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Which Evolution Star became Bigger?

  • Batista

    Votes: 94 62.7%
  • Randy Orton

    Votes: 56 37.3%
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Which Evolution Star became Bigger?

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#1 ·
Two former world champions from the Evolution.
Choose one.
 
#34 ·
Its funny because originally Orton was the one they wanted to push in 04 but then they made HHH squash him(for no reason) and as a backup plan they chose Batista who, at the time was the most over guy in the company but yet again, despite the fact he beat HHH in their fued HE then for no reason was traded to the B show and his star power began to drop while Cena's gotten even higher. Now 6 years after his intial push and all the failed pushes in between Orton is finally starting to get over. Batista is clearly the bigger star.
 
#40 ·
Batista, absolutely, and it's not even a question.

Truly remarkable how it happened, though. Just proves that you really don't need talent to get over. Orton has more talent than Batista in absolutely every single category, but Batista got over. Simple as that.
 
#46 ·
I hate to admit it, but it's Batista.
I don't like him, never have, and I adore Orton but Batista to this point is the bigger star.
Interesting really, considering Orton is more talented in absolutely every facet of wrestling, but that's how it goes I guess.
That's not to say Orton can't get there, he is only 30...
 
#47 ·
1. Orton was never really given the ball, they kept having HHH squash him at his biggest moments. Even his 1st face run had potential, but he was squashed immediately,and despite the fact that he was over, many wrote it off as a failure

2. Batista is the biggest as far as within WWE, but Orton's just as big outside it. People who know who Batista is tend to also know who Randy Orton is. So as far as household names(they both are barely household names) they are equal. Though apparently Batista draws more, even though he had much more help than Orton has now.
 
#51 ·
Not only is Batista much bigger, he's even had better matches. Orton may be the better wrestler but Batista delivered more big time matches in his career. I think Batista had better match with all the common big name opponents compared to Orton. I would say Edge and HBK were a tossup when comparing Orton and Batista's matches with both. Batista had far superior matches with Taker,Cena and HHH compared to Orton.
 
#56 ·
i wouldnt even call orton the better wrestler to be honest,he's slimmer and quicker yes but there is nothing stand out in orton's ability that id say he's any better than batista.
agreed batista's matches overrall were far better than ortons.
 
#52 ·
Batista. He was HUGE draw and attraction 2005-2007. Orton will never come even close to that.
 
#55 ·
Definitely Botchtista.
 
#60 ·
Sadly, Batista - he was constantly in the main event and was inexplicably popular. I struggle to understand why. Fair enough, he looked good and his character was credible. Unfortunatley, all of his matches were dreadful. His wrestling style never appealled to me. I always thought he was overrated and undeserving of his spot. I guess WWE needed a monster after Lesnar left.

The way that people talk about Batista on this forum makes me wonder of I'm missing something. Tonight I'll go back and watch some his biggest matches / most talked about matches and see if I can find some redeemable quality that I'd overlooked previously. To me he was just a jacked up, toned down, 21st Century Ultimate Warrior.
 
#61 · (Edited)
Sadly, Batista - he was constantly in the main event and was inexplicably popular. I struggle to understand why. Fair enough, he looked good and his character was credible. Unfortunatley, all of his matches were dreadful. His wrestling style never appealled to me. I always thought he was overrated and undeserving of his spot. I guess WWE needed a monster after Lesnar left.

The way that people talk about Batista on this forum makes me wonder of I'm missing something. Tonight I'll go back and watch some his biggest matches / most talked about matches and see if I can find some redeemable quality that I'd overlooked previously. To me he was just a jacked up, toned down, 21st Century Ultimate Warrior.
You can't say with that any semblance of objectivity.

Batista vs. Christian - Raw 2005
Batista vs. Triple H - Vengeance 2005
Batista vs. JBL - Summerslam 2005
Batista vs. Eddie Guerrero - No Mercy 2005
Batista vs. Undertaker - Wrestlemania 23, Backlash 2007, Smackdown 2007, Cyber Sunday 2007, Survivor Series 2007
Batista vs. Edge - Vengeance 2007, Night of Champions 2008
Batista vs. Shawn Michaels - Backlash 2008, One Night Stand 2008
Batista vs. Cena - Summerslam 2008, Wrestlemania 26, Extreme Rules 2010, Over The Limit 2010
Batista vs. MVP - Smackdown Series (most notably the No DQ match)
Batista vs. Kane - Smackdown 2007, Last Man Standing 2007
Batista vs. Randy Orton - Armageddon 2008
Batista vs. Chris Jericho - Raw 2008 (in May I think), Cyber Sunday 2008
Batista vs. CM Punk - Great American Bash 2008, Raw 2008

A mixture of good and great matches. He has even more when taking into account tag matches or with more than two men involved. And if you want matches with lesser known stars at the time, check out his work with Dolph, Ted Dibiase, Morrison, Burke etc. He even gave those men pretty good matches although they were short (looking around 8 - 10 minutes).

Batista is far from being dreadful in the ring. For a big man, he was good, and in 2007 especially, he was great. If anything, his age and size worked against him because you can see him slowing down throughout 2008 quite noticeably.

The most important part of becoming a star is charisma/presence. Batista screamed "big-time" in 2005. Since then, he improved in the ring, on the mic, and as a pro-wrestler overall.

If I was to compare Orton and Batista's talents, I'd give Batista every category except for in-ring skills. He's far more charismatic, has much more of a presence, is a bigger draw, was a better/bigger face, and he proved he can be a great heel too. On the subject of in-ring skills, I'd say Batista has many more memorable matches to his career than Randy Orton. That may be partly due to the fact he was a much bigger star though.
 
#62 ·
haha i cant believe orton is actually getting some votes? i mean batista is obviously the bigger star. orton has been pushed down our throats and people still dont like him. all it took for batista to get huge was a win against triple h and then boom....superstardom
 
#64 ·
Since both men's time in Evolution to now... it would be Batista. He and Cena were like he said, "the two biggest stars since the Attitude Era". To be fair though, while Cena and Batista were the two biggest stars of this era, Orton is only a rung below them. At the rate Orton is going with the reactions he receives from the live crowds, and seeing as Orton signed that 10 year deal with WWE last year or in 2009...Orton will probably end up being the bigger star when it's all said and done.
 
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