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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

John Cena vs Wade Barrett - **1/2

Strongly felt these guys could put on a classic, why won't WWE give us a classic match anymore?
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Wade Barrett? Classic?

Granted he's good on the mic, but he's still not very good in the ring. Still very inexperienced for the position he is in, which is why its a miracle they've been able to keep the Nexus angle going considering they've had to try very hard to hide the obvious lack of in-ring skills some of the members possess.
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Meh, Barrett aint that great of a wrestler. But the WWE is handling is booking brilliantly in matches. Summerslam, Night of Champions, and Hell In a Cell, he looked like a million bucks in each one of them. Especially considering how 'tough' some of the guys hes faced in those matches.

I gotta say, the WWE has had some very logical in match booking lately.
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Barrett definitely has limitations but the booking has been extraordinarily effective as redeadening states. He did bust out a solid moveset against Cena.

Anyone else think Sheamus and Orton have some scary-good chemistry with each other? I thought their match at Summerslam, lame finish aside, was wonderfully constructed, and their Hell in a Cell match was a great, brutal battle of a match with very fine storytelling from both men (shame Orton no-sold his rib injuries the second the match concluded and climbed up the cage, eh).

Orton's been kind of falling into a repetitive moveset/dynamic for much of his face run of the last six months but Sheamus seems to really bring something out in him.
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Originally Posted by HoMiCiDaL26 View Post
John Cena vs Wade Barrett - **1/2

Strongly felt these guys could put on a classic, why won't WWE give us a classic match anymore?
What was wrong with that? I thought it was the best match of the night and would have it at ***1/2-***3/4, though my marking out for the finish might have made the match better for me.

@DesolationRow:Ehhh, they're OK together I guess. I have both their SS and HIAC matches at ***1/4. I REALLY don't like their formula of boring me to death with fucking stalling FOR LIKE 3/4 OF THE GODDAMN MATCH though.

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US Title Triple Threat-***1/2

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Nah, it was completely underwhelming. I dislike in Cena's matches when they tease the FU early, then you know, the match isn't going for long. Cena and Barrett in a huge match at Hell in a Cell, I should just lower my expectations for wrestling now, it's obvious the WWE is protecting their wrestlers so they can work more house shows week in week out.

The reason I say this match should of been better is because I really, really like Cena's work. Such a great in-ring worker I thought with such high stakes on board the match would have gone the distance.
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Edge and Eddie in the same class? No way.
Exactly what I thought when I read that. Eddie was as dynamic a wrestler that anyone could ask for. Not many people really payed much attention to him until his major push in 04-05. I loved his matches, he had a style that meshed well with almost anyone, and even when if he was in a throw away match he could still get you into the match. He is also one of the very few who is very believable as face AND heel. A guy you could absolutely love, and a guy you could want to kill.

Owen shouldn't be lumped in the same category as Edge either, while I think is decent (since his return he's been shit for lack of a better word), but I loved his work from 01-02, his tag team work with Christian in 99-01 was great, his return in 04 was good, then he got red hot in 05-06, started getting stale to me come late 07-current. His stuff from 99-02 will always be my favorite, putting on great matches on smackdown and some really great ppv matches.

Bret is another favorite of mine, I wouldn't mind someone calling him the best. I always thought Benoit was just as good as Hart in every way, but Benoit added one thing that Hart kinda lacked in my opinion, and that was INTENSITY. Hart a lot of times seemed to be just the best technical wrestler, and his main goal was to have a basic technical bout. Benoit had the same mind set, but kicked it up with intensity and passion. Benoit was a relentless guy, and I always thought he edged out Hart. Im not taking anything away from Bret, the man has put on plenty of 5 star classics and was more than capable in his day of putting on a classic with anyone at any giving time, but as a fan watching the two, I prefer Benoits' style. Just like Hart, but with a fire under his ass who would go full force 110%.
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1. HIAC PPV sucked .

2. Eddie > 99.999999999999999999999999% of wrestlers ever .

3. Random question, but does anyone know the date/match that was Mean Mark Callous' debut in WCW? Tried to google it but was just coming up with "1989" which is about a helpful as the government.
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Well, I know for WCCW: against Bruiser Brody.
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As a pure wrestler, I'll go as far as calling Benoit untouchable in the ring. He was a master. He could bring out a good match from anybody, and his abilities in the ring were unprecedented. What Benoit had in his advantage or disadvantage--whatever fits the bill from individual vantage point--was that he was never really the highlight attraction, so that could have consequentially lowered expectations for his matches, and of course, at the end of the day--greatness in the ring is a perceived illusion than a concrete fact.

If we consider a "performer," from an overall spectrum, then yes--Flair, Bret, and Michaels would also pop in. Steamboat wasn't the "performer" that those wrestlers were, but going by pure wrestling skill alone, he might be above Michaels, Bret, and Flair. I think Michaels and Bret for their generation excel all because they made people care about their stuff. They made it larger than life, and that's what made them stand out from the rest. I think the "larger than life" component is a very important one in wrestling. There may be hundreds of wrestlers better than Bret and Shawn, but not many had the in-ring grip of Bret and Shawn that persuaded them to grasp the art of wrestling as perfectly as they did, and deliver matches that displayed such effects in a visually beautiful manner on a much larger scale.

When we talk about wrestlers like Bob Backlund, Arn Anderson, Sergeant Slaughter, or even the likes of Steamboat and Race, you need a special eye to recognize and appreciate their talents and expertise in the ring. With Flair, Bret and Shawn, you really don't need an "eye," to appreciate them. Does this have anything to do with exposure? Maybe it does. Or, can we say that they had "it" and that's why they got the exposure? Whatever fits your stance...

Eddie Guerrero is another wrestler who could have joined the elite list, but he didn't--not much because of lack of talent but due to the story of his wrestling career. As a pure wrestler, Eddie is right up there as one of the best of all-time, and to topple that, he had it ALL but none of it came to the show as it did with Michaels, Flair, or Bret. On a larger scale, that's where Eddie falls behind but going by his talent alone, I'd place him at par with Chris Benoit, or a notch less--primarily because Benoit is Benoit; the best of all time.
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