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Old 12-06-2012, 04:52 PM   #10151 (permalink)
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You never know. The Moz went from main eventing WM27 to being in an afterthought, random tag match in WM28.
Miz wasn't champ for a year, though. Idk, I guess anything is possible, but I have a feeling Punk will get a high profile match @ Mania this year.
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Old 12-06-2012, 04:55 PM   #10152 (permalink)
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Miz didn't even deserve to be in a random multiman match at WM after his atrocious WM main event and terrible title reign.
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:00 PM   #10153 (permalink)
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Smarks have always been the same. Always complaining. I've read whatever is available from the message boards of the past and during the Attitude Era, they still have things to complain about. Including things that everyone nowadays longs for. But that doesn't mean 2012 is good all of a sudden. Unlike the past, this year deserves to get shitted on non-stop.

On a different note, I just finished watching Ricky Steamboat/Ric Flair from Chi Town Rumble 89. ****1/2. Absolutely awesome with a great crowd. Not gonna go full 5 stars because I need to watch a lot more old school wrestling to get used to this basic mat style where a Crossbody is considered "the big move".
Mad respect. Too many times have I seen individuals give big stars to old school matches simply because everybody else has done it as well. When I first started watching old-school NWA I didn't like it at all but I gave it great ratings anyways because if I never it would have been "strange" and would have made me a "ruthless agression era mark". Took me a damn long time to love the old school NWA style , and while I still prefer the WWE main event style as a whole, I've grown to adore alot of old school shit (mainly Flair, who I fully acknowledge as the GOAT by far).

Old school wrestling IMO is an acquired taste for those who didn't watch it during that time period. It REALLY grows on you though. When it comes to the WWF/WWE in general, I can unbiasedly say that I believe that the 2000s-Present produced more awesome matches that -1999, even though 1997 is the greatest year in wrestling history IMO.
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Oh yeah, another old school match that I've watched is Steamboat/Savage from Wrestlemania III and although I understand how special it was for its time, it doesn't do much for me since I started from the more modern stuff so it felt a bit tame in comparison. Still a ***1/2. I did enjoy Steamboat/Flair a lot, though. There are lengthy matches where I keep looking at the time of the video to see when it's over, I didn't need to do it for this one and that says a lot about it.
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:27 PM   #10156 (permalink)
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Their COTC 2/3 falls match is my 2nd GOAT Match

Speaking of Punk getting the "midcard" treatment after Mania ; I just don't see it happening, and it's not because I'm a huge Punk mark trust me.... When have you ever seen WWE pour this much money in merchandising and marketing into one superstar not named John Cena ? Besides Cena, Punk has more merchandise than any other Superstar in the company, and has been firmly entrenched as either option 1A or 2 in terms of generating revenue.

Punk gets a top 3 main event at Mania no doubt (hopefulyy THE main event with the Undertaker, HHH, or Cena) and is back into the title picture very, very soon. Imagine a title scene without Punk ATM, who the fuck would carry the WWE Championship ? After seeing people like MIZ tarnish the belt it finally feels relevant again with Punk holding it for so long. If Cena wins the belt (which he will) , The only person I could see feuding with him would be like.... Daniel Bryan or something.

Outside of Punk and Bryan (Who is almost a tweener at this point) , their heel roster is fucking HORRIBLE.
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I'd say Bryan is a face now that he isn't arguing with his tag team partner anymore and they're feuding with The Shield.
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WWE's top 4 heels outside of CM Punk :

- Alberto Del Rio
- Big Show
- Dolph Ziggler
- Wade Barrett

After Mania we probably won't have Rock, Brock, Trips, or Taker...... The face WWE champion will either be Cena or Ryback (he'll probably be WHC by then) , so the main feuds with Cena as champion would be something like this...

Cena vs Barrett
Cena vs Ziggler
Cena vs Del Rio
Cena vs Big Show

Fucking TERRIBLE. Now, if we had CM Punk as a heel world Champion we would have a TON of opportunities for new faces.

Punk vs Sheamus
Punk vs Orton
Punk vs Miz (Yeah I know)

Much better options.
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I'm actually kind of OK with not going to Mania next year because I'm almost certain that Rock/Cena II and Brock/Taker are a lock and I'm fine with that. I will be attending Mania 30 and as much as I'm busting to see Brock/Taker, Cena/Taker is the one I really want to see and I fully believe that match will take place then so I'm good.

As for Trips, I really don't know where he fits into things for 29 but it certainly isn't with Mark Henry. The fuck outta here with that shit. While he may not fit into the BIG matches this time, he deserves a little more hype than the Mizark with all due respect to Sexual Chocolate. I'm actually not even certain he'll have a match since he cut his hair and all and I had that marked as the point where he was officially going to stop competing. Confusing bastard lol. On a similar note, how fucking weird is he going to look coming out trying to look all badass without his badass trademark hair? Strange.
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Outside of Punk, Mcintyre, Henry and occasionally Big Show I don't even think there's another heel worker on the roster who can actually work an interesting control segment. Del Rio does a lot of creative stuff and it all moves along nicely in a 'psychology' manner, but fuck me does it ever drag and never grab me. Of course this isn't helped when he works guys who aren't as good at making their comeback a big deal, such as Orton. Cesaro has promise but he hasn't really had a long match yet where he can put together a proper control segment that isn't just a string of moves.

Its even worse in tag matches atm. The southern tag formula whilst formulaic is a brilliant style but between the matches barely getting time and none of the heels really exhibiting classic tag team heel tactics (illegally entering the ring, distracting the referee, choking the babyface with the tag rope, blindsiding the babyface on the apron) the matches just blend together into a really played out formula. I think there was one tag a couple of months back with Ziggler and Del Rio as the heels and they had to wait for Ziggler to get back into the ring from the outside just to do the dual tag spot with both babyface and heel coming into the ring off the apron.

I have no idea who I'd like Punk to face at Wrestlemania tbh. He has good chemistry with Taker when given the chance, but as much as I think of the guy I could just see WWE not doing enough booking wise to make a program with Taker feel as big as it should for 'The Streak'. Honestly would prefer he works Bryan if truth be told, especially if Bryan ends up going face and they build him up a bit.

Oh and put me down for the territories being a better style than the WWE Main Event style, though when done well WWE style is probably one of the only styles I can still appreciate in wrestling outside of FUTEN and classic Lucha. Flair/Steamboat is the definitive series in US wrestling for me, mainly because of the character dynamic between the respectful and humble Steamboat and the brash/cocky and world phenom Flair. Their chemistry is fluid and brilliant but its their ability to make the character dynamic a factor in almost every exchange that makes their matches that extra bit special for me. Every Steamboat transition either comes about through Flair's arrogance or Steamboat's tenacity and hardwork, and Flair manages to find a great balance between blatant short-cuts and just plain good wrestling to put over his talent.

Windham/Flair as a series isn't really that far behind though, and in many ways I can see the arguement for Windham being an even better babyface foil for Flair. He brought the speed and power as well as the immense young potential that created this beautiful story between the young phenom and the grizzled veteran looking to outsmart the potentially more talented foe.

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