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Agree. The fact that WM15 is perhaps the worst match they ever had says alot about their feud. Like I said, as the feud was happening, I actually (for some reason I can't even explain) wasn't in love with it as much as seemingly everyone else was around me. Still found it entertaining and fun and all that, but I wasn't going nuts about it while pretty much every other wrestling fan in the world was. But now years later with some more perspective about the feud and matches, it was GREAT, and not just because it was the biggest drawing feud in history, but because the matches and promos were fucking awesome. Their Backlash and WM 15 matches being the bottom two matches of their feud is pretty impressive, as well. If pressed, I'd have to say I think their WM 19 & 17 matches are both better than Cena/Punk MITB. If only more wrestlers could have the chemistry of Rock/Austin, Punk/Cena, and HBK/Taker
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lol @ SummerSlam 2011 being better than WM17. I can't believe just how boring that match was when I rewatched it. Nothing more than a dull rehashed version of MITB.

On another note, I'm finally done with my Orton vs Cena series. Definitely not gonna bother with another one of these. Gets a bit stale watching the same two individuals go at it repeatedly.

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Raw 14/11/2005 (The Eddie Guerrero Tribute)
Since this is the Eddie Guerrero tribute show, Cena comes out with a "I'm Your Papi" t-shirt and wears it even while he wrestles. They get about 5 minutes to go and for the time they get, they manage to make as much out of it as they can. Orton still overdoes it a bit with his headlocks for such a short match but they don't last very long which makes the match more watchable. Orton dominates most of the first half but then midway through, both men are down and when they make it to their feet, Cena supermans his way into the 5 moves of doom and as he's about to give Orton the FU, "Cowboy" Bob Orton interferes which results in the disqualification finish. Cena beats both Ortons post-match for the "happy ending" as he takes off his shirt and leaves it in the middle of the ring along with the WWE Championship as a show of respect to Eddie. A very nice ending and the match wasn't terrible by any means. ★★

Raw 19/2/2007
One thing I notice about Orton during this period of time is how "fat" he looks. He's so huge, the steroid abuse is just obvious and I think it was around this time when he attempted to commit suicide. Thankfully, he survived and became a bit skinnier after that summer. Now onto the match, this goes on for double the amount of time from the previous match which is a sign of good things to come. First thing I notice is how much Cena has improved as a performer here. He doesn't lazily lay around and then go for the 5 moves of doom after no selling and Orton is as good as ever. He's smoother with his style and more crisp and methodical which is the wrestling style that has become his trademark as time has went on. They both divide their offense almost evenly and most signatures are hit, something that usually makes matches better than they would normally be. I also found Cena's own impression of "hulking up" a bit funny after taking several right hands from Orton. Cena almost has the FU executed until Edge interferes and gives Cena the spear for the DQ ending. Edge and Orton are about to destroy Cena until Shawn Michaels comes to the rescue. This was a pretty good first "real" match between Orton and Cena but still not truly displaying the greatness these two would be capable of in a singles match given more time with a real finish. I also have to say the commercial break was taken at the worst time possible when Orton looked like he was about to hit Cena with a chair. Other than that, pretty good TV match. ★★★

Raw 7/5/2007
To go along with my first words on the match above, Orton looks a little bit smaller here and interestingly enough, Jerry Lawler makes some comments about Orton having his demons and overcoming them. The commentary on Orton's personal life is actually the most interesting part of this match. Barely over 3 minutes, there's nothing memorable here. Orton builds some momentum then goes back to his reverse chinlock before Cena reverts to the same ol' 5 moves of doom. Patterned like the previous matches, as Cena sets Orton up for the FU, there's interference/distraction, this time in form of The Great Khali walking around the ring, stealing the WWE Championship and walking away with it as Cena attempts to stop him only to take a belt shot to the head followed by the show fading to black. Meh. ★¼

SummerSlam 2007
Finally, we have gotten to this point. These guys were opponents on two different occasions in PPV but both were multi-man matches so this is the true "official showdown". Crowd is very loud and a large portion of them are anti-Cena which results in a split crowd. Absolutely loved this one as they finally get over 20 minutes to just go at it and put on a memorable classic that they're capable of. I see that this is the period where Orton is slowly making the transition from the Legend Killer to the Viper (I could swear that JR even makes a comment about him being Viper-like during the match) so this suits his methodical style perfectly. He also meshes well with the more energetic Cena who often works from the bottom.

Like it always is with heel Orton, they start off with some chinlocks and as soon as Cena tries a comeback, Orton ducks out of the way from the predictable shoulder block. Although Cena is on the offense at some parts of the match, Orton dominates the majority with some great, cold characteristics to go along with. He uses his moveset smartly and his ring psychology here is top notch. Instead of acting desperately, he wears down Cena slowly and to suit his character, he never shows any frustration that heels usually display. Cena starts making a comeback towards the end but his momentum gets stopped by an inverted backbreaker after which Orton attempts to use the punt kick. Here also comes the finishing stretch which I loved. Cena plays possum and catches Orton off-guard after he misses the punt which gets countered to an STFU. Orton makes it to the ropes and when Cena walks up to him, there's the RKO out of nowhere but Orton sells the leg injury from the pressure that the STFU puts on it very well and slowly goes for the pin so that Cena's kick-out doesn't damage the RKO's credibility. Here's my only issue with the finish. Cena takes an RKO, but less than a minute after it as Orton wants to give him another one, he completely no-sells the move, hits a quick FU and goes for the pin real fast for the victory. It's a minor issue but not enough to bring down the match's overall quality. Best one between them so far but I expect that to change for the rest of their series. ★★★★

Unforgiven 2007
This match has no purpose other than to advance the Orton/Cena storyline. Right after SummerSlam, Orton punted Cena's father in the head and the story turned into hatred between them and deeper than just about the WWE Championship. Match lasts about 7 minutes and Orton barely gets any offense in. When he does, it's just that damn chinlock again (and the spike DDT). Otherwise, Cena hits him with punches and clothesline for the rest of the match. That's also how things end when Cena refuses to let go of Orton on the corner which results in Orton winning by disqualification. Post-match, Orton tries to punt Cena Sr. again only to get locked in the STFU followed by Mr. Cena giving him a punt of his own instead. Do people seriously waste money at times just to pay for this? I guess Undertaker's return that night kept them "safe" for WWE to go through with this waste of time.

No Way Out 2008
Right before their planned Last Man Standing match at No Mercy, Cena tore his pectoral muscle the week before and they used Orton to write him off. In the meanwhile, Orton won the WWE Championship and continued to hold onto it for several months. Cena made his surprise return at the 2008 Royal Rumble and won the whole thing. With the new build heat between the two characters, Cena rushed his title shot and used it at the pay-per-view before Wrestlemania 24, which results in this match.

Here they continue their prematurely stopped feud and what we get is an excellent match. Their offense is paced well, Cena does a great job as the babyface chasing the championship and trying to get back what he was forced to vacate while Orton plays the heartless heel as well as he's ever been. Just a great in-ring match with both hitting their signature spots at the right time and everything clicks together for the 15 or so minutes this match lasts. It really gets great towards the end when Orton gets desperate and exits the ring in an attempt to retain by countout. Then the finish is smartly done as Cena successfully enters the ring after taking an RKO on the outside, even more outraged. As he challenges Orton to fight him, Orton, like a true heel, takes the easy way out by slapping the referee to cause a disqualification. He takes a FU & STFU post-match but it doesn't matter anymore since he still has the title and Cena been robbed of his "Wrestlemania dreams". I found the crowd reaction hilarious as the disqualification was heavily cheered and Cena even got "Na-na-na-na-hey-hey-hey-goodbye" chants afterward. Also worth mentioning is the countout part when both men were trading punches as the referee was almost done with the ten count. ★★★★½

Raw 18/2/2008
After screwing Cena out of his Wrestlemania opportunity, Orton is forced to wrestle him again the night after No Way Out and if Cena wins, he'll be a part of the WWE Championship match involving Orton and Triple H. To add to the story, Triple H is the guest referee here too. Match is nothing special but just decent for a TV match. Orton controls most of it then Cena makes a comeback with his 5 moves of doom. Right after, Orton finds himself in the STFU but makes it to the ropes. Cena and HHH have a little staredown but Orton tries to run into Cena only to get FU'd for the 1,2,3. HHH gives both men a Pedigree after the match to set off the three way feud. ★★½

Raw 12/5/2008
For the second year in a row, these two are paired on the go-home show for Judgment Day. This time they get more than 3 minutes to work with so that's better. I really enjoyed this, plenty of decent ring action with some back and forth offense from both guys. Well paced and worked. Could have been a great match given PPV time and a proper finish, though. A screwjob finish comes as it usually is with TV matches before a PPV when William Regal appoints JBL (Cena's PPV opponent) as the special referee. JBL gives Cena a boot to the face followed by a fast count so Orton wins. Orton's own opponent in Triple H turns up post-match to end the show in typical faces over heels fashion as Orton goes through a steel cage before their actual cage match. This was decent to be exact. ★★½

SummerSlam 2009
So here we are and this is where they get to have match after match on pay-per-view every month. Many may not have liked it but I like it more than anything not involving part-timers from this year. The match itself is worse than I remember it being. For the first ten or so minutes before the overbooking takes place, the action is very slow with Orton playing up his methodical "Viper" shtick except he's rather boring here compared to the prior 2 years when he was a lot more entertaining in the ring. Cena doesn't do much other than the 5 moves of doom but he starts taking control before Orton intentionally disqualifies himself to escape the big bad Cena. From then on, it's a clusterfuck. Match is restarted but it wont take long before Orton gets himself counted out to retain only for another restart to happen then he pins Cena using the ropes only for another restart to happen then he's in the STF but somebody interferes (Brett DiBiase?) which causes another mess that Orton capitalizes from by RKOing Cena on the ropes followed by another one for the successful pinfall victory. Match was not really doing any well before the overbooking started but after that, it just got confusing and tiring to watch. It was shenanigans upon shenanigans within the space of minutes and it kind of ruined the match. ★¼

Breaking Point 2009
After the SummerSlam shenanigans, the two were booked for Breaking Point in an "I Quit" match with any interference in Orton's favor banned. Cena's "I Quit" was doing well with an excellent classic match with JBL from 2005. Here things are different and SuperCena has been alive for several years. On to the match, they start slowly inside the ring with Cena getting in a couple of moves before Orton takes control and circles him all over the place with his methodical offense. Cena gets some momentum with the five moves of doom before Orton takes control again for nearly the whole match from then on. For about 10 minutes from there, Orton takes control and punishes Cena slowly with handcuffs to the ropes, kendo sticks, chair shots and all of that while Cena's answer to every time he's asked about quitting is the same, a simple "No". Ultimately, SuperCena recovers and completely no-sells all the work Orton has been doing on him into the last couple of minutes when he handcuffs his hand with Orton's and throws the keys away to prevent Orton from escaping. As they enter the ring, an RKO from out of nowhere is hit after which Orton tries to go for the keys to free himself from the handcuffs but Cena gets up and after a struggle, locks in the STF which Orton submits to (quits). I think Orton, despite being very slow, did a great job as the sadistic heel that would have no limits in his mission to get his opponent to quit while the terrible SuperCena booking ruined it a bit. Still not that much and the Cena comeback is not as horrible as I remember it being. Overall, it's a good match but it's nowhere near the JBL "I Quit" match and definitely not as bad as the Miz match. ★★★¼

Hell in a Cell 2009
After having feuded for so long and gone through so much including an "I Quit" match, time for getting locked inside the Hell in a Cell structure that usually closes intense feuds. Not quite the case here as they still had one more big stipulation match to spend the following month. Onto the match, Orton talks about how he will do anything to become the champion while Cena talks about the usual shit on the build-up. Not really much to go off of but for the match they put on, I enjoyed it - more than the latest watch. The cell is barely used other than a few minutes in the beginning but that's become the norm with PG era cell matches so I don't concentrate on it much. It also makes the match more meaningful as the beginning of it was pretty dumb. Why would Orton challenge for the title and then try to escape the cell? Made no sense but thankfully, it can be overlooked as they go on when the match gets far better as purely in-ring with minor weapon use occasionally. Cena mostly sells or uses his signature spots while Orton carries the match for the most part. He's just so good at being the psycho, methodical heel to the point you think it's not the same guy with that smirk calling himself the Legend Killer. He works on Cena in desperate heelish fashion and I really enjoyed it even when he's moving very slowly. Towards the end when Cena kicks out of the RKO, I like his facial expression as he shows even more desperation and chokes Cena on the ropes followed by the devastating punt kick that gets him back the title. Only other issue I have is Cena making Orton tap with the STF when the referee was down. It was meaningless and pretty much an excuse to make sure Cena doesn't take a clean pinfall loss. The complaints aside, this was a decent and standard match between the two that still feels rather different to the previous "I Quit" match. ★★★

Bragging Rights 2009
They've battled each other several times throughout the years and even been through some gimmick matches including "I Quit" and Hell in a Cell, so it's only fitting they close this lengthy feud with an Ironman match to settle their differences once and for all. In addition, it is "anything goes" so they wont be limited to just wrestling in the ring. First 60-minute ironman match since Benoit vs Triple H from 2004 and funnily enough, both take place in the same arena in Pittsburgh, PA. I like how they work this one as it starts with some standard in-ring battle between them then Cena catches Orton slipping for the STF which results in Orton handing over the first fall to not take any damage from the hold. Smart heel work in the same vein as Lesnar using a chair to assault Angle. After that, the wrestling is toned down and it turns more into a brawl that goes around the arena, in and out of the ring. They even do a cool double-finisher spot and pin each other at the same time which gives each one fall. After Legacy interfere briefly (before Kofi Kingston chases them away with a chair), Orton starts to take over and heels it up even more by taking Cena to the stage area and whipping him through the lights for the set. One of the more memorable parts follows as he sets Cena up on the ramp and plays with the pyrotechnique to actually attempt blowing him up. Cena obviously moves out of the way but I thought this was awesome. Orton dominates a large part of the match after this and Cena pretty much spends most of it selling. In the last ten minutes, it's just standard babyface comeback for Cena. He gets an adrenaline rush and Orton with 5-4 in the lead works as the heel by trying to stay away from Cena and let the time end. Eventually, he can escape Cena for so long before he gets a taste of his own medicine with the steel steps before taking an Attitude Adjustment through the announce table which evens the score. After that, he gets a bit of protection in defeat by successfully hitting the RKO but the referee being down during the pin. End of the match comes with Orton going crazy and setting up the punt kick only for Cena to avoid it and get the STF locked in for the last minute which Orton finds himself in for so long but not enough to last the final 5 seconds without tapping out. That is my gripe with the finish as it makes no sense for Orton to stay in the hold for almost one minute but submit in the last 5 seconds. Otherwise, this was a solid match and even though it's not the best ironman match I've seen, I still enjoyed it. Orton, in particular, makes the 60 minutes an enjoyable experience. ★★★¾

Raw 14/12/2009
Their lengthy rivalry has now come to an end but the Ironman match was not the closing chapter for their one-on-one encounters in 2009 as they have this one match in the Slammy Awards episode too. The winner becomes the Superstar of the Year award winner so that's pretty much it. The match is a standard 10 minute TV match with nothing special taking place. Orton dominates most of the first half then Cena returns with his five moves of doom before they attempt their finishers on each other until Cena successfully hits the FU. Surprisingly, that wasn't it as Orton got hold of the ropes before the three count. He then DDTs Cena outside the ring and after getting him back in, Cena kicks out. Orton goes for the punt then Cena dodges it and successfully hits the FU again for the victory. Pretty standard to say the least. ★★

Raw 13/9/2010
The week before Night of Champions and they have their first ever face vs face match here. It's on Raw Roulette so a stipulation usually comes with it and here we have a tables match. Nothing different to the usual in the beginning and there's some good exchanges with the signatures spots until Cena gets Orton in the STF and after that, it turns into a lengthy segment of interference. Nexus enter the ring and assault both men but somehow, Orton and Cena end up getting the upper-hand with most Nexus members put through tables all around the ring. After that, Edge and Jericho interfere which ends with Edge trying to Spear Orton but he moves out of the way and Jericho takes a botched Spear through the table in the corner. Sheamus is the last to appear but he gets an AA from Cena pretty quick and the finish finally comes with Cena setting Orton up for an AA through a table but Orton reverses it to an RKO for the victory. Not a bad match but nothing special, specially compared to what they are really capable of. ★¾

Raw 25/10/2010
The final match between these up to this point and it's for the stipulation of Barrett vs Orton at Survivor Series. If Cena wins, Barrett gets to chooses the guest referee and the rest is history. At almost 15 minutes, these two just put on a good in-ring match with some good back and forth. Nothing out of the ordinary and seeing Orton as the WWE Champion being well protected makes me long for those days as opposed to the awful garbage we've been enduring for the past year. Orton even gets to kick out of an AA clean in the middle of the ring which surprised me. After that, he gets the RKO in but Cena rolls out of the ring. Orton takes him back in to set up for the punt but then Barrett rolls him out and attacks him for the DQ victory in Cena's favor which allows Barrett to pick Cena as his guest referee. Barrett and Nexus played the heels so well, it almost makes even his haters sympathize with Cena as he's not knowing what to do and even with the high stakes, refuses to have Barrett cheat to help him. But the ending also made me think, why didn't Barrett just attack Cena from the beginning and get it over with? Well, even though this was okay, I think Cena and Orton need to have another huge match up in the future at a PPV. ★★¼
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Kane vs The Rock in a No Holds Barred match on Smackdown 99 is a very fun match. His match with Eddie on Raw 02 is another fun TV match. I remember being excited to see Eddie Guerrero and The Rock working a match with each other.
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What have I missed? A lot of Austin/Rock talk which I can't discuss until my Wm list is done.

But agree with KOK Cena/Punk>>>>>>>>>Austin/Rock

Great rock TV matches I can only think of that 10 man tag on raw in 2000, and I remember a tv match against Flair that was fun as hell.
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Good write up C2D

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Raw 14/11/2005 (The Eddie Guerrero Tribute) **
Raw 19/2/2007
Raw 7/5/2007
SummerSlam 2007 ***1/4
Unforgiven 2007 DUD Advanced the story i know but it's an awful match from an awful PPV
No Way Out 2008 ****
Raw 18/2/2008 **
Raw 12/5/2008
SummerSlam 2009
Breaking Point 2009 ***
Hell in a Cell 2009 **1/4
Bragging Rights 2009 I've never seen this and i don't think i ever will. AN HOUR? No chance
Raw 14/12/2009
Raw 13/9/2010
Raw 25/10/2010 *1/2

Very rusty on my Cena/RKO matches but i've never been too enthralled by their feud and/or matches. Decent chemistry but not blockbuster chemistry.
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Those are some good options. If you're a big time BROCK mark then go with SD 2003, but if not... Then do a coin toss between RAW 2004 and RAW 2005. Actually... they're all good so just look at what's on tap or throw a dart at a dartboard to choose randomly .

RAW 97 has SHAWN ON COKE though. Smackdown 2002 has THE SMACKDOWN SIX. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
COKEBK, Bulldog/Owen, Austin, Shamrock, Taker, Vader, Goldust, etc make me want to watch the '97 shows but at the same time I'm feeling something a little more modern. Leaning towards Raw '05 because I remember lots of good TV stuff with Edge, Jericho, Benoit, Benjamin, HBK in the first half of the year. But '04 is one of my favorite years ever too. And I'm really foggy on those two years of SD when it comes to storylines so I feel like I'd be surprised.

And I'd put the Punk/Cena series above Rock/Austin.

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XV - ***1/2
XVII - ****1/4
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SS '11 - ****1/2
Raw '13 - ****1/4

Did top three vs top three there but I've got the NOC matchup at ****1/4 as well.
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Iron Man is good. Breaking Point & No Way Out are great.

That's all that should be watched. Hell in a Cell if you want. It's pretty good in its own right, tbf.
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lol @ SummerSlam 2011 being better than WM17. I can't believe just how boring that match was when I rewatched it. Nothing more than a dull rehashed version of MITB.

On another note, I'm finally done with my Orton vs Cena series. Definitely not gonna bother with another one of these. Gets a bit stale watching the same two individuals go at it repeatedly.

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Raw 14/11/2005 (The Eddie Guerrero Tribute)
Since this is the Eddie Guerrero tribute show, Cena comes out with a "I'm Your Papi" t-shirt and wears it even while he wrestles. They get about 5 minutes to go and for the time they get, they manage to make as much out of it as they can. Orton still overdoes it a bit with his headlocks for such a short match but they don't last very long which makes the match more watchable. Orton dominates most of the first half but then midway through, both men are down and when they make it to their feet, Cena supermans his way into the 5 moves of doom and as he's about to give Orton the FU, "Cowboy" Bob Orton interferes which results in the disqualification finish. Cena beats both Ortons post-match for the "happy ending" as he takes off his shirt and leaves it in the middle of the ring along with the WWE Championship as a show of respect to Eddie. A very nice ending and the match wasn't terrible by any means. ★★

Raw 19/2/2007
One thing I notice about Orton during this period of time is how "fat" he looks. He's so huge, the steroid abuse is just obvious and I think it was around this time when he attempted to commit suicide. Thankfully, he survived and became a bit skinnier after that summer. Now onto the match, this goes on for double the amount of time from the previous match which is a sign of good things to come. First thing I notice is how much Cena has improved as a performer here. He doesn't lazily lay around and then go for the 5 moves of doom after no selling and Orton is as good as ever. He's smoother with his style and more crisp and methodical which is the wrestling style that has become his trademark as time has went on. They both divide their offense almost evenly and most signatures are hit, something that usually makes matches better than they would normally be. I also found Cena's own impression of "hulking up" a bit funny after taking several right hands from Orton. Cena almost has the FU executed until Edge interferes and gives Cena the spear for the DQ ending. Edge and Orton are about to destroy Cena until Shawn Michaels comes to the rescue. This was a pretty good first "real" match between Orton and Cena but still not truly displaying the greatness these two would be capable of in a singles match given more time with a real finish. I also have to say the commercial break was taken at the worst time possible when Orton looked like he was about to hit Cena with a chair. Other than that, pretty good TV match. ★★★

Raw 7/5/2007
To go along with my first words on the match above, Orton looks a little bit smaller here and interestingly enough, Jerry Lawler makes some comments about Orton having his demons and overcoming them. The commentary on Orton's personal life is actually the most interesting part of this match. Barely over 3 minutes, there's nothing memorable here. Orton builds some momentum then goes back to his reverse chinlock before Cena reverts to the same ol' 5 moves of doom. Patterned like the previous matches, as Cena sets Orton up for the FU, there's interference/distraction, this time in form of The Great Khali walking around the ring, stealing the WWE Championship and walking away with it as Cena attempts to stop him only to take a belt shot to the head followed by the show fading to black. Meh. ★¼

SummerSlam 2007
Finally, we have gotten to this point. These guys were opponents on two different occasions in PPV but both were multi-man matches so this is the true "official showdown". Crowd is very loud and a large portion of them are anti-Cena which results in a split crowd. Absolutely loved this one as they finally get over 20 minutes to just go at it and put on a memorable classic that they're capable of. I see that this is the period where Orton is slowly making the transition from the Legend Killer to the Viper (I could swear that JR even makes a comment about him being Viper-like during the match) so this suits his methodical style perfectly. He also meshes well with the more energetic Cena who often works from the bottom.

Like it always is with heel Orton, they start off with some chinlocks and as soon as Cena tries a comeback, Orton ducks out of the way from the predictable shoulder block. Although Cena is on the offense at some parts of the match, Orton dominates the majority with some great, cold characteristics to go along with. He uses his moveset smartly and his ring psychology here is top notch. Instead of acting desperately, he wears down Cena slowly and to suit his character, he never shows any frustration that heels usually display. Cena starts making a comeback towards the end but his momentum gets stopped by an inverted backbreaker after which Orton attempts to use the punt kick. Here also comes the finishing stretch which I loved. Cena plays possum and catches Orton off-guard after he misses the punt which gets countered to an STFU. Orton makes it to the ropes and when Cena walks up to him, there's the RKO out of nowhere but Orton sells the leg injury from the pressure that the STFU puts on it very well and slowly goes for the pin so that Cena's kick-out doesn't damage the RKO's credibility. Here's my only issue with the finish. Cena takes an RKO, but less than a minute after it as Orton wants to give him another one, he completely no-sells the move, hits a quick FU and goes for the pin real fast for the victory. It's a minor issue but not enough to bring down the match's overall quality. Best one between them so far but I expect that to change for the rest of their series. ★★★★

Unforgiven 2007
This match has no purpose other than to advance the Orton/Cena storyline. Right after SummerSlam, Orton punted Cena's father in the head and the story turned into hatred between them and deeper than just about the WWE Championship. Match lasts about 7 minutes and Orton barely gets any offense in. When he does, it's just that damn chinlock again (and the spike DDT). Otherwise, Cena hits him with punches and clothesline for the rest of the match. That's also how things end when Cena refuses to let go of Orton on the corner which results in Orton winning by disqualification. Post-match, Orton tries to punt Cena Sr. again only to get locked in the STFU followed by Mr. Cena giving him a punt of his own instead. Do people seriously waste money at times just to pay for this? I guess Undertaker's return that night kept them "safe" for WWE to go through with this waste of time.

No Way Out 2008
Right before their planned Last Man Standing match at No Mercy, Cena tore his pectoral muscle the week before and they used Orton to write him off. In the meanwhile, Orton won the WWE Championship and continued to hold onto it for several months. Cena made his surprise return at the 2008 Royal Rumble and won the whole thing. With the new build heat between the two characters, Cena rushed his title shot and used it at the pay-per-view before Wrestlemania 24, which results in this match.

Here they continue their prematurely stopped feud and what we get is an excellent match. Their offense is paced well, Cena does a great job as the babyface chasing the championship and trying to get back what he was forced to vacate while Orton plays the heartless heel as well as he's ever been. Just a great in-ring match with both hitting their signature spots at the right time and everything clicks together for the 15 or so minutes this match lasts. It really gets great towards the end when Orton gets desperate and exits the ring in an attempt to retain by countout. Then the finish is smartly done as Cena successfully enters the ring after taking an RKO on the outside, even more outraged. As he challenges Orton to fight him, Orton, like a true heel, takes the easy way out by slapping the referee to cause a disqualification. He takes a FU & STFU post-match but it doesn't matter anymore since he still has the title and Cena been robbed of his "Wrestlemania dreams". I found the crowd reaction hilarious as the disqualification was heavily cheered and Cena even got "Na-na-na-na-hey-hey-hey-goodbye" chants afterward. Also worth mentioning is the countout part when both men were trading punches as the referee was almost done with the ten count. ★★★★½

Raw 18/2/2008
After screwing Cena out of his Wrestlemania opportunity, Orton is forced to wrestle him again the night after No Way Out and if Cena wins, he'll be a part of the WWE Championship match involving Orton and Triple H. To add to the story, Triple H is the guest referee here too. Match is nothing special but just decent for a TV match. Orton controls most of it then Cena makes a comeback with his 5 moves of doom. Right after, Orton finds himself in the STFU but makes it to the ropes. Cena and HHH have a little staredown but Orton tries to run into Cena only to get FU'd for the 1,2,3. HHH gives both men a Pedigree after the match to set off the three way feud. ★★½

Raw 12/5/2008
For the second year in a row, these two are paired on the go-home show for Judgment Day. This time they get more than 3 minutes to work with so that's better. I really enjoyed this, plenty of decent ring action with some back and forth offense from both guys. Well paced and worked. Could have been a great match given PPV time and a proper finish, though. A screwjob finish comes as it usually is with TV matches before a PPV when William Regal appoints JBL (Cena's PPV opponent) as the special referee. JBL gives Cena a boot to the face followed by a fast count so Orton wins. Orton's own opponent in Triple H turns up post-match to end the show in typical faces over heels fashion as Orton goes through a steel cage before their actual cage match. This was decent to be exact. ★★½

SummerSlam 2009
So here we are and this is where they get to have match after match on pay-per-view every month. Many may not have liked it but I like it more than anything not involving part-timers from this year. The match itself is worse than I remember it being. For the first ten or so minutes before the overbooking takes place, the action is very slow with Orton playing up his methodical "Viper" shtick except he's rather boring here compared to the prior 2 years when he was a lot more entertaining in the ring. Cena doesn't do much other than the 5 moves of doom but he starts taking control before Orton intentionally disqualifies himself to escape the big bad Cena. From then on, it's a clusterfuck. Match is restarted but it wont take long before Orton gets himself counted out to retain only for another restart to happen then he pins Cena using the ropes only for another restart to happen then he's in the STF but somebody interferes (Brett DiBiase?) which causes another mess that Orton capitalizes from by RKOing Cena on the ropes followed by another one for the successful pinfall victory. Match was not really doing any well before the overbooking started but after that, it just got confusing and tiring to watch. It was shenanigans upon shenanigans within the space of minutes and it kind of ruined the match. ★¼

Breaking Point 2009
After the SummerSlam shenanigans, the two were booked for Breaking Point in an "I Quit" match with any interference in Orton's favor banned. Cena's "I Quit" was doing well with an excellent classic match with JBL from 2005. Here things are different and SuperCena has been alive for several years. On to the match, they start slowly inside the ring with Cena getting in a couple of moves before Orton takes control and circles him all over the place with his methodical offense. Cena gets some momentum with the five moves of doom before Orton takes control again for nearly the whole match from then on. For about 10 minutes from there, Orton takes control and punishes Cena slowly with handcuffs to the ropes, kendo sticks, chair shots and all of that while Cena's answer to every time he's asked about quitting is the same, a simple "No". Ultimately, SuperCena recovers and completely no-sells all the work Orton has been doing on him into the last couple of minutes when he handcuffs his hand with Orton's and throws the keys away to prevent Orton from escaping. As they enter the ring, an RKO from out of nowhere is hit after which Orton tries to go for the keys to free himself from the handcuffs but Cena gets up and after a struggle, locks in the STF which Orton submits to (quits). I think Orton, despite being very slow, did a great job as the sadistic heel that would have no limits in his mission to get his opponent to quit while the terrible SuperCena booking ruined it a bit. Still not that much and the Cena comeback is not as horrible as I remember it being. Overall, it's a good match but it's nowhere near the JBL "I Quit" match and definitely not as bad as the Miz match. ★★★¼

Hell in a Cell 2009
After having feuded for so long and gone through so much including an "I Quit" match, time for getting locked inside the Hell in a Cell structure that usually closes intense feuds. Not quite the case here as they still had one more big stipulation match to spend the following month. Onto the match, Orton talks about how he will do anything to become the champion while Cena talks about the usual shit on the build-up. Not really much to go off of but for the match they put on, I enjoyed it - more than the latest watch. The cell is barely used other than a few minutes in the beginning but that's become the norm with PG era cell matches so I don't concentrate on it much. It also makes the match more meaningful as the beginning of it was pretty dumb. Why would Orton challenge for the title and then try to escape the cell? Made no sense but thankfully, it can be overlooked as they go on when the match gets far better as purely in-ring with minor weapon use occasionally. Cena mostly sells or uses his signature spots while Orton carries the match for the most part. He's just so good at being the psycho, methodical heel to the point you think it's not the same guy with that smirk calling himself the Legend Killer. He works on Cena in desperate heelish fashion and I really enjoyed it even when he's moving very slowly. Towards the end when Cena kicks out of the RKO, I like his facial expression as he shows even more desperation and chokes Cena on the ropes followed by the devastating punt kick that gets him back the title. Only other issue I have is Cena making Orton tap with the STF when the referee was down. It was meaningless and pretty much an excuse to make sure Cena doesn't take a clean pinfall loss. The complaints aside, this was a decent and standard match between the two that still feels rather different to the previous "I Quit" match. ★★★

Bragging Rights 2009
They've battled each other several times throughout the years and even been through some gimmick matches including "I Quit" and Hell in a Cell, so it's only fitting they close this lengthy feud with an Ironman match to settle their differences once and for all. In addition, it is "anything goes" so they wont be limited to just wrestling in the ring. First 60-minute ironman match since Benoit vs Triple H from 2004 and funnily enough, both take place in the same arena in Pittsburgh, PA. I like how they work this one as it starts with some standard in-ring battle between them then Cena catches Orton slipping for the STF which results in Orton handing over the first fall to not take any damage from the hold. Smart heel work in the same vein as Lesnar using a chair to assault Angle. After that, the wrestling is toned down and it turns more into a brawl that goes around the arena, in and out of the ring. They even do a cool double-finisher spot and pin each other at the same time which gives each one fall. After Legacy interfere briefly (before Kofi Kingston chases them away with a chair), Orton starts to take over and heels it up even more by taking Cena to the stage area and whipping him through the lights for the set. One of the more memorable parts follows as he sets Cena up on the ramp and plays with the pyrotechnique to actually attempt blowing him up. Cena obviously moves out of the way but I thought this was awesome. Orton dominates a large part of the match after this and Cena pretty much spends most of it selling. In the last ten minutes, it's just standard babyface comeback for Cena. He gets an adrenaline rush and Orton with 5-4 in the lead works as the heel by trying to stay away from Cena and let the time end. Eventually, he can escape Cena for so long before he gets a taste of his own medicine with the steel steps before taking an Attitude Adjustment through the announce table which evens the score. After that, he gets a bit of protection in defeat by successfully hitting the RKO but the referee being down during the pin. End of the match comes with Orton going crazy and setting up the punt kick only for Cena to avoid it and get the STF locked in for the last minute which Orton finds himself in for so long but not enough to last the final 5 seconds without tapping out. That is my gripe with the finish as it makes no sense for Orton to stay in the hold for almost one minute but submit in the last 5 seconds. Otherwise, this was a solid match and even though it's not the best ironman match I've seen, I still enjoyed it. Orton, in particular, makes the 60 minutes an enjoyable experience. ★★★¾

Raw 14/12/2009
Their lengthy rivalry has now come to an end but the Ironman match was not the closing chapter for their one-on-one encounters in 2009 as they have this one match in the Slammy Awards episode too. The winner becomes the Superstar of the Year award winner so that's pretty much it. The match is a standard 10 minute TV match with nothing special taking place. Orton dominates most of the first half then Cena returns with his five moves of doom before they attempt their finishers on each other until Cena successfully hits the FU. Surprisingly, that wasn't it as Orton got hold of the ropes before the three count. He then DDTs Cena outside the ring and after getting him back in, Cena kicks out. Orton goes for the punt then Cena dodges it and successfully hits the FU again for the victory. Pretty standard to say the least. ★★

Raw 13/9/2010
The week before Night of Champions and they have their first ever face vs face match here. It's on Raw Roulette so a stipulation usually comes with it and here we have a tables match. Nothing different to the usual in the beginning and there's some good exchanges with the signatures spots until Cena gets Orton in the STF and after that, it turns into a lengthy segment of interference. Nexus enter the ring and assault both men but somehow, Orton and Cena end up getting the upper-hand with most Nexus members put through tables all around the ring. After that, Edge and Jericho interfere which ends with Edge trying to Spear Orton but he moves out of the way and Jericho takes a botched Spear through the table in the corner. Sheamus is the last to appear but he gets an AA from Cena pretty quick and the finish finally comes with Cena setting Orton up for an AA through a table but Orton reverses it to an RKO for the victory. Not a bad match but nothing special, specially compared to what they are really capable of. ★¾

Raw 25/10/2010
The final match between these up to this point and it's for the stipulation of Barrett vs Orton at Survivor Series. If Cena wins, Barrett gets to chooses the guest referee and the rest is history. At almost 15 minutes, these two just put on a good in-ring match with some good back and forth. Nothing out of the ordinary and seeing Orton as the WWE Champion being well protected makes me long for those days as opposed to the awful garbage we've been enduring for the past year. Orton even gets to kick out of an AA clean in the middle of the ring which surprised me. After that, he gets the RKO in but Cena rolls out of the ring. Orton takes him back in to set up for the punt but then Barrett rolls him out and attacks him for the DQ victory in Cena's favor which allows Barrett to pick Cena as his guest referee. Barrett and Nexus played the heels so well, it almost makes even his haters sympathize with Cena as he's not knowing what to do and even with the high stakes, refuses to have Barrett cheat to help him. But the ending also made me think, why didn't Barrett just attack Cena from the beginning and get it over with? Well, even though this was okay, I think Cena and Orton need to have another huge match up in the future at a PPV. ★★¼
Great read and review. Never realized just how many TV matches they had. I agree with 90% of it other than lowering SS '07 by 1/2*, BR by 3/4* and HIAC by 1/4*.

That Summerslam '09 match is so fucking bad.
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