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Old 08-20-2010, 07:19 PM   #41 (permalink)
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All this Rikidozan talk reminds me this section needs some more The Destroyer love.
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All this Rikidozan talk reminds me this section needs some more The Destroyer love.
Everything needs more The Destroyer love.

I'm starting to watch some 2010 matches, so I have to get caught up.

Christian vs. William Regal [1/14/10 - Superstars] ***
This was a great TV match. They were given a nice amount of time to work over their opponent and hit their spots. Sometimes it's frustrating watching WWE TV as when there are some really great workers in the ring busting their ass, the audience seems to be sitting on their hands. I have to say, I marked for the half nelson suplex by Regal.
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Wrestlemania XIX - Singles Match for the WWE Championship - Kurt Angle (c) vs. Brock Lesnar

This feud had some of the seeds planted months even before the Royal Rumble at Armageddon when Lesnar helped Angle beat the Big Show to win the WWE Championship. At the Royal Rumble, Lesnar won the said match and Angle retained his title in a great match against Chris Benoit. At No Way Out Lesnar and Benoit were able to top Team Angle in a 3 on 2 handicap match. Lesnar then earned himself a title shot on a Smackdown episode before WM, which saw Angle retain after he switched with his brother Eric and then hit a surprising Angle Slam late. Smackdown GM Stephanie McMahon promised Angle that there would be a rematch at WM 19, and if Benjamin, Haas, or his brother interfered that he would be stripped of his title, and that is where we are now.

We get some solid chain wrestling between the two men to start off the match, which isn't out of the ordinary since both men are the two most accomplished amateur wrestlers to ever step inside of a WWE ring. Once they get done with that Angle goes on the offense and is out to prove that he doesn't need anyone to help him keep his title and that he can be the one that can shut down the monster that is Lesnar. You get your usual suplex happy Angle, although these are used more effectively then in a normal Angle match. He throws about three or four Germans in a row, which not only kills Lesnars energy, but also just kinda rubs it in saying that he's so great that he can hit as many suplexes as he wants.

However, the one thing that always seems to happen in every single big Angle match is the Ankle Lock spot. No work on even the leg beforehand, yet Angle goes right in and locks it in for a few seconds until Lesnar grabs the bottom rope. I mean, I know the move can 'appear from out of no where' but it'd be nice if he would actually, oh I don't know, WORK on the Ankle a tad beforehand. Stomp on it. Whip it into the ring posts. Stand on it. Put it on the bottom rope and sit on it. Something that puts a little bit of pain in Lesnar's leg before just randomly locking it on. Poor ring psychology from Angle there, as it always seems to be.

I understand why Lesnar went for the SSP, it's WM, he can't put away Angle with the F-5, he needs one big blow to finish him off, but you could tell right away that he misjudged the length and that it wasn't gonna end well. It still provided a memorable moment, no doubt, it slightly impacts the match quality. I'm amazed that he still had the strength to lift Angle up and hit the F-5 not even a minute after almost breaking his neck. Obviously they altered the finish a bit and just finished the match off after Lesnar almost broke his neck, but I don't really have a problem with it.

Overall, it was a pretty good main event to close out what many believe is the best WM ever. It's debateable, but these two did put up a quality matchup, but nothing that would make you stand up and go wild, except for the crazy finish. Again, great ME, but not really compareable to some of the best. Oh, and there's two little facts that I kinda figured out on my own during my time watching this match. 1) This was the first WM ME post Brand Extension when the titles were split, and 2) This would be the last time SD ME WM until 24 when Edge and the Undertaker went at it.

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Not sure if anyone's been paying attention to Smackdown!, but Christian has had a sudden resurgence in the past month or so. Not that he was bad during the rest of the year, but he's had chances to work longer matches centered around selling his arm, which means he's back to looking like the best worker in the company, whereas the rest of the year he's looked about third best (behind Rey/Punk). The last two McIntyre matches (7/30 and 8/20) are both top 10 WWE matches in my book. Christian's selling was brilliant in both, and McIntyre-- and this is coming from a guy who has been very down on McIntyre-- has looked fantastic. He took a couple awesome bumps at the start of the 7/30, and then he busted out an awesome spot where he drew Christian toward him under the ring, and then smashed Christian's arm on the metal under the ring. Really awesome. And then the rest of Drew's arm work was great and fresh, and he developed a cool theme of using all the metal around the ring. Really great out-of-nowhere finish.

Last night's match might've been even better, but I'm not sure. The 7/30 match had the added bonus of surprising me by how awesome it was, but the 8/20 match completely met my expectations. Another innovative spot to start Drew's control, this time smashing Christian's arm against exposed metal under the barricade. More fresh & fun & intense arm work from McIntyre, and more great selling from Christian. He also took an awesome apron bump toward the beginning. McIntyre didn't get to show off his great big bumps, but he took an awesome DDT bump, and Christian sold the arm after hitting the DDT. It was fantastic. Lots of intensity and stiff stuff in both matches, with great facial expressions from Christian and good ones from McIntyre, and two really great finishes, too.

The 8/13 match with Cody was very good, too, though a notch below the McIntyre matches. I might rewatch it soon, as I don't remember it too well. But yeah, Cody has a great character at this point, and I'd say he's competent, maybe even good in the ring, but I don't think he has quite put it all together as a worker at this point, whereas McIntyre is really starting to click right now. But Christian was just as good here, selling his ass off.
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Definitely agree with sterling about Christian in the last few weeks. Loved the arm work in the two McIntyre matches and the Cody one was a short but sweet TV match. A Christian/Masters tag team could be pretty magical atm. Shame the whole Drew & Cody vs Matt & Christian feud will go nowhere and they won't get a chance on PPV, especially with how much these stupid gimmick PPVs limit the booking.
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If they let the Cody/Drew/Matt/Christian thing develop into a legit program with a tag match on PPV, I'd be insanely stoked. They could play off the Matt/Christian tension they teased during the MITB build and maybe start a feud between them. And they could continue with what I've found to be an intriguing pairing between Drew & Cody. But hell, I've been having a blast with these TV matches, and they've been good enough that I won't mind if they don't go anywhere. Heck, I'd settle for a throwaway TV tag between the four of those guys. Or add Ziggler and Kofi in to make it a 6-man.

EDIT: They did have a tag match a while back. I don't remember it being great, but I remember liking it. Do you have a link, Seabs? Just wondering. If not, I'll download the whole episode and probably throw a link up at some point. Also, watched some more:

Christian vs. Cody Rhodes - Smackdown 8/13/2010

Yeah, this was definitely good. Cody immediately backs Christian into the corner, targeting the arm. When Cody charges, Christian gets his feet up, which makes Cody back off to protect his face, starting a really entertaining sub-plot, with Christian trying to hit Cody in the face and Cody avoiding it. Cody takes a good bump to the outside and then Christian hits a great plancha and looks in control at the break. They come back with Cody in control, which I didn't like because I don't like to miss transition spots, but they recapped it and it was fine. Cody works Christian's arm; Christian sells: it's really good. Awesome moment where Christian falls on his arm on the bottom rope and sells like crazy. Another really cool spot where Christian goes for his slap-in-the-face spot while Cody's on the second rope, only for Cody to walk away. Christian then hits a sunset flip from the outside, which I thought was a cool variation on his standard corner spot. Finishing stretch really rocks: Christian can't hit his finisher because of the injury, and Cody uses the injury to his advantage, but Christian does get to slap Cody in the face really hard (and Cody sells it really well), so they pay off on that sub-plot. I dug this, but it was a notch below the McIntyre matches, mainly because Cody only brought about 40% of the intensity that Drew brought. I think "Dashing" Cody Rhodes is a great character that totally suits him, and there are a lot of things to like about Cody, but I don't think he's quite firing on all cylinders as a worker yet. I am excited about his future though. He's 25.

Christian vs. Drew McIntyre - Smackdown 7/16/2010

This is a notch below their last two matches because it doesn't have the awesome arm work and arm selling, but it's still great. It felt like a total slugfest, with tons of stuff stiff and great bumps, and lots of really nifty counters. It felt like both guys came prepared for the other guy's big stuff. There are some neat exchanges around the apron early on that felt totally fresh, and they resulted in a cool spot where Drew tried to slam Christian down into the apron, only for Christian to hold onto the top rope and hit his pendulum kick from a different spot than he normally does. I love the way he can vary his signature spots. And I also loved how they still delivered on the teased apron bump a little bit later when Drew shoves Christian off the top rope, and Christian shoves his own head into the mat. Absolute bonkers-ville bump, and I loved it. But Drew never really gets a lengthy control session here, as Christian keeps making comebacks and throwing bombs from the top rope, which I really liked. Christian takes some good-looking throat-first bumps onto the ropes; Drew takes a tornado DDT really well, and the counters during the finishing stretch are really fun, and the eye poke is awesome, and Christian's sell is even better.
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Yeah as long as Christian is allowed to have a TV run like last year on ECW I'm dandy. It's a pain having these PPVs like NOC which mean so many guys can't get on the show because of the gimmick.

Masters/Swagger was a massive dissapointment on Superstars this week. It was great for the 5 minutes it got and Masters was amazing again but I was expecting much longer for a Superstars main event. Masters/McIntyre was taped for next weeks Superstars so hopefully that getsthe normal main event length.
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I wouldn't call the match a massive disappointment. I mean, I'd agree that I was bummed they got a 5-minute slot rather than a 9 or 10-minute slot, but I still thought it was good for what it was, with more great stuff from Masters and a nifty finish. The Chavo match from the week before was much better though. And as far as disappointingly-short-but-still-good Superstars matches go, I thought the Regal/Bourne match from earlier in the year (3/4) was better, too. I really dug that match. Nifty arm trap stuff early by Regal, with Bourne doing really neat stuff to get out of it. And then Regal took one of Bourne's ranas really well, getting all tied up in the ropes. And then Regal hit Bourne, which was awesome because Bourne can make a shit striker look good, so yeah can imagine what he did with Regal.

Also, Primo & Yoshi had another good match on Superstars this week. They've had a nice little series. Nothing standout-ish, and I don't know if any of their matches would make even my top 50 for WWE this year, but I did enjoy them. A sub-top 50 match might seem like a really bad thing to people who haven't watched WWE TV regularly, but I've seen about everything and I'd estimate there have been over 100 WWE matches I'd consider at least "good" this year.

Speaking of next week's show, I heard they taped a Goldust/Regal match, and it got plenty of time. Like 13 or 14 minutes. I can't imagine that not being really good. Their last match was kept under 5 minutes, and there was a blood stoppage, but it was still really good for what it was, and Regal shtick'd it up really well.
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I REALLY need to start watching Superstars more often. Don't really know why I stopped, because I usually always ended up liking at least one match on the show. And a 15 minute Goldust/Regal match for next week? Yeah, definitely gonna have to download it.

Also... fuck me I am such an Undertaker mark. Watching the new Undertaker DVD, and while I have enjoyed EVERYTHING on it so far... I just got done watching the concrete crypt match... and I totally liked it.
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I REALLY need to start watching Superstars more often. Don't really know why I stopped, because I usually always ended up liking at least one match on the show. And a 15 minute Goldust/Regal match for next week? Yeah, definitely gonna have to download it.

Also... fuck me I am such an Undertaker mark. Watching the new Undertaker DVD, and while I have enjoyed EVERYTHING on it so far... I just got done watching the concrete crypt match... and I totally liked it.
Dont feel bad, I loved this DVD set too

Then again, I'd watch The Undertaker taking a shit for 20 minutes and rate it *****.
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