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post #10181 of 20566 (permalink) Old 12-06-2012, 07:21 PM
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Starbuck nailed it. Orton's feuds have been utter shite but he's not alone in that respect. Standard feud these days is guys wrestling on raw, tag match sometime before the PPV, interfering/commentating on the opponent's match and maybe a staredown. No promos, no backstage fight, no heated verbal exchange, no clear progression beyond a wrestling match. Del Rio and Orton began feuding with Orton pinning Del Rio, it ended with Orton pinning Del Rio. Never did the feud feel like it progressed or went anywhere in the 6 weeks they were feuding.

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Would like to see Orton/Lesnar, even if it's heel/heel. Make it absolutely brutal, plz.
I can't imagine Lesnar being allowed to do much at all to Orton. Isn't he still carrying a number of potential injuries, hence why he's all but slowed his style down to preserve his body? I'd sooner see Bryan face Lesnar aside from Cena. Play it up as technique vs skill, have Lesnar massacre Bryan and tease Bryan pulling out a win. He works wonderfully against monster opponents and he's got the offence to pose a credible threat to Lesnar, though I wouldn't have him pick up the win.

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I disagree. If Orton gets a change in character and moves away from this Viper shit, he'll be pretty good since his mic skills are not bad and he's the most charismatic guy on the roster after Cena (not including Christian since he's more often away than not). For his wrestling, I think he's always been great except when he was getting started and around 09 when he had that super methodical style. He's still the best choice after Cena from the full-time roster when it comes to "dream" matches.
Ehh I don't see this innate charisma in Orton at all, especially against someone like Punk who's far better at working a smarmy douchebag heel character to really make the crowd want to see Rock kick his arse. Time for Orton/Rock was back in 04-05 when Orton was at his peak as a future superstar who thought he was the dogs bollocks and who needed to be given a smack. Orton's style is the drizzling shits and I really don't see him as this megastar crowds will be dieing to see interact with the likes of Rock and Lesnar. He's over in the arenas but that's about it and there's just very little you can do with him as a character to make a feud work. At least someone like Punk has the chip on his shoulder to bring some heat and spice to a program, and he'll always have that Indy following that will make a lot of guys consider him going up against one of the company's all time greats a special sight.
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It's still crazy to me that Orton's only 32 or whatever he is and look at his career already. Mad.
He's also extremely talented so if anyone deserves it, it's him. That's also why I laugh at his dumbass haters who will always go "LULZ HIZ IRRELEVENT!!!11" as if it means a damn thing. Stone Cold was irrelevant in 2002 and when looking back, he's still one of, if not the greatest of all time.

And I have given up hope on Cena ever turning heel.

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Ehh I don't see this innate charisma in Orton at all, especially against someone like Punk who's far better at working a smarmy douchebag heel character to really make the crowd want to see Rock kick his arse. Time for Orton/Rock was back in 04-05 when Orton was at his peak as a future superstar who thought he was the dogs bollocks and who needed to be given a smack. Orton's style is the drizzling shits and I really don't see him as this megastar crowds will be dieing to see interact with the likes of Rock and Lesnar. He's over in the arenas but that's about it and there's just very little you can do with him as a character to make a feud work. At least someone like Punk has the chip on his shoulder to bring some heat and spice to a program, and he'll always have that Indy following that will make a lot of guys consider him going up against one of the company's all time greats a special sight.
Why do you keep talking about Punk? I never made a comparison between them or anything. With that said, I still find Orton in OVW more entertaining than Punk at his best but that's beside the point.

Orton, even today, would be a great opponent for The Rock. It's not like anyone in the roster has anyone "dying for an interaction" with the part-timers that bring in the money for PPVs.

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Holy shit Bryan/Lesnar would fucking OWN if they booked it right. Let it be a real david/goliath match.



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BROCK/Bryan would be fucking awesome. I'd also like to see BROCK/Dolph just to see Ziggler sell Lesnar's offense





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They need to do a Brock/ZACK GOWAN rematch plz. More stretcher flinging off the ringpost
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Why do you keep talking about Punk? I never made a comparison between them or anything. With that said, I still find Orton in OVW more entertaining than Punk at his best but that's beside the point.
I'm comparing what both to bring to a respective program and why I can't see how people (not necessarily you) can talk about Punk being irrelevant and overshadowed next to Rock but still cling to Orton being some sort of hot commodity that they're missing out on booking. Punk brings more to the table in the ring, via promo and in his character. He's a far smarmier guy and someone Rock can play off of well, he can work a match as a heel expertly and play to Rock's strengths and most importantly he has the edge in his promos that can produce an intense and interesting feud.

This is clearly you not caring for Punk as much as I don't care for Orton tbh. I'd say career to career Punk wipes the floor with Orton, though 04-06 Orton is probably better from a character standpoint to anything Punk has done except for the Summer of Punk in 05 and the 09 heel turn. Babyface wrestler goes to Punk and career wise he's a far better heel worker than Orton, though again peak Punk as a heel worker vs peak Orton would be a far greater discussion, since Orton's one of the highlights of the past decade in that brilliant 2 year run as the Legend Killer.
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You see this I have to disagree with tbh. This moment was everything to do with Triple H. Jericho could have been anybody, Taka, Rikishi, Kane, whoever. The real reason those fans popped like crazy was because somebody had finally beat HHH for the title. Jericho was over big time and it got a great response because it was him but he really could have been anybody who was over at that time and those fans would have lost their shit regardless. I'm talking in general terms here. Of course if you mark for Jericho then it was everything to do with him but generally speaking, that pop and reaction had way more to do with people hating HHH than loving Jericho/whoever else it could have been who got that spot.
Outlandish. Of course Jericho being loved had something to do with that. Jericho was mad over. HHH was a great heel that they wanted to see toppled. Badda boom, badda bing, big pop. Wasn't only Triple H. That's just dumb to claim.


Orton's charisma has never been high. Even during his Legend Killer phase. No way he can even be grouped next to Cena. That's baffling. Over Punker is perplexing.

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Yeah, not sure when "Orton has tons of charisma" has ever been a correct phrase.

Cody, Starbuck/myself wasn't giving full credit to Hunter, but we're saying that the huge pop of Jericho beating HHH would've been just as big if it had been any other over star at the time. People just wanted to see HHH get beat.





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Outlandish. Of course Jericho being loved had something to do with that. Jericho was mad over. HHH was a great heel that they wanted to see toppled. Badda boom, badda bing, big pop. Wasn't only Triple H. That's just dumb to claim.
I never said that it didn't. I said that it being Jericho made it that much sweeter because he was over and had that connection with the fans but like I also said, Jericho could have been Taka or Rikishi or Kane or a Hardy or Scotty 2 Hotty or whoever else and the place still would have exploded like that because the pop was primarily for the fact that HHH lost rather than wrestler X won. Nothing dumb or outlandish about it tbh.
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I don't necessarily agree about anybody beating HHH would've produced that insane pop. Rock? Sure. Austin? Sure. Maybe Taker as well at the time (though he wasn't back yet if I recalled). But besides them, I don't think the pop would've been anywhere near as big as if just anyone happened to beat HHH. I think HHH being beat had something to do with it, but Jericho being as popular and charismatic as he is/was had just as much to do with it. I think it's foolish to claim that gigantic pop was mostly down to HHH losing.

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