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green been · 07-04-2009, 12:39 AM

what dvd do you think will be better?
i think the R&F of ECW will be better becuase vince didnt hate ECW so he let everything be put in the documentary also it had Paul Heyman while vince hated WCW will probably be bias about the whole Raw VS nitro thing and it doesnt have Eric Bischoff he was asked but refused to do it because of the fact he belives vince will twist the truth.
below is infomation on the rise and fall of WCW DVD
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Documentary chapters:

Jim Crockett Promotions
Georgia Championship Wrestling
Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling
Black Saturday
The Expansion
Crockett Sells to Turner
Greatest Talent in the World
New Management
Bill Watts Era
Bill Shaw Hires Eric Bischoff
Hulk Hogan Arrives
Nitro Debuts
nWo
Cruiserweights
Goldberg
WCW Ratings Champ
Celebrities
Goldberg vs. Hogan
Mistakes Begin
Vince Russo
A Corporate Merger
McMahon buys WCW
Legacy of WCW

Bonus features:

• Lost in Cleveland (Cactus Jack vignette)
• Bill Watts Defends Himself
• Spam Man
• The Origin of Goldberg
• Bischoff Gives Away RAW Results

Matches:

$1,000 Challenge Match
Ric Flair vs. Magnum T.A.
NWA World Championship Wrestling – June 15, 1985

Sting, Lex Luger & Barry Windham vs. Ric Flair, Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard (w/ JJ Dillon)
The Main Event – April 3, 1988

United States Championship Match
Dusty Rhodes vs. Barry Windham
Great American Bash – July 10, 1988

NWA World Heavyweight Championship Match
Ric Flair vs. Ricky ‘The Dragon’ Steamboat
Chi-Town Rumble – February 20, 1989

The Rock ‘n’ Roll Express vs. The Midnight Express
Wrestle War – February 25, 1990

NWA United States Tag Team Championship Match
The Midnight Express vs. The Southern Boys
Great American Bash – July 7, 1990

WCW World Tag Team Championship Match
The Steiner Brothers vs. Sting & Lex Luger
SuperBrawl – May 19, 1991

WCW World Heavyweight Championship Match
Sting vs. Big Van Vader
Great American Bash – July 12, 1992

WCW International World Heavyweight Championship Match
Rick Rude vs. Sting
Spring Stampede – April 17, 1994

WCW World Heavyweight Championship Match
Ric Flair vs. Hulk Hogan
Bash at the Beach – July 17, 1994

WCW World Heavyweight Championship Match
Ric Flair vs. The Giant
Nitro – April 29, 1996

WCW Cruiserweight Championship Match
Rey Mysterio Jr. vs. Dean Malenko
Clash of the Champions XXXIII – August 15, 1996

War Games Match
Team WCW- Sting, Lex Luger, Ric Fair & Arn Anderson vs. Team n.W.o.- Hollywood Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall & a Mystery Partner
Fall Brawl – September 15, 1996

United States Championship Ladder Match
Syxx vs. Eddie Guerrero
Souled Out – January 25, 1997

United States Championship No Disqualification Match
Eddie Guerrero vs. Dean Malenko
Uncensored – March 16, 1997

WCW Cruiserweight Championship Title vs. Mask Match
Chris Jericho vs. Juventud Guerrera
SuperBrawl VIII – February 22, 1998

WCW Unified World Tag Team Championship Match
The Steiner Brothers vs. The Outsiders
SuperBrawl VIII – February 22, 1998

Diamond Dallas Page & Karl Malone vs. Hollywood Hulk Hogan & Dennis Rodman
Bash at the Beach – July 12, 1998

WCW World Heavyweight Championship Match
Goldberg vs. Diamond Dallas Page
Halloween Havoc – October 25, 1998

WCW World Heavyweight Championship Match
Booker T vs. Lance Storm
Nitro – August 7, 2000

Yeah1993 · 07-04-2009, 12:42 AM

I won't judge it until I actually watch the WCW DVD, but not many DVds have lived up to the awesomeness of the ECW one.

the_quick_silver · 07-04-2009, 12:46 AM

I have only watched very few episodes of ECW and WCW, so its obvious that my opinion would not be counted, but still I would say R&F of ECW, for the hardcore bouts.

And, do you really think Vince will twist things in R&F of WCW? I mean, I dont think so. If he does hate it too much, why did he made Eric Bischoff, the GM of Raw?!

Well, I dont know much about the history, so I am just saying.

SludgeHammer · 07-04-2009, 01:26 AM

Hopefully Vince won't feel the need to twist the story too much in his favour, given how much time has passed and the fact that it is obvious to wrestling fans that he won in the end.

Mr TJF · 07-04-2009, 01:47 AM

Rise & Fall of ECW was awesome, one of the greatest DVD's I have ever seen. I'm gonna watch Rise & Fall of WCW but without guys like Bishoff, Sting, Goldberg etc it won't be as good as Rise & Fall of ECW.

**Austin101** · 07-04-2009, 01:54 AM

Vince DID Hate ECW, he just doesen't want you to know.

**-trav-** · 07-04-2009, 02:42 AM

No Eric Bischoff on this DVD is an epic fail.

JoMojo_Rising · 07-04-2009, 04:42 AM

Id' vote for ECW over WCW every single time, but as long as Goldberg's on it I'm happy.

**Stone Cold sXe** · 07-04-2009, 07:40 AM

ECW told it all, and interviewed all who were a critical part of the promotion. The WCW one lacks Turner, Watts and Bischoff, 3 pivotal person's. WCW's will have more historical significance, but I guess the judgement will be made when it's been viewed.

**Cerbs** · 07-04-2009, 08:03 AM

When is this DVD being released?

Also, when is the Smackdown DVD being released?

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Originally Posted by Austin101

Vince DID Hate ECW, he just doesen't want you to know.

Exactly, that ECW documentary actually was pretty one-sided. I still refuse to accept the notion that the Attitude era was just a rip-off of ECW. I think Heyman really wants to believe that, but I seriously don't see it that way. I actually started following ECW during the Attitude era and it felt like 2 completely different genres. And when I really started getting into ECW, I realised their wrestling was a thousand times better than the shit WWE was putting out during that time.

Heyman also refuses to accept any responsibility for ECW's demise, which is nothing short of a load of shit. He spends 10 minutes on that documentary blaming everyone from Bischoff to TNN and it just makes me cringe. Never once does he say, "You know, maybe flaming the only company that was generous enough to give us a shot on their own network and mocking them every chance I got probably wasn't a good idea..." Or that he tried to expand the company too fast too soon like WCCW did (just so he could compete with WWF and WCW) and suffered their same fate. Not to mention he actually insists TNN was the only option he had, even though professional wrestling was sort of a big deal during that era. Heyman is so full of shit. Genius promoter, but completely full of shit. And to think he had the audacity to say the same thing about Bischoff on that documentary when Bischoff makes VERY valid points throughout the entire thing. lol @ ECW ever being the #2 promotion.

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Originally Posted by -trav-

No Eric Bischoff on this DVD is an epic fail.

I agree to an extent because I LOVE Bischoff and consider him to be one of the smartest men in the history of the business. BUT... if he was just going to say the same type of garbage Heyman laced into the ECW documentary, I would rather pass. But I doubt he would considering he was pretty straight-forward in the Monday Night Wars dvd and his biography. I don't think Bischoff played NEAR as big a part in WCW's demise as Heyman played in ECW. Both promotions suffered from problems with their respective networks, but Heyman was behind the wheel the whole time. ECW was doing just fine until Heyman decided he wanted to jump to the mainstream, yet still refused to comply with mainstream standards.