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**The Lady Killer** · 12-06-2012, 06:41 PM

Have you seen Taka/HHH? Midcarders were over as fuck back then. HHH made Taka look amazing, and like he actually had a shot of winning. Tell me that if it had been Taka instead of Jericho, that the crowd wouldn't have gone apeshit.

**Gamblor** · 12-06-2012, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Reindeer Killer

Have you seen Taka/HHH? Midcarders were over as fuck back then. HHH made Taka look amazing, and like he actually had a shot of winning. Tell me that if it had been Taka instead of Jericho, that the crowd wouldn't have gone apeshit.

Not like they did with Jericho. There would've been a big pop, but not anywhere near what Jericho got.

Of course it's all speculation and that's all we can do. Fact is Jericho got the pop, and it's definitely up there as one of the biggest of all time.

**Starbuck** · 12-06-2012, 06:43 PM

Why? When he fought Taka the place lost their shit at the possibility of him losing the title. When he fought the Brawler and actually got beat people lost their shit because he actually lost the match. People wanted him to lose that thing so badly they would have popped if fucking Harvey Wippleman took it off him.

**Obfuscation** · 12-06-2012, 06:43 PM

They did go apeshit when Taka almost won. I mentioned that match pages back when, *GASP*, I was putting over Triple H.

I don't agree with the claim that it had to do more with Triple H during that time. Replace Triple H with any other heel during their highest point around that era of wrestling and it would be the same thing. It's a two way street if someone wants to claim all aspects on one wrestler.

**The Lady Killer** · 12-06-2012, 06:44 PM

Moot point I guess, since there's no way to prove it other than to look at crowd reactions of his other matches during the time period when people would've given anything to see him lose to ANYBODY. Oh well.

**The Lady Killer** · 12-06-2012, 06:45 PM

Replace HHH with any heel? How does that work? There weren't any better heels at the time...

**Obfuscation** · 12-06-2012, 06:47 PM

At any time during that era. Aka meaning when wrestling was at a peak. Didn't mean only the early part of 2000.

**Starbuck** · 12-06-2012, 06:49 PM

Replace Triple H with any other heel during their highest point around that era and the response would have been the same? OK. Kurt Angle? Don't think so. Chris Benoit? Don't think so. Later in the year, Rikishi? Don't think so. Edge/Christian? Don't think so. Anybody else? Don't think so. Why? Because people didn't hate any of those guys anything close to the level they hated HHH and wanted him to lose the title. That's why on that particular night, with that particular crowd and with the way they led into the title stipulation getting added in before the match, it could have been anybody other than Jericho and they still would have popped because somebody finally took the title off HHH. Jericho is the replaceable body in this scenario, not HHH.

**Obfuscation** · 12-06-2012, 06:51 PM

Didn't realize "around that era" only meant the year 2000. Oh damn. My point is crushed.

Choke2Death · 12-06-2012, 06:52 PM

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I'm comparing what both to bring to a respective program and why I can't see how people (not necessarily you) can talk about Punk being irrelevant and overshadowed next to Rock but still cling to Orton being some sort of hot commodity that they're missing out on booking. Punk brings more to the table in the ring, via promo and in his character. He's a far smarmier guy and someone Rock can play off of well, he can work a match as a heel expertly and play to Rock's strengths and most importantly he has the edge in his promos that can produce an intense and interesting feud.

This is clearly you not caring for Punk as much as I don't care for Orton tbh. I'd say career to career Punk wipes the floor with Orton, though 04-06 Orton is probably better from a character standpoint to anything Punk has done except for the Summer of Punk in 05 and the 09 heel turn. Babyface wrestler goes to Punk and career wise he's a far better heel worker than Orton, though again peak Punk as a heel worker vs peak Orton would be a far greater discussion, since Orton's one of the highlights of the past decade in that brilliant 2 year run as the Legend Killer.

Well, I find Orton to be a simply better talent so I'm infinitely more interested in him taking on another favorite like The Rock rather than Punk, who I find as much entertainment in as snails racing.

As for career comparisons, I don't even know how they can compare. Orton is head and shoulders above Punk. Whether it's achievements or match-list. I just can't take Punk seriously as anything other than the loudmouth heel getting his ass kicked. He's an AWFUL babyface (not that Orton is much better) and as a heel, he can only be a trash talking asshole, which is him playing his real personality. Wrestling wise, Orton is MUCH more athletic and interesting. Punk's wrestling feels choreographed to the bone. He's very sloppy.