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Old 02-29-2012, 05:39 PM   #91 (permalink)
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I really don't understand the hate for the iron man match with Hart and HBK. For you haters do you just not like Iron Matches? Something I would pay to see is an Angle/Bryan 60 minute Iron Man match.
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Old 02-29-2012, 05:40 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Sorry to get off the WrestleMania discussion but I just watched the Bret\HBK dvd again and it really is a great interview session. Even though they basically told me everything I already knew you still have to sit back and enjoy these two men sitting right next to one another exchanging there perspectives. Bret's imput was a lot more interesting as expected considering his book and how great his memory is. The fact that he can go into deep attention to detail about stories 20 years ago is just amazing. It shows the difference between being relatively sober and being HBK in the 90's. It also doesn't help that HBK has to say "YOU KNOW" five time in a sentence when trying to explain something. HBK was a better mic worker than Bret but when actually speaking in shoot interviews HBK is complete shit and Bret Hart is excellent.

So the main reason I came to this thread is to get your opinion on the Montreal match. I know this has been talked about to death but I'm not here to take anybodys side or anything like that. I just thought it was interesting when Bret talks about his conversations and relationship prior to the match. He claimed HBK was very disrespectful saying he wouldn't put him over and things along those lines. So it was obvious these two were not on the best terms and Bret even went up to Vince face to face telling him that he would put ANYBODY over besides HBK and even went into detail of why and told him the conversation he had in which HBK refused to put Bret over. Vince totally looked over this and didn't give a damn. He went with his original idea and told HBK that he was going to put the belt on him. Now to me this is where I have an issue. Was HBK really the ONLY option you had going over Bret? Really? I realize that Vince loved HBK and thought he was the best man for the belt and the best man to replace Bret at the time. I just don't understand why Vince couldn't put the belt temporarily on somebody else who was established like The Undertaker or ANYBODY but Shawn. That guy who doesn't have personal issues going on with HBK would have no issues with dropping the belt to HBK and there's no drama or Montreal Screwjob. Even though the Montreal Screwjob started the Vince Mcmahon heel character and did great things for WWE that doesn't take away the fact that Vince handled this whole situation about as poorly as you could and that's the reason he looked like a complete idiot at the end.

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I really don't understand the hate for the iron man match with Hart and HBK. For you haters do you just not like Iron Matches? Something I would pay to see is an Angle/Bryan 60 minute Iron Man match.
No. I think that the HHH/Rock match is pretty great just like Angle/Lesnar.

The Bret/HBK match feels just like a 60 minutes filler for the extra 5 minutes and is not even good filler just a bunch of restholds for the most part.

And i don't know what to think about a Angle/Bryan Iron Man, if Bryan leads Angle can be really good but is Kurt Angle, he will find a way to insert his bulshit
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Agreed about Lesnar/Angle....thats my fav iron man match ever...I bought the greatest stars of the 21st century dvd just because of that match and the Taker/Edge WM match
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Iron Man matches for the most part are all awesome (the ones that have aired on TV, never managed to watch the house show ones out there between the likes of Bret/Owen and Bret/Flair). Just HBK/Bret and Cena/Orton trying to bring the rest down .

Rude/Steamboat (30 minutes) in 92 is a tremendous fucking match.

Angle/Lesnar from 03 is one of my fav Iron Man matches.

HHH/Rock from 00 is incredible too. I was entertained for SIXTY MINUTES with a ROCK match. Now that's something!
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Hart vs HBK WM 12I have at ***3/4.It has some good mat wrestling but Bret completely no sells the arm Shawn spent working on the entire match.

HHH vs Rock I also have at ***3/4. There's no mat wrestling (not like I was expecting any in the first place given the two guys involved in the match) which isn't a problem tbh. This match was nothing but a 60miunute brawl and a good portion of it took place outside the ring. I would say though that the storytelling behind the falls was pretty good and it's the only WWE iron man match that kept me entertained the entire 60minutes.

Lesnar vs Angle is just overrated to me. i don't get the love for it at all.

Triple H vs Chris Benoit really blew as well IMO.

Honestly speaking, no WWE iron man match is more than ***3/4.

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Iron Man ratings:

Steamboat/Rude - ****1/2-****3/4
Dustin/Rude - Around... ***1/4 maybe

HBK/Bret - **1/2 or something
HHH/Rock - ****1/2
Brock/Angle - ****1/2
HHH/Benoit - ***3/4 (had potential to be really good but never really kicked off... just kinda went in one speed the entire hour)
Angle/HBK - ***1/4
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I loved Rude/Steamboat...wish they had got an hour....arguably the two best workers of all time....it's not an Iron Man match but one of my fav matches of all time is Sting/Flair at CotC

HHH/Rock was a great iron man match as well. What I think made that match (and would have made Hart/HBK so much better) is there were so many falls. My only problem with HHH/Rock is the ending. It's prob still a 4 star match though.
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Am I the only one or one of the few that prefers Benoit/HHH/HBK from Backlash over their Mania match? There's something bout the storytelling that I liked better in that one. The whole screwjob reenactment was insane.
At one point I felt the same way and thought the Rematch was better. But, the last time I watched the WM20 match I was blown away, haven't watched either in a couple years.
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Benoit/HHH/HBK II is good...really good...but I like the WM match better
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