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Old 06-22-2013, 11:35 PM   #17201 (permalink)
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Definitely. He had some classic tag matches on the indies, but nothing to ever cement him as a legit "grand" tag team worker. I think he's gotten to that point now after being aligned with Kane vs Shield this year.

Vengeance 2004. Yeah, it does have two good matches on it, but the bulk of that show is so dull and filler for me. I don't mind it, tbhayley; I simply can't look past it. It's like they didn't try very hard with the PPV that month.
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Old 06-22-2013, 11:37 PM   #17202 (permalink)
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Vengeance is like every other Raw PPV from 2004, a two match show. Main event and IC title matches are both excellent. And I don't even remember what matches were on the rest of the show without looking it up.

I loved Orton's work there. Rewatched it today and it still holds up pretty well. Nearly 30 minutes yet pretty well worked, specially from Orton who turns the crowd against him. Liked his acting post-match too when he pretended to start crying.

Main event is great too but not as good as what Benoit and HHH have otherwise had. Ironman match is better but don't expect any less shenanigans in the finish. There's as much of it.
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The Orton/Edge match dragged on for me a little. I have it at ***1/4 so I liked it but didn't love it. I actually like their Raw match from April 2007 better.
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IDK, I thought Jericho-Batista was great in the mold of a Bad Blood 2003 with Jericho-Goldberg, except that 2004 Batista is certainly no Bill Goldberg. Anybody else wanna throw out some mad love for Jericho-GOLDBERG from Bad Blood 2003?

Orton is a crazy case of a guy who really shined in the ring when he allowed his charisma to do a ton of the work for him in the Legend Killer Days. The cockiness of his real life translated into his on screen persona, thus giving us a more amplified version of himself on a week to week basis. When he got boring in real life, he got boring as shit in the ring as well and it really shows. When you take an Orton-Taker, Orton-Benoit, Orton-Foley, Orton-Rey, they all have fantastic Orton performances due to Randy's ability to take his real life and apply it to his job.

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I really really like Goldberg vs Jericho.

Jericho vs Batista is a shit match. Batista was awful in it.
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Is it a safe assumption to make that Goldberg may be the most underrated mainstream performer ever?

Or would that distinction go to Dustin Rhodes.... Hmmm.....
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I like to think most out there like Dustin even if not putting him as a top flight "worker". (not everyone thinks this way, of course) He's liked for his work either in WCW or his memorable character as Goldust. Whereas Goldberg has a stigma behind him of being "bad" when in reality he's far from him while working the type of match he was suited for.

Something about guys with "Gold" in the front of their name not getting respect or what?
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Henry would be a prime candidate pre-2011 as well. Guy had an absolute MONSTER of a 2006 while the rest of his work from 02-11 was fucking boss as well. Must be something to do with his booking making people believe that he magically became awesome overnight or something when it happened to be there the entire time.

Goldberg might be a case of people misinterpreting what it means to be a great worker though.
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I'd say that fits Goldberg well. So many topics on him often have people trying to compare him with guys like Bret Hart, Ric Flair, etc when that's daft. He wasn't like that. Nor did he try or every want to be. He was a machine. That's what his appeal was and that's what made him become huge. You can be a strong worker in different fields. Goldberg doing his role was ideal.

Henry works too. He's like Scott Norton to me. Someone who I thought as a kid was terrible. Yet, I'm watching him these days and I really like him. I'm talking WCW days and not just work in Japan. Why I thought he was poor as a kid is something I won't know. Clearly a sign that his clubberin style wasn't "cool" enough like someone doing something flashy would be. Not like taking a kid at his word is something anyone does when it comes to liking or disliking a wrestler, but I'm using it purely as an example which shows once you take the time to look at how one works, there can be something good right under your nose. Which tends to describe Henry to a tee before 2011 for most.
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Agreed, thought Henry was terrible as a kid to be completely honest, grouped him in with the Khali's of the world to my shame.

AHHHH, the days where I thought the HBK-HHH series was really good.... Terrible .

At least now due to getting a main event push near the end of his career, Henry will retire as a celebrated legend when he hangs it up, and that makes his 2011 - present run all the more pivotal.
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