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Was Austin heel turn at WM17 the most unexpected heel turn ever?

I am not asking whether it was good or bad for Austin or the WWE.But how unexpected was the heel turn?

For me,yes.It was a bigger shock than Hogan turning heel.

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I believe that turning Stone Cold heel lost the luster of his character.

He could no longer use his anti-hero persona, which was "heelish" to begin with, therefore making him a man without a persona.

Austin would become a shadow of his former self in the months to come, making a mockery of his character by doing segments where he looked like a buffoon (such as where he would suck up to Vince by playing the guitar or having Debra bake cookies, etc.)

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Why did Stone Cold's heel turn fail?
There are many reasons:

1) Contradictions

He used to be a no-fear, tough SOB who feared no one and now he was all of the sudden a coward who hugged Vince. (His biggest rival)


2) No Explanation

He said the night after Mania "The way I got it figured is I owe you NO EXPLANATION!" Good stuff there.



3) Extremely Popular


This is perhaps the biggest reason. Hogan in 96 had gotten booed for a couple of years and he NEEDED a turn. It worked.

Rock was booed due to Hollywood, he needed a switch. So it worked.

Austin...was missed and gone and still extremely over.

He could kill Santa and get cheered. SO it didn't, and Rock the #2 face (#1 with Austin heel) off to film the Scorpion King didn't help.


Ratings fell due to poor booking, not Steve's allignment change.

He produced several classic's and made me laugh weekly and it was shocking. Good things did come out of it but it just wasn't all it could've been for reasons mentiond above.
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Re: Was Austin heel turn at WM17 the most unexpected heel turn ever?

Nah...I think the Hogan one in 1996 and the Rock one in 1998 was more unexpected. There was alot of anger after those turns. Austin was doing shaky things during the match that were funny and Vince pulling the Rock off of Austin when he did the People's Elbow was already looking suspect. And there was no doubt that leading to WM 17 that the Rock was easily the #1 guy....he was wrestling all the main events and dark matches. Austin would do promos than matches during this timeframe.

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Re: Was Austin heel turn at WM17 the most unexpected heel turn ever?

In my opinion the answer would be no and if i am honest i don't even think it was even the most unexpected heel turn of 2001 either as no one saw The Undertaker turning heel on the first Raw after Survivor Series did they. After Hulk Hogan turning heel in 1996 i came to the thinking that all HUGE names in the wrestling business will turn heel at some point because it is needed for business and whilst i didn't see Stone Cold Steve Austin turning at WrestleMania 17 and joining Vince McMahon i always knew that the heel turn would involve The Rock as it wouldn't have worked with anyone else.

With The Undertaker though it really was much more of a shock because he had been an uber face since returning a year earlier and had feuded with people alligned with Vince McMahon quite a lot that previous year before being more or less the leader of WWE against The Alliance before The Rock returned. For me The Undertaker turning heel was much more of a shocking moment than Stone Cold Steve Austin's heel turn but neither would beat Hulk Hogan at Bash at the Beach which shocked the world and changed the whole wrestling industry.

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Re: Was Austin heel turn at WM17 the most unexpected heel turn ever?

Most unexpected? Oh hell yeah. Greatest? Oh hell no.
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Re: Was Austin heel turn at WM17 the most unexpected heel turn ever?

It was definitely expected. I remember going back and reading all the 2001 Torch archives a few years ago and many people thought Austin was going to turn heel at Mania.

I thought his heel turn sucked for two reasons.

1) His FACE character was just so strong and stubborn. He would do anything (even cheat) to get what he wanted and was cheered for it. Being a coward was simply not in the cards for Austin's character after damn near 4 years of being such a badass.

2) His turn wasn't explained too well. Austin did it for the title, that's why he aligned with Vince. They should have better explained why he acted like a coward though. Maybe explain that he was afraid he would hurt his neck again or something like that.

All in all I was glad for Austin to turn to a face again, even though his career never rebounded from it. There are several times an audible should have been called in the ring at a WrestleMania and this is without a doubt one of the biggest ones.
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Re: Was Austin heel turn at WM17 the most unexpected heel turn ever?

No, Hogan and 1996 was more unexpected. Also like someone else said it may not have been the most unexpected turn of 2001, the Undertaker turning after Survivor Series shocked the hell out of me and too my surprise it worked.
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Re: Was Austin heel turn at WM17 the most unexpected heel turn ever?

Yes, it was shocking only because it was really stupid. It was the end of the Attitude Era. WCW was purchased the week before and WWE creative would never be the same. I still feel Austin would not have turned heel if WCW was still around.

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Re: Was Austin heel turn at WM17 the most unexpected heel turn ever?

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Yes, it was shocking only because it was really stupid. It was the end of the Attitude Era. WCW was purchased the week before and WWE creative would never be the same. I still feel Austin would not have turned heel if WCW was still around.
WCW has nothing to do with it. The main reason why Austin turned was to take Rock's place, who was due for the win and heel turn and forming Two-Man Power Trip with Triple H, This didn't happen due to the Rock taking time off to film Scorpion King.
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Re: Was Austin heel turn at WM17 the most unexpected heel turn ever?

Nope. Dirtsheets were predicting as far back as November 2000. Mostly because Rocky seemed to shadow him and the character felt a little stale to some. But it was surprising to see them actually book it, especially in his home state.

Bad move in hindsight.
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Re: Was Austin heel turn at WM17 the most unexpected heel turn ever?

First of all, I'm confused by the OP. Who are you quoting? The quotes that you have don't seem to back up either an argument about the heel turn either way. They just say things. One minute they're saying that the turn didn't work because of the contradictions and the next line they're praising his refusal to give a reason for the turn.

Secondly, the turn was rubbish. They took the most popular and successful character in wrestling history and turned him into a cowardly, snivelling, comedy suck up who loved his former arch nemesis in a pathetic, unfunny, juvenile and unrealsitic way. Austin was supposed to be a raw, uncomprosmising heel. They turned him into a puss. His star credentials bombed by 2002. It ruined his gimmick and appeal for absolutely no reason. So yeah; it was unexpected - but only because it would take a serious fucking moron to think that it was a good idea to sacrifice their cash cow.

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