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Nate Essex · 05-16-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mjuww

John Cenas has been making comments about the Rock again.

http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/p...e1001437.shtml

TBH John Cena's talking a whole lot of bullshit, for a start i'm pretty sure Rock wanted to be a profesional football who fell back on wrestling when he didnt make it and when he did enter profesional wrestling i'm pretty sure the Rock worked as hard as anyone to get himself into the position he ended up in, so he wasnt a failed spoiled football player either, and i'll say this no one who aspires to be an actor in his right mind would choose wrestling as a gateway to get their because its virtually impossible to transition from a wrestler into an actor, the only person that has managed to do it successfully is the Rock, an no Mr Nanny Hulk Hogan doesnt count as being a succesful actor.

John Cena in his comments about the Rock comes across as a guy who is jealous of the Rocks success, and my god does the guy try to lick the shit of off fans arses and i thought it was his only his character that was a suck up.

This isn't newsworthy. Why? Cena's own hometown hates him while the world of wrestling misses the Rock to the point where off brand haters/fans alike having debates like this thread in pretty much any forum or dicussion venue there is on pro wrestling. A self made legend>WWE hyped project aka John Cena. Cena isn't even bigger than Jeff Hardy right now. That's more pathetic than anyone can possibly understand.

Oh yeah, Admiremyclone. I see what your gimmick is now. You think by being the critical Rock fan that you come off better than one who doesn't want to bash the shit out of him to put over Stone Cold. That's cool but it's not gonna change history. Austin is a god in pro wrestling but do any kind of mainstream poll outside of the wrestling venue and you'll see who they recognized as the top guy of that era.

royalrumble · 05-16-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by admiremyclone

Ok, as far as Breakdown was concerned...Rock actually had a normal entrance and he got a great pop for sure. The live crowd had already seen Austin on Heat before the show, AND he didn't even make a formal entrance which is why there was no pop. He attacked Undertaker from behind.

You spoke to me in this last post as if you thought i was a huge Austin mark. Ask Austin 101 if i'm an Austin mark, he will confirm that i am most definitely NOT. I don't particularly love the guy, but as i've said before i'm able to appreciate him now that i've gone back and watched old stuff.

The Rock will always be my favourite. BUT, that doesn't mean i'm just going to believe he was the biggest thing since sliced bread. He is definitely one of the greatest of all time. But history is history, and history shows us that NOBODY could touch Austin in 1998 and the first half of 1999.

Nobody will argue that Rocky wasn't over when he was the Corporate Champ, and that's because as a heel was was hilarious and i love watching it. The fans wanted him to turn face and then when he did the crowd reactions grew and grew. In the second half of 1999, his crowd reactions at times equaled Austin's. And when they started giving Austin less time on the mic (because they were preparing for him leaving for surgery, which you've just totally ignored), they pushed Rock more and then he became the biggest star in 2000.

I would LOVE to just say that my all-time favourite guy was the most popular guy ever. But i'm not going to ignore reality; Rock may be remembered more fondly now to some people, but back then he was always second to Austin in popularity.

Edit - When it came to promos, Rock definitely had the crowd in the palm of his hand. Austin only had two phrases that the crowd could participate in - "And that's the bottom line..." and "Gimme a Hell Yeah..." whereas The Rock had a million that the crowd could sing along to. I guarantee that if Austin had a million different phrases then the crowds would have been right there singing along with him. Things can be deceiving, off promos alone it would look like Rock was more over, but it wasn't necessarily the case.

this dude thinks just because he says he is a 'rock fan' he can underestimate the great one. ofcourse austin got bigger pops in 98 because the rock was just emerging back then, you think austin used to get the same pops in his ringmaster days or in hollywood blonds? and in 99 when he was outpopping austin you say thats because austin got less time on mic? oh you really sound like a dumbass. and if austin had millions more phrases? wtf do you think before the rock anyone would have thought words like roody poo would become a catch phrase? you really are doing a terrible job of disguising yourself as a rock mark tbh. if rock was to return today he would still have fans in the palm of his hands unlike austin who even tried the beer truck again in 2007 and couldn't get much of a reaction.

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Originally Posted by mjuww
John Cenas has been making comments about the Rock again.

http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/p...e1001437.shtml

TBH John Cena's talking a whole lot of bullshit, for a start i'm pretty sure Rock wanted to be a profesional football who fell back on wrestling when he didnt make it and when he did enter profesional wrestling i'm pretty sure the Rock worked as hard as anyone to get himself into the position he ended up in, so he wasnt a failed spoiled football player either, and i'll say this no one who aspires to be an actor in his right mind would choose wrestling as a gateway to get their because its virtually impossible to transition from a wrestler into an actor, the only person that has managed to do it successfully is the Rock, an no Mr Nanny Hulk Hogan doesnt count as being a succesful actor.

John Cena in his comments about the Rock comes across as a guy who is jealous of the Rocks success, and my god does the guy try to lick the shit of off fans arses and i thought it was his only his character that was a suck up.

every interview cena gives he sounds more and more of a chump, now the reason he hates rock is he thinks that when he says he wont leave for movies people don't believe it, what a retard.

wintergirl1223 · 05-16-2008, 05:40 PM

I'll remember "THE ROCK" for the way he was. I could care less about what he does now. I do give him credit though for staying away instead of coming back, and becoming a watered-down shell of his former self like so many have recently.

royalrumble · 05-16-2008, 06:07 PM

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I'm not a Rock mark, I was his fan from 98 to early 00 however. I don't call him a sellout simply because it makes sence for him to want to move on from all the physical agony wrestlers go through. That's not the main point I want to make. Has anyone thought about the possibility that maybe something did happen that pissed the Rock off at the WWE and made him decide to leave? I think that is a possibiity. In one of his interviewers which I saw on youtube, which was with a British host, he replied to a question if he was physically injured and said no, just emotionally. They were making jokes through out the entire show so maybe he was just kidding, but I don't think so. If you're interested in the interview, all the details I know is that it was the second time he went on this talk show and later in the episode he did sit ups on a medicine ball. I'm sure it's still up on youtube.

the reason rock doesnt make any more wwe apparance is because they let his contract expire in late 2004without even letting him know while he was gearing up for wm21, wwe basically said we dont want you anymore to the rock.

this is his quote from 2005

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Well, contractually, my contract was up, it came and went last year, at the end of the year last year, and it was an interesting way it all came out. I wasn't contacted or notified or anything like that. It wasn't until my own team had basically congratulated me [saying], 'Oh my God, what a wonderful career you've had. Congratulations!' It's like, 'Really. It's done?' I wish it would have gone down a little bit different. For that part, I'm sad about it…"

A follow-up question is asked about whether The Rock was simply dropped from WWE without an offer of a contract extension. "It was never brought up. Yeah, basically. And I was over in Prague, as my man there was saying, filming, and again, it was just one of those things that kinda like hit like a ton of bricks. Because again, my own team, my managers and everybody, they're congratulating me. It moved me, because I had so much love from them, I thought well…"

Powder · 05-16-2008, 06:27 PM

If Disney offered to pay my cheques I'd drop Vince and the wwe without even thinking about it.

Whether it's playing a character while wearing tights and performing stunt choreography infront of an audience, to playing a character in front of the big screen and entertaining a theatre audience, entertainment is entertainment, and Dwayne Johnson did what any type of entertainer would do. Move on up.

**admiremyclone** · 05-17-2008, 12:39 PM

Nate Essex & royalrumble - I have never ever hidden the fact that i'm a mark for The Rock. He's my all-time favourite and always will be. I think Stone Cold is ok, but i don't like him that much. I'm not trying to act as if i'm better because i'm being critical...first of all i'm not even being critical of Rock. He never did anything wrong in my eyes and he'll always be the greatest.

The thing i said about Rock getting bigger pops at the end of 1999 because they were giving Stone Cold less time...it was something that actually happened and it was smart on WWE's part. Austin was about to leave for surgery so they built up the second biggest guy at time, The Rock. That way, when Austin finally left it didn't feel as empty without him because Rocky was main eventing and everyone was loving him. That isn't a criticism or a rumor, that's just what happened and that was smart.

When someone posts something and people disagree, it makes me laugh when people attack that person and say he has a gimmick...that's the biggest load of crap i've ever heard. There isn't a gimmick, i'm just taking part in a discussion on a forum. I will never ever let my admiration for The Rock get in the way of fact. I'm not a blind lover, i can accept quite happily that he was second fiddle to Austin for most of his career. I'm not upset about it, because it was VERY VERY close in terms of who was most popular. It's just petty to be arguing over who was getting bigger pops at certain times etc.
Excluding Hogan, they arguably the two biggest superstars ever. And that aint' bad. So please, everyone lighten up and stop getting so worked up!

lordlubo · 05-17-2008, 01:51 PM

i know its not wrestling but lets hope with Scott Weiland rejoining Stone Temple Pilots the original Guns N Fuckin Roses reform and for what its worth i love Austin and Dwayne but i think Austin was bigger but Dwaynes legacy lives as he refuses to come back like Steve so if he decides to come back it will be to massive props

**Austin101** · 05-17-2008, 03:01 PM

Everything admiremyclone has said is right.

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royalrumble · 05-17-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by admiremyclone

Nate Essex & royalrumble - I have never ever hidden the fact that i'm a mark for The Rock. He's my all-time favourite and always will be. I think Stone Cold is ok, but i don't like him that much. I'm not trying to act as if i'm better because i'm being critical...first of all i'm not even being critical of Rock. He never did anything wrong in my eyes and he'll always be the greatest.

The thing i said about Rock getting bigger pops at the end of 1999 because they were giving Stone Cold less time...it was something that actually happened and it was smart on WWE's part. Austin was about to leave for surgery so they built up the second biggest guy at time, The Rock. That way, when Austin finally left it didn't feel as empty without him because Rocky was main eventing and everyone was loving him. That isn't a criticism or a rumor, that's just what happened and that was smart.

When someone posts something and people disagree, it makes me laugh when people attack that person and say he has a gimmick...that's the biggest load of crap i've ever heard. There isn't a gimmick, i'm just taking part in a discussion on a forum. I will never ever let my admiration for The Rock get in the way of fact. I'm not a blind lover, i can accept quite happily that he was second fiddle to Austin for most of his career. I'm not upset about it, because it was VERY VERY close in terms of who was most popular. It's just petty to be arguing over who was getting bigger pops at certain times etc.
Excluding Hogan, they arguably the two biggest superstars ever. And that aint' bad. So please, everyone lighten up and stop getting so worked up!

dude are you retarded or something? what has austin gettin less time gotta do with rock getting more cheers? by your retarded logic austin got more cheers in 98 because he was main eventing and not the rock?

**admiremyclone** · 05-17-2008, 03:28 PM

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dude are you retarded or something? what has austin gettin less time gotta do with rock getting more cheers? by your retarded logic austin got more cheers in 98 because he was main eventing and not the rock?

This is why it's almost impossible to have an intelligent, mature conversation with someone on this forum. I don't understand how what i said didn't make sense.

In mid-late 1999, WWE found themselves in the position of having two HUGE stars in Stone Cold and The Rock. As the year went on, they knew that Austin had to leave for neck surgery and that he'd be gone almost a year. Seeing as Austin was the biggest draw they'd ever had, they couldn't risk just taking him off tv and THEN trying to build Rock up even more. Granted, The Rock didn't need that much build, but they did the smart thing and in the last month or so before Austin left they gave The Rock a LOT more mic/screen time so that everyone could really get into him and see what he could offer. It worked, because everybody pretty much loved him. At the same time, Austin wasn't being as much of a badass or doing crazy things like he used to. He wasn't getting stale, but they cooled his character off and focused a bit more on Rocky. So, Austin left but by then Rock was so popular that the company was able to have a new leading man for most of 2000 while Stone Cold was gone. It was pretty basic but logical strategy.

EDIT - why of why do people have to start resorting to stupid insults when they don't agree with someone?! Gimmick poster, retard etc...that's really sad. I'm not attacking anyone, nor should you.