young anyway. Watching NWA stuff (especially Flair/Steamboat) on DVD years later, I wish I had been able to witness all of that while I was in my 20s.

Absolutely fantastic stuff in all 3 bouts. The first one was more of a quick-pace match (for NWA stuff, 25 minutes or so), second one was in-between (40 mintues) and a good balance of pace, and the 3rd one was a 60 minute match with some of the best mat-wrestling you will ever see. Ground-breaking stuff for the time. They did an excellent job expressing the differences in their characters through their wrestling styles in these matches. Works of art.
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