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Old 09-12-2011, 10:12 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I've seen some pieces of Japanese wrestling, and I like the style. I've said it a million times, but just because I think wrestling should NEVER dictate a push, that doesn't mean I HATE it. People think I have some insane vendetta to shut down ring work, no. I like great matches. That doesn't mean who gets pushed should reflect that, that's all I've ever said.
A question, Pyro. You believe that wrestling shouldn't give you a push. Why? Isn't how the audience reacts what matters? Shouldn't you push the guys people care about? Benoit, Malenko, Mysterio, Hart, Michaels, Sammartino and Angle were pushed because people cared, and people cared because they can go in the ring. So yeah. What you do in the ring does matter.

p.s. Tyrion dies page 137 of a Dance with Dragons.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with many moves being hit sloppily or whatever. I think sloppiness makes wrestling look more realistic than people hitting every move picture perfect. Which is my problem with some workers. It looks rehearsed.

Unless you're hurting your opponent, I really don't give a crap. IMO, it's the selling and the psychology that make a match, not the moves performed in it.
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Old 09-12-2011, 11:10 PM   #22 (permalink)
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rock selling stunner
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Old 09-13-2011, 04:57 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I had to log in just to say these. I don't even care for Cena that much. You do realize that Cena is bending his opponents leg back behind him with all his body weight on him. I have had a friend put me in it and I couldn't even take the pain long enough to let him wrap his arms around my neck.

Fuck that it hurts
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Christians frog splash, just wrong, also not loving his spear.
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Ziggler's sleeper. It's just an over glorifiied rear chinlock that looks like he's hugging someone's head.
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Old 09-13-2011, 07:24 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Punk's GTS I agree with. Punk really isn't even a quarter of the worker that KENTA is, so it's not surprising.
Punk is a far better worker than KENTA and has been for some time. KENTA is very good when he's working as a plucky junior against the heavyweights but he's fucking terrible these days against other Juniors. Shit selling, shit structure, random strike exchanges and little character work. Punk is a better face and heel in the ring, sells better & paces and structures a match better.

Although you being a fan of Japanese wrestling does make me smile a little, simply because I didn't think you'd actually care for the style especially with the commentary (which I've never understood being a turn off for people but something I've come to expect). Have you seen mid 90s All Japan or have you just watched more or the post 2000 stuff from Japan?

On topic, Cena's STF, Punk's GTS on occasions, Orton's Thesz Press & Rock's sharpshooter are good candidates.

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Anything Alex Riley does
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Ortons powerslam it just doesn't have that impact when he does it.
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The Rock's spinebuster... It looks so weak and poorly done compared to other wrestlers.
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