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I will soon enough. In year 12 w/ homework, but I have some time to watch some today.

Am I the only one that couldn't really get into Flair/Windham Beach Blast '93? I was kind of disappointed. The crowd had little to no life and Flair and Windham's chemistry in 93 didn't hold up as well as Flair and Steamboat in 94.
1993 really wasn't a great year for Flair. Or a lot of WCW, for that matter. They had all time great match-ups, but little actually delivered as hoped. Flair/Rude, Flair/Windham, Arn/Windham, Arn/Regal, Dustin/Rude, etc. etc. on paper look like potential classics but didn't click as well a they had in the past/should have.

Righty o, I'll rip and upload the 2 Eddie/Malenko House Show matches and Regal/Malenko too :). I shall do it in the morning, since if I started em now they wouldn't upload in time for me getting to bed :p.
Aw man you're awesome. *:mark: smiley again*
 
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Righty o, I'll rip and upload the 2 Eddie/Malenko House Show matches and Regal/Malenko too :). I shall do it in the morning, since if I started em now they wouldn't upload in time for me getting to bed :p.

EDIT: You know something, I've still to see that match Clique. Its something I'll watch for the poll, but I've never heard anything that great about it so I ain't expecting a ***** classic like some of their previous bouts.
 
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Saw a mention of Hogan earlier - I'm a big fan of his, do not think he has a ton of GREAT matches but I found myself enjoying the majority of them. He's not someone I can necessarily hate as he played his character to perfection and at the right moment the Hulking up was pretty cool.
 
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worthless multi-quoting away~



I agree with that. I used to be a lot higher on him but I'm still a fan. His promos and segments in 1996 are brederline my favourite in wrestling history.

He's a great crowd worker and by a default a terrific babyface worker just by how over he was. He didn't have the selling or bumping ability of a Morton/Steamboat/Mysterio but the fact he was over than all 3 combined meant at times he was just as an effective babyface worker as the rest of them despite me preferring Morton/Steamboat/Mysterio infinently more.
I'd say he definitely was a good seller, I mean not always physically (and his bumping is generally nothing), but he had a ton of goood facial selling and could get sympathy on par with just about anyone ever.


Nice to see you gave that match a very solid rating as the blading Eddie took in that match was absolutely brutal. Classic match and it wasn't even there best match together. I believe there WWE Championship in a Steel Cage Match on Smackdown was a near 5 star battle. Underrated rivalry in general and people seem to forget that it started one of the greatest if not THE greatest title reigns in the history of WWE.
Never loved that cage. It's good, but I thought Judgment Day smoked the everloving motherfucking bloodyheaded crap out of it.

I've yet to see their other matches tbh. I may do somewhen.

Do you guys ever archive any of your work? I'd always thought it would be shame if you would lose all your work if this site ever goes down. I thrown it all into a blog and organized well (Damn you OCD).
I've lost a ton of shit over the years but yeah i stuff everything in my blog (LINK. BELOW. SIG. BLOG. PLUG. BLOG. BLOG.) I hardly consider it work, since I could watch any match at any time and wrote about whatever (since 9999/10000 times I go from memory), but yeah it's a good thing so if someone asks "what'd you think of ___ vs. ___?" I can pop that out of my arse.
 
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He's a great crowd worker and by a default a terrific babyface worker just by how over he was. He didn't have the selling or bumping ability of a Morton/Steamboat/Mysterio but the fact he was over than all 3 combined meant at times he was just as an effective babyface worker as the rest of them despite me preferring Morton/Steamboat/Mysterio infinently more.

The Flair matches are just terrific though, can not overstate that enough. Between the crowd, Flair's reactions to the Hulking up, Sherri being amazing for a woman and manager and Heenan on commentary there is nothing you can find fault with.

Anyways with any luck I'll get through enough matches to have a prelimenary top 100 ballot for the WCW poll, if I have enough time to find the dates for matches I might post the prelimenary ballot here, obviously in spoiler tags though to prevent page stretching.
 
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Steven Regal vs. Rey Mysterio Jr. - Nitro 10/02/1997

Hmmm... could be good!

Rey gets Regal in an arm lock at the beginning of the match, and Regal just shakes his head in disapproval and counters it into his own then mocks the front row for cheering someone so pitiful lol.

Rey continues to find openings where he can put Regal in a hold, but Regal continues to shake his head in disapproval before countering it into something of his own. They Rey starts jumping around off the ropes and Regal looks very concerned for a moment until he starts to throw out some awesome strikes... while continuing to antagonise the crowd, and 2 guys in particular in the front row lol.

:lmao every fucking time Regal takes Rey down he fucking taunts those two cunts in the front row and its awesome. Regal then getting down on his knees holding his heart and crying like he was heartbroken because Rey was hurting was just... I dunno, one of the greatest things ever. Until Rey comes back with some more high flying shizzle to send Regal outside and unfortunately just piss him off more than anything.

Finishing stretch is fucking awesome with Rey jumping around flipping Regal all over the place and getting a ton of near falls, until the bell finally rings with one of them and Regal looks fucking terrified that he's lost... but it's just the time limit :D.

Yeah, this is fucking fun. Good match too. Shame there is just a 10 minute time limit for the TV title these days unlike the 30 minutes I think it was back in 1993. But ah well, Regal might be the KING of 10 minute matches atm.

Rating: ***


Steven Regal vs. Prince Iaukea - Spring Stampede 06/04/1997

Well, somewhere between the Rey match and this, Regal loses the belt to Iaukea. And it's not on this set. Ok lol.

Damn, Regal gets some awesome heat. Why they never did anything else with him is beyond me. Then again, WCW just wasn't the place for him to really enter the main event scene. Would have loved for Regal to some to WWF in 1997 with the Lord Steven Regal gimmick and wrestle the exact same. Could have easily become a top IC champ for the time and maybe main event a PPV for the WWF Title somewhere down the line.

Iaukea is young and the champion, who has already beaten Regal to win the belt, so he's confident as fuck and does a good job of controlling Regal early on and making him look like a fool until Regal can't take any more and starts to beat the shit out of this young kid lol.

Regal is the smart veteran in the match, who keeps stalling for time when Iaukea starts to get on a roll, then smashes the poor kid in the face whenever he gets the chance :p.

Finish comes out of nowhere but is perfect given the dynamic of the match and the people in it. They then brawl after the match and Regal beats the fuck out of Iaukea, though Iaukea gets some shots in too before being put down for good. The way Regal attacks him with the belt in the Regal Stretch position and the way he applies the Regal Stretch is fucking brutal.

Another damn good match from Regal. Has a chance of making my list.

Rating: ***1/4
 
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Eddie/Malenko series from ECW is seriously fantastic, guys. And I mean FANTASTIC! Their WCW bouts? Not so much.
 
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Steven Regal vs. Ultimo Dragon - Slamboree 18/05/1997

Regal no longer wants to be called a Lord any more. The reason? Something that makes no sense tbh lol. Anyways... Ultimo Dragon is now the TV champ and Regal wants it back regardless of who holds it.

Usually I write shit as I watch matches, but this time I was way too into the damn thing to bother typing anything lol. Incredible shit. Back and forth the entire time, with some really great counters and exchanges, high flying shit and stiff strikes from both men. Plenty of time for the match too, which is just awesome. Both men are technically heels going into the match as well but as we get towards the end Regal is getting some huge babyface reactions and chants just because they hate Sunny Ono that much and anyone who he manages :p. Then Ono kicks his own guy in the head and Regal is able to pick up the win and is once again the heel :p.

This bad boy is on my list, most likely top 50.

Rating: ****
 
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Nitro 5/1/2000

So we open the show with out new WCW Champion being told by his wife that he isn't a wrestler. Courtney Cox is not pleased with him being the champion to say the least. Actually I don't think anyone is happy with Arquette as the champion.

We go live and see DDP, Kanyon and Arquette arriving. They get into a big brawl with the New Blood and Hogan makes his way into the building and joins the fight.


Hardcore Match:
Crowbar vs. Norman Smiley and Mystery Partner

The mystery partner was a guy dressed up like a local team's mascot. Crowbar got his giant head stuck between the ropes. It was rather hilarious actually. The match itself wasn't very good but it was hilarious with the totally useless partner that Norman had.
*1/2

Stasiak is on the air and literally does the old Mr. Perfect segmentt where he shows how perfect he is by playing basketball...


David Arquette, DDP, and Kanyon come to the ring and Arquette says that he wants to vacate the title and make it DDP/Kanyon like it was supposed to be all along. The New Blood has a problem with this and they make their way to the ring. Bischoff decides that they are going to put Arquette in the Triple Cage and make it a Triple Threat along with Double J and DDP. Bischoff puts Arquette in a match against Tank Abbott. Abbott comes to the ring and everyone gets in a big fight. Also at some point during all of this Luger runs out and tries to take Elizabeth back from Russo. After the big fight that gets broken up Abbott challenges DDP under the condition that if he wins he gets a match right after it against Arquette. Solid segment that sets the PPV main event in stone and makes a big match for tonight (even though the match won't be very good).

We come back and Stasiak is still shooting free throws...

Bischoff puts Hugh Morris in a triple threat match against Jarrett and Steiner. He says if any of the other misfits get involved he's going to fire them all.


Tables Match:

The Wall vs. Horace Hogan

Horace is kicking ass until Kidman runs in and distracts him so the Wall can send him through a table. It was a pretty average brawl for a couple of minutes before Kidman got involved. Pretty unspectacular table spot as well.
3/4*


Hogan runs out to stop the beatdown on Horace, Mike Awesome comes out and makes it 3 on 1. Even Hogan can't overcome those odds and gets sent through a table.

Very odd promo from Vampiro in what appears to be a grave yard. He doesn't really say anything of value in it but it looks kind of creepy. He tells to Sting to meet him in the grave yard.

Russo comes out with Elizabeth. Him and two rather weak looking security guards call out Lex Luger and challenge him to a match? Did he seriously just do that?


Scott Steiner vs. Jeff Jarrett vs. Hugh Morris

Steiner and Jarrett just beat the shit out Hugh Morris until they start to fight and argue about who's going to get the pinfall. Makes me wonder why Bischoff didn't just make this a handicap match since he would want Steiner and Jarrett to be on the same page. After a few minutes Jarrett hits Steiner with the guitar and leaves, allowing Morris to get the win. At least they made their point.
*


Bischoff is pissed at what happens and fires all of the Misfits in Action.


Grave Yard Match:

Sting vs. Vampiro

Really odd segment with them chasing each other around a graveyard in the dark. Vampiro jumps Sting from behind and hit him over and over with a shovel. He throws Sting into an open grave right after he tells Sting that he is the monster that Sting should have been. This was really dark and hard to see. Also it reminded me of a weird scene you would see in a horror movie.
No Rating



Diamond Dallas Page vs. Tank Abbott


They have a wild and crazy brawl for a minute before Jarrett comes through the crowd and hits Page with a bottle for a KO. So now Arquette has to wrestle Abbott. This was actually fun for the minute or two that it lasted.
1/2*


Hulk Hogan and Mike Awesome are brawling backstage. Hogan is still angry.

Billy Kidman comes out for a promo. I really want to just punch him in the face when he's talking. He's so annoying. I guess that's a good thing though. Kidman issues and open challenge and Kevin Nash accepts. Nash walks to the ring and just beats the hell out of Kidman until Rey Mysrerio and Konan make their return to WCW. But this is WCW so Nash beats the shit out of all of them and they all run away. Why the fuck would WCW have them debut just to get squashed by Nash? Stupid booking. Also :lmao at Mysterio playing a heel.


Vince Russo w/Elizabeth vs. Lex Luger


Luger and Flair get jumped by Bagwell and Douglas plus about 15 security guards. They mace Luger, handcuff him, and beat the shit out of him. Liz hits Russo with the belts and escapes from Russo.
No Rating

Kronix shows up and sloppily beats up all the security guards until the police show up and arrest them.

After the commercial break Nash is still beating up Rey and Konan. We also see Luger and Kronic getting arrested. Oh and David Arquette is really worried about his match with Tank Abbott.

Vampiro comes out and talks about how evil he is. Sting comes back from the graveyard and beats up Vampiro with a bat. I liked the segment. Vampiro is turning Sting into a monster and we have just seen Sting come closer and closer to totally losing it. Really looking forward to their PPV match. Just hoping they stay away from the weird graveyard brawl and make it more of a hate filled match.

Stasiak is still shooting free throws. Russo is mad at Elizabeth. Not really anything else to add to those segments in all honesty.


Tank Abbott vs. David Arquette w/Chris Kanyon

Kanyon is immediatley ejected for bringing brass knucks to the ring; Great plan he had there. Abbott toys with the World Champion for a little bit before hitting him with a suplex. DDP comes back from the hospital, hits Abbott with a Diamond Cutter and wins the match for Arquette. Not really a match at all.
No Rating


After the commercial Stasiak is still shooting free throws... Henig finally jumps him when according to Stasiak he was only one free throw away from the world record (which is like 5,200 according to the announce crew).


Hulk Hogan vs. Mike Awesome

Hogan might have had the best character in WCW at this time. He had gone away from the classic Hogan character as he was portraying himself in a much darker way. He was everything that the Millionaire's Club stood for and he was so furious with the New Blood. The match was a really old school brawl. Without all these crazy hardcore spots they still managed to convince me that they hated each other. It's really a shame that the Awesome/Hogan feud played second string to Hogan/Kidman because Awesome and Hogan have great chemistry. I think a lot of it has to do with Awesome's size. Hogan just isn't willing to sell for Kidman like he is for Awesome. Kidman obviously gets involved in the match as well as Bischoff. They use their numbers and weapons to get the win. For 6 or 7 minutes before the interference this was really good. For what it's worth this was the best match of the night...
**1/4


Hogan is up after the match and is still fighting, but the blood from the ceiling is poured on him and Nitro goes off the air with the New Blood standing over him.

This was not a good Nitro. The non-wrestling segments were anything all that great and the wrestling quality was just bad. It would be shockingly bad if it wasn't for Hogan and Awesome. WCW was building up some momentum but I really feel that they took a step backwards with this show.
 
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WWE Judgement Day 2004
Eddie Guerrero vs JBL
Easily the bloodiest WWE match of all time. It even makes The Muta Scale match look like a slight graze. Eddie is defending his title against the racist villain who was previously known as Bradshaw. Cole said it right when he said not a soul was booing Guerrero. Everyone wanted to see the hero triumph over the evil villain. Oooh, how old school. This whole match has an old school feel about it. It's your typical 80's brawl with some headlocks though in. One of the most memorable elements about this match is Eddie's bladejob in this. He pisses out blood and it stains most of the ring. That memorable element also pulls this match down a few points. You see, Eddie loses so much blood that he can barely stand and it seems very likely that they had to improvise a disqualification finish. The finish seemed cheap and thought of in seconds, and most probably was.
**** - ****1/4
 
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Nice to see you gave that match a very solid rating as the blading Eddie took in that match was absolutely brutal. Classic match and it wasn't even there best match together. I believe there WWE Championship in a Steel Cage Match on Smackdown was a near 5 star battle. Underrated rivalry in general and people seem to forget that it started one of the greatest if not THE greatest title reigns in the history of WWE.
 
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I post some stuff on my blog, but that's mainly for videos so I post random stuff every now and then so I don't spam it with text and push the videos about 10 pages back :p. Plus I post on another forum which isn't likely to just die, and a lot of stuff I write in word/notepad on my PC and save anyway.
 
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Anyone over the age of 10 will be curious enough to look into that. If that's even more than a just quick screenshot on the actual documentary.
 
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I personally think the documentary is pretty crappy overall but others seem to like it more than me. Skips out WAY too much of his career and they stick in bits of the "Randy Orton Experience" instead (thank fuck the entire thing wasn't the Randy Orton Experience lol... that Cena DVD was fucking terrible). Plus his whole "journey" from being a dick to maturing and shit isn't as interesting as I thought it would be. Its basically "I was a dick. I did all this stuff. Then I had a daughter and stopped being a dick.". Match listing isn't great either, but with no Benoit allowed they has to miss out a handful of his best matches ever.
 
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