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Old 07-30-2013, 10:13 AM   #20491 (permalink)
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Idiocy is idiocy whatever the promotion. No doubt WWF/E has had their fair share of utterly embarassing angles and moments, but that's not really a valid defence when it comes to some of WCW's most laughably terrible moments.

My biggest worry nowadays is that there are some people who would still rather have a product like WCW 2000 instead of current WWE, with multiple title changes a week, entire rosters being switched in their alignment, Flair saying on WCW TV that if David improved and grew up he'd get him a job in WWF through contacts, the fucking blood from the ceiling as match finishes, the entire Russo/Flair feud complete with Russo kidnapping Flair's teenage son, Bagwell vs The Writers, a cruserweight title feud featuring Oklahoma vs a woman and Goldberg turning heel.

YIKES.

*This is without mentioning the utterly horrid week to week wrestling with matches lucky to go 5 minutes without interference and PPVS more concerned with building to TV than putting on compelling matches. DDP, Funk and to a lesser degree Jarrett were about the only redeemable aspects of the product in terms of the wrestling that year.

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Old 07-30-2013, 10:13 AM   #20492 (permalink)
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Dat Khali.

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Old 07-30-2013, 10:19 AM   #20493 (permalink)
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I'm not defending WCW at all. That Khali moment is one I'll never forget though.

Because there aren't as many HIAC matches, I couldn't do a top 10, but there are great ones, then really good ones, then good ones.

HBK/Taker
HHH/Taker
Brock/Taker
HHH/Batista
Orton/Taker

HHH/Cactus
Edge/Taker

Armageddon Six Man
HHH/Jericho (underrated)
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:21 AM   #20494 (permalink)
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*This is without mentioning the utterly horrid week to week wrestling with matches lucky to go 5 minutes without interference and PPVS more concerned with building to TV than putting on compelling matches. DDP, Funk and to a lesser degree Jarrett were about the only redeemable aspects of the product in terms of the wrestling that year.
THIS for me. Like i'm really enjoying a match, then surprise surprise, a run in occurs, fuck i get annoyed, i cant only blame the NWO either. Same with alot of PPV matches, like for example Sting/Goldberg in 1999 (could have been Slamboree or Havoc)
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:25 AM   #20495 (permalink)
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My biggest worry nowadays is that there are some people who would still rather have a product like WCW 2000 instead of current WWE, with multiple title changes a week, entire rosters being switched in their alignment, Flair saying on WCW TV that if David improved and grew up he'd get him a job in WWF through contacts, the fucking blood from the ceiling as match finishes, the entire Russo/Flair feud complete with Russo kidnapping Flair's teenage son, Bagwell vs The Writers, a cruserweight title feud featuring Oklahoma vs a woman and Goldberg turning heel.
I would've said that last year after Raw 1000 because the product was really shit. It was uneventful and boring. At least the WCW fuckery is entertaining in an "Is this even real?" kind of way.

But not now when they have finally started to use 3 hours in a more proper way and actually improved the product since 2013 started.
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:34 AM   #20496 (permalink)
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Is there a video somewhere where a cement falls insdie a cage match? I believe this was WCW 2000. Saw it in the 'funny pictures' thread once and someone said it actually happened :P

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Old 07-30-2013, 10:41 AM   #20497 (permalink)
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I would've said that last year after Raw 1000 because the product was really shit. It was uneventful and boring. At least the WCW fuckery is entertaining in an "Is this even real?" kind of way.

But not now when they have finally started to use 3 hours in a more proper way and actually improved the product since 2013 started.
No way was the product last year as bad as WCW 2000. Yes WCW gives you a good laugh at how bad it is, but that gets tiresome very quickly and no one should be wishing WWE was ever like that.
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:44 AM   #20498 (permalink)
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I'm not defending WCW at all. That Khali moment is one I'll never forget though.

Because there aren't as many HIAC matches, I couldn't do a top 10, but there are great ones, then really good ones, then good ones.

HBK/Taker
HHH/Taker
Brock/Taker
HHH/Batista
Orton/Taker

HHH/Cactus
Edge/Taker

Armageddon Six Man
HHH/Jericho (underrated)
I agree with all of that but how do you leave mankind vs taker hiac out of the good list? Some even would say its great. I think it's the most shocking and memorable match of all time. Don't get me wrong ill take hbk vs taker or even Brock vs taker over it, but that mankind match deserves a spot in the top 10 at the very least
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I would've said that last year after Raw 1000 because the product was really shit. It was uneventful and boring. At least the WCW fuckery is entertaining in an "Is this even real?" kind of way.

But not now when they have finally started to use 3 hours in a more proper way and actually improved the product since 2013 started.
Eh I'm not saying WWE is perfect, but for me the overall product is solid and just in need of some more creative storylines throughout the card and working to create a more intriguing undercard/midcard as opposed to relying on a fairly eventful uppercard/main event consistently.

The matches and ring product is probably the strongest era of WWE (2009-now) for many years, taking into account 2009 ECW and Smackdown (the summer), Superstars 2009-May 2011, Main Event & Raw this year. The quality of workers is ridiculously high (Bryan, Cesaro, Punk, Henry, Cena, Mysterio, Christian, Mcintyre, Shield, Bourne, Regal, Sheamus etc), there's variety in what many excel at (Henry as a character worker, great face workers, intriguing heel characters in Heyman, Wyatt & Shield) and they've even got someone in Lesnar who's a genuine difference maker when used effectively.

The underlying problem is clearly struggling to develop the personalities of the roster to create a diverse range of stars who will get a consistent reaction (there are just too many people who will not generate interest when on TV: Barrett, Swagger, 3MB, Ryder etc because of the stop-start pushing and endless rematches), but at least its a product with tremendous upside and potential, just struggling to properly utilise said potential.

The worst of WCW was truly horrendous. The quality of wrestling was arguably worse than WWF, titles were swapped around without thought, the influx of worked shoot angles in every part of the product, an out of control dressing room, power struggles, trying to replicate more successful gimmicks in WWF, interferences galore, no long term direction, older stars being continually pushed at the expense of youngsters, week to week heel/face turns with no logic etc.

No doubt WWE can sometimes be tepid and crying out for something to galvanise the product, but I'll take a product that generally offers many redeemable aspects even if it struggles to move past solid overall, over a dire company which only offers embarassing worked shoots, nonsensical angles, everyone shoved onto TV with a storyline taking time and care away from making certain feuds more prominent and low quality matches any day of the week.
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1.) HBK vs. Taker.
2.) Mankind vs. Taker.
3.) HHH vs. Taker.
4.) HHH vs. Cactus Jack.
5.) Edge vs. Taker.

All just in my opinion. I do think a lot of people rate Brock vs. Taker too highly, and this is coming from the biggest Brock mark ever.
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