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post #17191 of 20998 (permalink) Old 06-22-2013, 07:02 PM
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

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Yeah, I MUST SEE THIS LIST OF GUYS, I have kind of hit a rut in wrestling in general besides early 2000s Takayama lately
It's 105 people/tags long, US stuff only (because they tend to have shorter matches, and I can watch random TV matches). I guess I'm going after stuff that WWE owns (or places like CWA Memphis). Basically whatever I can post in this and/or the classic section.

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Henry (again)
Goldberg (again)
Parka (again)
Yokozuna (again)
Mike Enos (again)
HHH (again - to be fair I only watch three matches and got tired of it)
Too Cool
Eric Embry
Doink
Faces of Fear
Tito Santana
PG-13
Owen & Yoko
Owen & Koko
Umaga
Juvi
Bam Bam
Doom
Bossman/Bubba
Wrath & Mortis
Andre
Sgt. Slaughter
Wahoo
Larry Zbyszko
DDP
Magnum TA
UWF Steve Williams
Kamala
Eddie Gilbert
Norman the Lunatic
TAKA
Saito
the Masked Superstar
Ivan Koloff
Shane Douglas
Bob Orton
Bundy
Patera
Chavo Sr.
Chavo Jr.
Ron Garvin
Tully
Killer Khan
Furnas & Kroffat
Buzz Swayer
the Patriot
Ken Shamrock
One Man Gang
Bubba Ray
Ian Rotten
Kaz Hayashi
Bunkhouse buck
Race
Steamboat & Youngblood
Pat Patterson
WWF DiBiase
Martel
Rikishi/Fatu
Pat Tanaka
the Acolytes/APA
Val Venis
Little Guido/Nunzio
Barry Horowitz
Sabu
Whipwreck
Rude
Duggan
Adonis
Nasty Boys
Jake Roberts
Chris Adams
Curt Hennig
Earthquake
WCW Villanos
the Moondogs
Evan Bourne
Piper
Noble
Taker
Orndorff
Koko Ware
the Freebirds
Corino
Candido
Al Snow
Jeff Hardy
Dutch Mantel
Hulk Hogan
Bradshaw/JBL
Super Crazy
2010 Dolph Ziggler
2010 Sheamus
Lesnar
Blue Blazer
Verne Gagne
Paul London
MNM
Nick Bockwinkel
Windham
Todd Morton
Tajiri
Greg Valentine
Too Cold Scorpio
Festus/Gallows
Haku/Meng


Not as much of a bitch to type out as I thought it'd be. These are guys I want to look at for one reason or another. Curiosity, revisiting, hearsay, b/c I love them, they looked good to me once or twice and I want to see more, etc. I'll add people to it if anybody has any recs. It's a growing list no matter what. I still don't know if I actually plan to rub people off of it. I guess if I watch enough and go 'ah this dude sucks', then I won't bother seeing any more.

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I didn't have cable during the alliance era. I can now watch every Raw from then and I am excited. I just watched Buff Bagwell's one and only WWE match.

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Just got to rewatch some matches that I haven't seen in a long time and also plenty of stuff from 2007, 2009 and 2010 that I need to check out to form an opinion. Already have over 100 matches lined up at ★★★+ in rating so filling the list is not a problem for me whatsoever. It's more a matter of getting the bottom part of it correctly.



It's down for me on a daily basis recently but then after a few time refreshing, I manage to get it working.
Do you mean there's stuff from '07, '09', & '10 that you've never seen before? That must be cool to discover new stuff from one of your faves.
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

Just rewatched what is probably Benoit's and Raven's most underrated/overlooked match in their respective careers.

Chris Benoit vs. Raven (3/16/98)

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This match occurs the day after that terrific triple threat match at Uncensored between DDP, Benoit, and Raven, which reminds me that I need to revisit my DDP project. The stipulation here is that the winner of this match gets to face DDP for the US Title at Spring Stampede.

As we've all heard millions of times, Benoit is among the greatest ever at technical/ground based wrestling, but I have always felt that he is just as good when he is brawling or in a hardcore environment. This match is exactly just that. Raven's Rules allow us to do whatever anyone wants outside the ring, and what makes this even better is that this match takes place in one of those WCW venues that has a pool surrounding the ring. A majority of the match (well it really is a fight) occurs outside of the ring, but unlike those annoying Attitude Era brawls, these guys don't look like they're stalling by hitting each other with soft punches. Benoit gives some stiff shots as usual, which sells just how heated this incredible US Title feud was.

The thing that makes this match so special from any other Benoit match is the fact that this is one of the very few times that we ever see Benoit lose his cool. I wish we got to see it more in WCW, but the beauty of Raven in ECW was that he was the master of mind games. Raven knows how to push people's buttons, and that is how he takes advantage of people's mistakes. Benoit however is a guy known for not making mistakes, which is what makes this match so interesting. Raven wins the mind games battle in this match with the way that he makes Benoit focus less on winning the match, and more on trying to make the match personal and hurt Raven. Take notice of how Benoit slaps Raven around and refuses to pin Raven when he has the chance, but also notice how that emotion from Benoit makes his strikes even more painful. This is a very intriguing story especially for a Benoit fan. Not going to spoil this, but this match at its core is a battle of whether Raven's mind games could defeat Benoit's aggressiveness.

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Do you mean there's stuff from '07, '09', & '10 that you've never seen before? That must be cool to discover new stuff from one of your faves.
I've seen the important matches already but there are some TV stuff that I need to check out to assure my opinion on them. From 03 there are only a handful of matches that will appear, I'm almost done with 04 while 05 and 06 is just a matter of rechecking out the stuff I know are worthy of appearing (done most of them), already done with 08 and will recheck some of the stuff from the past couple of years along with all the leftovers from the years you mentioned. I'm probably 80% done and maybe more.
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Thoughts on RAW 2011 matches such as Bourne, Kingston, Cena, Sheamus, Cena and Ryan vs Ziggler, Otunga, Swagger, ADR, Christian and Rhodes (damn it was long); Miz, Christian and Truth vs Riley, Cena and Orton; Myserio vs ADR vs Punk; etc?
Mutliman tag was pretty terrific. Loved the southern style approach during the bulk of it.

The elimination was standard WWE dreck. Not worth your time.

Mysterio vs Del Rio > Punk vs Del Rio, but both are good. I think I liked the RAW Punk vs Del Rio match more than at Survivor Series.

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oooooh. Can't wait to see the Benoit vs Raven match. I'm at the go-home week before Souled Out '98 so I'll get to that point soon enough.

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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

watched a couple of raw matches today

kofi/cesaro us title match on raw was pretty good. Cesaro is become one of my current favorites on the roster.shocking how much cesaro carries kofi in this matches

rollins/bryan was pretty good, great crowd , I love how bryan plays up the crowd and gets them into the match more recently and really makes his matches that much more enjoyable. Rollins is my favorite member of the shield and has a bright future.

watching miz/bryan noc and gonna watch a streak match later, really enjoying going off ** recently

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rollins/bryan was pretty good, great crowd , I love how bryan plays up the crowd and gets them into the match more recently and really makes his matches that much more enjoyable. Rollins is my favorite member of the shield and has a bright future.
That was the first time I really LOVED him in one of the Raw matches. Everyone was going nuts over all of his tags against The Shield, and they were good, but I wasn't as blown away as everyone else.

When I saw the match with Rollins, though, I LOVED him. And then what do you know. I come online, and most people here are giving it, like, *** 3/4. It was surprising to me, because I found it much superior to all of the tag matches that were getting ****+.

I liked the calm, wrestling, aspect, though. I understand why people find the tags more fun, but the quality of this was just so good.

Only watched it once live, so I'm just going with my perceptions at the time.
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Danielson capturing the tag team formula in those matches is what blew me away. I wasn't exactly surprised he managed to perfect it, but it was the fact he did it so well and got the fans to become emotionally involved to that level was just tremendous. Both aspects: FIP or playing the "hot tag" he nailed it. Dead on.

Match vs Black being great wasn't a shocker either with the time given. Both men have made the adaptations to the WWE style more than fit, so naturally you put them with some time behind 'em and their chemistry was going to shine through. Adding in the callbacks to previous matches of their's only upped how much I thought of the match. Glad the buckle bomb from Rollins is staying.

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Danielson capturing the tag team formula in those matches is what blew me away. I wasn't exactly surprised he managed to perfect it, but it was the fact he did it so well and got the fans to become emotionally involved to that level was just tremendous. Both aspects: FIP or playing the "hot tag" he nailed it. Dead on.

Match vs Black being great wasn't a shocker either with the time given. Both men have made the adaptations to the WWE style more than fit, so naturally you put them with some time behind 'em and their chemistry was going to shine through. Adding in the callbacks to previous matches of their's only upped how much I thought of the match. Glad the buckle bomb from Rollins is staying.
Danielson is amazing. Just because he was in a feud with a tag team he went and became an amazing Tag team worker.


WWE Vengeance 2004

Sunday Night Heat:
Tyson Tomko w/Trish Stratus vs. Val Venis w/Nidia

It went less than 3 minutes. It wasn't bad or anything but in 3 minutes there really isn't much that you can do to have an impressive match.
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The Coach and Garrison Cade vs. Rhyo and Tajiri

Can't say I was a fan of this. Tajiri and Rhyno are good enough but Coach can't wrestle and Cade isn't particularly great either.It was structured fairly basically Tajiri played the face in peril before making a hot tag to Rhyno. Unfortunately the control segment was boring because the guys in control weren't very good. There were a few amusing moments with Tajiri and Coach but other than that this is something that doesn't belong on a PPV.
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Chris Jericho vs. Batista

This is pretty much what you would expect from these two. Batista just played the power houe against an underdog Jericho. The match was solid but it was lacking the big comeback from Jericho that would have brought this to the next level. A good comeback from Jericho would have taken this from average to great.
**1/4



World Tag Team Championship Match
La Resistance (c) Vs. Ric Flair and Eugene

Flair and Eugene are hilarious together. Flair comes out to the ring first doing his classic Ric Flair entrance and out behind him comes Eugene wearing a Ric Flair robe and havng Eugene mimmick all of his actions and then when the match started Eugene did his best to wrestle as Ric Flair. Flair got a tag and we saw classic Flair as a face, which was fun to see. Basically the first two thrids of the match were just Eugene and Flair beating the shit out of the champions. After a while we saw Flair get isolated and Eugene get more and more angry outside the ring. I wasn't a huge fan of the ending but it was really all they could do. The tag champs looked weak but the match was really entertaining. Just a lot of fun.
**3/4


No Disqualification Match:
Kane vs. Matt Hardy

This might be the environment where Matt Hardy is at his very best. The desperate babyface, while this wasn't the level of his matches with Edge he still bought the same intensity to the match. While I really liked the way Matt Hardy came into the match I can't say the same for Kane. There was a little but of trash talking from him that I liked but when he was actually on offense it just kind of seemed like he was wrestling a normal match. So I was left feeling that Matt Hary was in the fight of his life and that Kane was just having another match. Matt was awesome, the match was short and intense and had a feel god ending. I got everything I was hoping for out of it.
***


Intercontinental Championship Match:
Randy Orton(c) vs. Edge

There was almost an even crowd split at the start of the match which created a fantastic atmosphere as the place was just electric from bell to bell. A large portion of the match was orton being in control of the match, Edge got in some offensive spurts but those moments were few and far between. Despite the fact that Orton spent so much time in control they were able to keep things interesting by throwing in some false comebacks from Edge. I loved adamant Orton was about being the heel. The fans were cheering for him and Orton turned it around by putting Edge in the longest headlock ever, and that really turned the crowd against him. I knew this match had the long headlock but I never realized why Randy did it until this rewatch. It was pretty damn smart on his part.

They really had the crowd involved in the match by the end of things. I spotted fans in the "Mark Out Pose" (both hands on your head in a state of disbelief) when they were going for secondary finishers likethe Impaler DDT. The finishing stretch of the match was awesome but the steps both guys took to get to that point really made the match that much more impressive. A smartly worked and exciting match. This is probably the best non-gimmick match that Edge has had and it's still one of Orton's best singles matches I think.
****1/4



World Heavyweight Championship Match:
Triple H vs. Chris Benoit(c)

Triple H went into the match believing that he was already the champion and he wrestled like the champion. Despite holding the title for months Benoit looked like the underdog. Benoit got in a lot of chops early and some offense but it seemed like he was throwing everything he had at Triple H and that it wasn't good enough. All of this really made Benoit's comeback seem meaningful. So everything was going so well until we had the ref bump and Eugene showed up. I have no idea why Triple H had Eugene come to the ring when he could have just sent the rest of Evolution into the ring and they would have easily helped him.

However if you can look past that the ending was still pretty exciting because you weren't sure what Eugene would do and it was up in the air about who would win. It was just stupid that it was happening in the first place. So in all the match was great but the finsihing stretch was really stupid. I'll have to check out their Iron Man match where hopefully there is less stupidity.
***1/2


Well Edge/Orton was great and the main event was good, but it should have been great. Hardy/Kane and the Tag Title match wre fun but nothing too amazing. Decent enough show though, I can't really complain about a show with a great match and an almost great match.
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