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**Damien_Draiman™** · 07-13-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jatt Kidd

Where the hell is Buddy Rogers on your list if you want to act like you know wrestling history?

I don't put him on my top 25 list for a couple reasons

1) He wasn't the answer for the NWA and Lou Thesz for the World Title. When he won the WWWF world Title in 63, that was a big deal but he held that title for 2 and a half weeks which back then is the equivalent to Kane holding the WWF title in 1997 for one day. To me, it seemed like he was the transition guy to Bruno who held that title for 7 years.

2) Going on the first statement. Any guy who is beyond a heel (by that I mean someone who the boys in the back want to hurt literally beyond a storyline http://www.prowrestlingdaily.com/200...-buddy-rogers/) is taking it too far. He had problems with the NWA.

3) What's his Claim to fame? His moniker went to Flair. That's it. He didn't do much after his first WWWF title reign and back in those days you had to go by word of mouth because their wasn't much by the way of Television or much that is recorded to this day. I haven't seen much of Thesz either, but hearing his history, his impact, being the original wrestler to hold a world title for 5+ years, that guy to me is a top 25 guy.

I can understand the Arguments for Rogers though to be a top 25 guy. It's just my opinion though. Unfortunately the matches I've seen and heard about go back to 74 to present and not very much before that. If I seen More of Rogers, then he probably would be top 25, but from what I heard and the stuff he was chronicled as, I personally would not put him in my top 25. Top 40 absolutely, but not quite top 25.

Violence Innovator · 07-13-2008, 05:23 PM

There are SO many incredibly talented wrestlers, I couldn't even begin to pick a top 25, but, as a top 5, I'd say number one for definite would be HBK, and in no particular order after that, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Stone Cold Steve Austin and Undertaker

Jatt Kidd · 07-13-2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Damien_Draiman™

I don't put him on my top 25 list for a couple reasons

1) He wasn't the answer for the NWA and Lou Thesz for the World Title. When he won the WWWF world Title in 63, that was a big deal but he held that title for 2 and a half weeks which back then is the equivalent to Kane holding the WWF title in 1997 for one day. To me, it seemed like he was the transition guy to Bruno who held that title for 7 years.

2) Going on the first statement. Any guy who is beyond a heel (by that I mean someone who the boys in the back want to hurt literally beyond a storyline http://www.prowrestlingdaily.com/200...-buddy-rogers/) is taking it too far. He had problems with the NWA.

3) What's his Claim to fame? His moniker went to Flair. That's it. He didn't do much after his first WWWF title reign and back in those days you had to go by word of mouth because their wasn't much by the way of Television or much that is recorded to this day. I haven't seen much of Thesz either, but hearing his history, his impact, being the original wrestler to hold a world title for 5+ years, that guy to me is a top 25 guy.

I can understand the Arguments for Rogers though to be a top 25 guy. It's just my opinion though. Unfortunately the matches I've seen and heard about go back to 74 to present and not very much before that. If I seen More of Rogers, then he probably would be top 25, but from what I heard and the stuff he was chronicled as, I personally would not put him in my top 25. Top 40 absolutely, but not quite top 25.

I can respect the thoughts, opinions are to each his own, but the heel part I don't think is taking anything too far. Shawn Michaels in the late 90s was a great heel and literally hated by the majority of the locker room, hell he got into confrontations with how many people, Bret, Chris Harris, Harris Twins in general, Candido, Douglas, Taker.

**Damien_Draiman™** · 07-13-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jatt Kidd

I can respect the thoughts, opinions are to each his own, but the heel part I don't think is taking anything too far. Shawn Michaels in the late 90s was a great heel and literally hated by the majority of the locker room, hell he got into confrontations with how many people, Bret, Chris Harris, Harris Twins in general, Candido, Douglas, Taker.

Point taken, but no one was out to literally injure HBK in the back (maybe outside of Bret Hart), like Kowalski and others were planning to do to Rogers in the late 50s early 60s. I know times were different and it was easier to report things like that, but in light of the Brody incident in 88, it wouldn't surprise in the least bit if the wrestlers had a vendetta against Rogers.

AndY2J480 · 07-13-2008, 06:03 PM

How Jericho is getting beaten on some of these lists by Guerrero, Mysterio and even a scumbag like Benoit is beyond me. I don't have international or old-school wrestling knowledge to make one of these lists, but I know that if I were to create one Benoit would be expelled from it based on principle. And as for Guerrero and Mysterio, both are talented wrestlers, but I'd say Jericho has more 4 and 5 star matches than either and is far superior on the mic.

**TheHitmanHart** · 07-13-2008, 07:00 PM

My list is only going to consist of people I have seen wrestle a lot during my lifetime. In-ring work is important to me. Promos and drawing power are secondary, but still a factor.

1. Bret Hart
2. Shawn Michaels
3. Randy Savage
4. Steve Austin
5. Mr. Perfect
6. The Undertaker
7. Triple H
8. Ric Flair
9. Kurt Angle
10. Ricky Steamboat
11. The Rock
12. Sting
13. Chris Benoit
14. Owen Hart
15. Jake Roberts
16. Hulk Hogan
17. Scott Hall
18. British Bulldog
19. Rick Rude
20. Chris Jericho
21. Bam Bam Bigelow
22. Mick Foley
23. Eddie Guerrero
24. Rey Mysterio
25. Dean Malenko

I like seeing how different everyone's opinions are.

KiNgoFKiNgS23 · 07-13-2008, 07:42 PM

Only NA. Most of these guys are newer I have not seen enough of some of the older wrestlers.

1. Austin(Top 5 in nearly every category IMO)
2. Flair
3. Savage
4. HBK
5. Bret Hart
6. Hogan
7. Funk
8. Eddie
9. Benoit
10. Taker
11. Foley
12. HHH
13. Perfect
14. Andre
15. Malenko
16. Steamboat
17. Angle
18. Rey
19. Jericho
20. Rock
21. Owen
22. Sting
23. Pillman
24. Ted Dibiase
25. Edge

roblough · 07-13-2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AndY2J480

How Jericho is getting beaten on some of these lists by Guerrero, Mysterio and even a scumbag like Benoit is beyond me. I don't have international or old-school wrestling knowledge to make icho has mone of these lists, but I know that if I were to create one Benoit would be expelled from it based on principle. And as for Guerrero and Mysterio, both are talented wrestlers, but I'd say Jericho has more 4 and 5 star matches than either and is far superior on the mic.

Definitely agree. After what Benoit did it kind of makes being a great wrestler pale into insignificance. As for Jericho, he is definitely better than Mysterio, not so sure about Guerrero, and i'm not just saying that cos he is deceased. Guerrero was the epitome of a modern wrestler, he could talk a great game and wrestle a great game in equal measures, and his charisma is unparalleled. I'm surprised Angle isn't higher up on some people's lists as well, he definitely deserves it and is another one of the modern greats.

By the way i'm not going to make a list because I don't know enough about independent/Japanese promotions to make an informed decision.

**Seb91** · 07-13-2008, 08:02 PM

1. Ric Flair

2. Shawn Michaels

3. Steve Austin

4. Hulk Hogan

5. The Rock

6. Bret Hart

7. Randy Savage

8. Eddie Guerrero

9. Mr Perfect

10. Kurt Angle

11. The Undertaker

12. Triple H

13. Ricky Steamboat

14. Lou Thesz

15. Sting

16. Mick Foley

17. Chris Benoit

18. Scott Hall

19. Rey Mysterio

20. Ted Dibiase

21. Owen Hart

22. Chris Jericho

23. Brian Pillman

24. Terry Funk

25. Dusty Rhodes

imo.

Michaels will surpass Flair by the end of his career, as he'll no doubt continue to have ****+ matches. The likes of Funk and Thesz, I haven't seen that much of but they impressed me enough to make my list. All things considered, done by all round ability.

Randy Savage fan · 07-14-2008, 05:22 AM

from what i have seen in my time my list is this.

1.Ric Flair
2.Hulk Hogan
3.Andre The Giant
4.Terry Funk
5.Bret Hart
6.Stone Cold Steve Austin
7.Verne Gagne
8.Nick Bockwinkel
9.Bruno Sammartino
10.Harley Race
11.Sting
12.Randy Savage
13.Curt Hennig
14.Eddie Guerrero
15.Chris Benoit
16.Mick Foley
17.Dusty Rhodes
18.Ricky Steamboat
19.The Undertaker
20.Tully Blanchard
21.The Rock
22.HHH
23.Raven
24.Jake Roberts
25.Jeff Jarrett

people who just missed out - Owen Hart, Arn Anderson, Dean Malenko, British Bulldog, Kurt Angle, Brain Pillman, Chris Jericho