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Batista 94 62.67%
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Old 02-10-2011, 04:22 PM   #71 (permalink)
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i voted for randy but i would say Batista.

So this is how Orton got so many votes

Batista>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rand Orton

Not even close
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Old 02-10-2011, 04:29 PM   #72 (permalink)
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I would give the vote to Batista. In a few years it could be Orton, but Batista wins this right now.
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Old 02-10-2011, 04:32 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Well Batista at times has been bigger than cena, which makes him signifigantly more popular
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Batista is the bigger star. He headlined so many PPVs and both shows he was on that it was getting me annoyed. I can't forget all those countless title shots he kept on getting too. I kinda miss Batista now and thats only because his heel persona last year was entertaining. Orton is gaining huge popularity right now but his face act is not as great as his heel act. So Orton still needs some more time to get up there.
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*Looks at all his opponents...
Doesn't work.

The only person on that list who could have a good match with pretty much anybody is Eddie Guerrero. It speaks to his ability that he was able to carry the 2005 Batista to such a good match.

But Shawn Michaels doesn't tear up the house no matter who the opponent, nor does Undertaker, nor does Triple H. They've had plenty of stinkers, even with good opponents. And I think it's quite the insult to try and insinuate Kane is a better wrestler than Batista in 2007. Kane was great back in the day. But he's been a shell of his former self since several years back. As for JBL and MVP, they've never been better than Batista in the ring.

Or to put it another term, Batista/Kane Last Man Standing is better than any recent Taker/Kane match. Batista/Triple H at Vengeance 2005 inside Hell In A Cell is a far better Hell In A Cell match than the ones that came after it. Batista/MVP is better than MVP/Orton or MVP/Matt Hardy. Batista/Mark Henry on Smackdown was better than Undertaker/Henry on PPV. Batista/Ted Dibiase was better than Cena/Ted Dibiase or Orton/Ted Dibiase. Batista/Edge from 2005 sucked, yet Batista/Edge from 2007/2008 were some good/great matches (because Batista had improved so much). I could come up with several more comparisons too.

Chemistry and match quality isn't determined by one superstar. As already said by another poster, it takes two to tango. Batista was good pro-wrestler for a big man. Undertaker has worked with many superstars in his career. His work with Batista is close to being his best. That didn't happen off Undertaker's back alone.

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Batista was no Shelton Benjamin, but he had great ring psychology and intensity that carried his matches.
Ironically two things which for the most part Benjamin lacked as a singles performer. It's no coincidence that almost all of Benjamin's best matches, save for against Orton in 2004, who's always had a precocious grasp of psychology himself, have been against battle-hardened veterans who knew a great deal about in-ring psychology.

As for the question itself, this isn't even arguable. It speaks volumes to how one man organically rose to the top within the timeframe of a few mere months and was at the very least the #2 man in the company throughout his entire run, drawing major gates, buyrates, ratings and being the spearhead of WWE's international marketing and in many ways their top international star until a couple years ago or so, and and the other, after one extremely hard push after another after another, has yet to actually impact much of anything yet, though I will say he's become a solid sidekick to Cena on Raw in the past year or so as a face.

Orton has, I think, another nine years of a contract with WWE as of now, so he's got a long, long way to go, but despite the fact that he'll doubtless be considered a "legend" in only a few years and he's currently one of their three biggest draws with so many guys out of action amidst their pushing of numerous young guys to the top, it's unlikely that he'll ever reach the levels Batista did (and sustained) in his run. Probably the best thing that could happen for Orton is the continuation of pushes/completion of establishing of guys like Punk, Miz, and a host of others, who offer fresh match-ups for him (and Cena), but at the same time I can also see at least a couple of these guys become bigger stars than Orton himself and supplant his #2 spot.

It also speaks volumes that Vince McMahon in his latest quarterly report brings Orton up as possibly the "next Cena" alongside names such as The Miz and Alberto Del Rio. I'd say that's a huge compliment for Miz and Del Rio, who are in their virginal main event pushes, but while Orton's only 30 years old, he's also been either at or just beneath the main event tier for years and years now, and he's still being spoken of as a young star potentially rising up to rival Cena. Orton has star value, particularly since turning face, he's a sound asset and he's absolutely a vital and important piece of the WWE puzzle right now, but he's where he is right now mainly because of departures and pending retirements of guys who are already part-time workers in the next couple of years, and if somebody like, say, Punk or Miz or Del Rio, catches on strongly, especially once they've turned face, I can see them or someone else becoming WWE's new #2 guy behind Cena.

It's clear that Vince isn't satisfied with Orton's performance up to date in his spot, as gates went down along with buyrates while Orton was headlining Raw as a face, meaning that if he were to ever substantially change WWE's figures, he'd probably have done so in the last year as a red-hot, newly-turned babyface and it just didn't happen. I suspect they'll stick with Orton as a face for a good while because from an artistic standpoint he had kind of exhausted his heel run by about a year ago now, and a significant number of fans had been wanting him to cheer him for a long time before then, but it's very likely that one of the current "Youth Movement" heels will be turned face once they've established and/or exahusted themselves as a heel to find the "next Cena" as Vince said. This truly is a transitional time period, and Vince knows exactly what he's looking forward to in the near future, with Wrestlemania XXVII being in his words the actual launch date of a number of "new talents."
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Objectively, Orton has really only been on the level of guys like Edge and Chris Jericho. Accruing short transitional title reigns and jobbing to bigger stars.
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Old 02-10-2011, 06:22 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Default Re: Which Evolution Star became Bigger?

Batista. Never a big fan, but Batista was one of the top guys for a long time, Randy just came into his own in '09.

To put is simply, Batista was at a level that Randy has yet to reach, both in terms of star power and charisma.
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Old 02-10-2011, 06:38 PM   #79 (permalink)
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I don't think it's fair to say who became the bigger star, Orton is still young and may have a lot more to offer in his career. When Orton retires then you can say.
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Old 02-10-2011, 08:58 PM   #80 (permalink)
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