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Scorpia · 05-15-2008, 06:36 PM

Who cares? We all know they will never step foot in that ring to wrestle again. Get over it.

Ken-na-deh · 05-15-2008, 06:55 PM

Good decision for Dwayne himself, I'm sure it will help poke his name out a bit more.

royalrumble · 05-15-2008, 07:33 PM

everytime austin comes back he gets less and less reactions, everytime the rock comes back he has fans wanting for some more, he is just better, can reinvent himself, just after his hollywood heel run when he returned sporadically he used to get attitude era pops,so dont make pathetic argument that fans want him back coz hes gone for too long.

**Austin101** · 05-15-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by royalrumble

everytime austin comes back he gets less and less reactions, everytime the rock comes back he has fans wanting for some more, he is just better, can reinvent himself, just after his hollywood heel run when he returned sporadically he used to get attitude era pops,so dont make pathetic argument that fans want him back coz hes gone for too long.

He's just better?

Now? Sure.

All time? Not a fucking chance. Steve blew him away in the ring and overall his promo's were more creative then Rocky's. See ECW shoot promo's, see his early WWF work (on the last page of this thread) among others. But Rock was great to, overall it's CLOSE when the total package but to say Rock is just better is a joke.

**admiremyclone** · 05-16-2008, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Nate Essex

The only one with a selective memory is you. I have this entire run on DVD and you are easily underscoring the Rock's reactions and impact. It's to be expected though since you fit the mold I mentioned before. No revisionist can change the Rock being more over in that Rock, This is Your Life segment than Austin's whole run that year. Nothing. And it's on the record because the ratings for that are legendary.

At Breakdown '98, the Rock blew that crowd away. Austin did not. Austin was the only face they had who stayed really over against Corporate Rock though because they kept chanting Rocky in all of those rematches he had with Foley leading to WM 15. The first Smackdown? 3 nights after the Rock turned himself face, what happens? He and Austin team up and Austin intially gets the huge Austin chant when he's in the ring but the crowd chants Rocky endlessly as soon as the Rock gets tagged in. This is filed. There is no debate on the matter. You and Austin101 can lead these childeren astray with false depictions of the past but not me. Doesn't work like that. I must commend you in thinking you could change the past though. Very cute.

Rock turned face? Video games done in tribute to him. All the music is marketed with him on the cover. Smackdown becomes his playground because it's named after him. After 2000, he was bigger than the industry. He helped put Austin back majorly over in 2001@ Mania and gave Hogan the last of his big returns after he was a non factor in the business for two years. That's who the Rock is. The guy that bridged your favorites and kept them acceptable as he stood there and put things on his back. And what I mean by him putting over Austin, Austin fans, is that the Rock was still the leader of the WWF until that match. He wrestled more and was in all the main events while Austin did more segments and wrestled once a week. Rock took 4 months off and that established Austin concretely into history as a legend. Of course it worked for the Rock as well since he returned to a hero's welcome and turned a 4.4 rating from one week without him to his hyped return getting a 5.7. That's why he gets Icon vs Icon matches and the Lesnar payoff was to go against him. It was best for business.

Ok, as far as Breakdown was concerned...Rock actually had a normal entrance and he got a great pop for sure. The live crowd had already seen Austin on Heat before the show, AND he didn't even make a formal entrance which is why there was no pop. He attacked Undertaker from behind.

You spoke to me in this last post as if you thought i was a huge Austin mark. Ask Austin 101 if i'm an Austin mark, he will confirm that i am most definitely NOT. I don't particularly love the guy, but as i've said before i'm able to appreciate him now that i've gone back and watched old stuff.

The Rock will always be my favourite. BUT, that doesn't mean i'm just going to believe he was the biggest thing since sliced bread. He is definitely one of the greatest of all time. But history is history, and history shows us that NOBODY could touch Austin in 1998 and the first half of 1999.

Nobody will argue that Rocky wasn't over when he was the Corporate Champ, and that's because as a heel was was hilarious and i love watching it. The fans wanted him to turn face and then when he did the crowd reactions grew and grew. In the second half of 1999, his crowd reactions at times equaled Austin's. And when they started giving Austin less time on the mic (because they were preparing for him leaving for surgery, which you've just totally ignored), they pushed Rock more and then he became the biggest star in 2000.

I would LOVE to just say that my all-time favourite guy was the most popular guy ever. But i'm not going to ignore reality; Rock may be remembered more fondly now to some people, but back then he was always second to Austin in popularity.

Edit - When it came to promos, Rock definitely had the crowd in the palm of his hand. Austin only had two phrases that the crowd could participate in - "And that's the bottom line..." and "Gimme a Hell Yeah..." whereas The Rock had a million that the crowd could sing along to. I guarantee that if Austin had a million different phrases then the crowds would have been right there singing along with him. Things can be deceiving, off promos alone it would look like Rock was more over, but it wasn't necessarily the case.

bo3abed2 · 05-16-2008, 09:06 AM

I'm not a Rock mark, I was his fan from 98 to early 00 however. I don't call him a sellout simply because it makes sence for him to want to move on from all the physical agony wrestlers go through. That's not the main point I want to make. Has anyone thought about the possibility that maybe something did happen that pissed the Rock off at the WWE and made him decide to leave? I think that is a possibiity. In one of his interviewers which I saw on youtube, which was with a British host, he replied to a question if he was physically injured and said no, just emotionally. They were making jokes through out the entire show so maybe he was just kidding, but I don't think so. If you're interested in the interview, all the details I know is that it was the second time he went on this talk show and later in the episode he did sit ups on a medicine ball. I'm sure it's still up on youtube.

**admiremyclone** · 05-16-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bo3abed2

I'm not a Rock mark, I was his fan from 98 to early 00 however. I don't call him a sellout simply because it makes sence for him to want to move on from all the physical agony wrestlers go through. That's not the main point I want to make. Has anyone thought about the possibility that maybe something did happen that pissed the Rock off at the WWE and made him decide to leave? I think that is a possibiity. In one of his interviewers which I saw on youtube, which was with a British host, he replied to a question if he was physically injured and said no, just emotionally. They were making jokes through out the entire show so maybe he was just kidding, but I don't think so. If you're interested in the interview, all the details I know is that it was the second time he went on this talk show and later in the episode he did sit ups on a medicine ball. I'm sure it's still up on youtube.

I remember this, it was Friday Night with Jonathan Ross, it was a month or two ago. I remember the comment about being injured emotionally. Maybe he just didn't like being on the road most of the year away from family.

**Riddle101** · 05-16-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin101

False despictions?

Give it up.

Vince McMahon will even tell you that know one turned business around more then Steve Austin. It's a FACT actually that he is the biggest Draw in WWF history. Sold the most merchandise, even though Rock came out with more material, nothing could catch on like Austin 3:16 did, which sold every 32 seconds worldwide from 1997 to 1998.

He also made the ratings jump a whole two and half points. You talk about Smackdown being named after The Rock. Well yeah, Rock is a huge draw. But the ATTITUDE ERA basically named after Austin.

enough said.

Vince McMahon? I wouldn't trust Vince McMahon to make a true statment i mean he thinks John Cena is God now and you just have to look at what he's like with the top dogs. He's always being picky about who he wants to get behind and always turns a blind eye to them
Shawn Micheals
Stone Cold
Undertaker
Triple H

They've all been in McMahon's good books and i would say more then everything that he would choose them over The Rock simply because they stayed with the business.

As for who was more poular between Rock and Austin, i'd have to say they were on the same scale i mean come on, they both made the Attitude era, they were like Ying and Yang, Good Versus Evil and the X-men Versus the Bortherhood of Mutants. They've had their ups and their downs and have both out popped each other on different occasions. The This Is Your Life segment is quite possibly the biggest rated segment in WWE history, even more then when Stone Cold came out with the Beer Truck and it was during The Rock/Mankind match that WWE won the Monday Night War. That being said i'm not choosing sides but to see people turn on The Rock is just sickening for me to see, he's given you the best year sof his life, entetained the hell out of you and has done nothing but good for WWE and all people can say The Rock is a sellout.

Let me ask you guys something, Why should The Rock come back, i mean with so many ungrateful fans who just turned on him so quickly it kind've tells me that some people are afrtaid to forget the past. Oh i seem to remember everyone saying they wanted to see The Rock at the Hall Of Fame and as soon as he comes everyone is like he didn't appear at Wrestlemania, honestly there's no pleasing anyone in the IWC

Boss P · 05-16-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by green25814

Find me someone whos a fan of Dwayne Johnston, but not the wrestling character 'the rock'. I guarantee that you wont.

The millions of children and parents who saw 'The Game Plan' would certainly disagree with you.

Just who do you think went to see that movie? You think it was a bunch of 21 year old men who remember him from the attitude era?

Use your head.

**-TheEnigma-** · 05-16-2008, 02:22 PM

John Cenas has been making comments about the Rock again.

http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/p...e1001437.shtml

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John Cena was asked in a UK Sun interview whether there was any heat between he and Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson at the WWE Hall of Fame ceremony given Cena's critical comments. "No, because there was no problem or controversy—and Rock is first and foremost a gentlemen," Cena said.

"...And Rock is one of those guy who gave the 'I've wanted to do this all my life' speech, but in actuality he wanted to be an actor. Now trust me, that is totally fine with me. It's OK. But just don't say one thing and do another. Because our fans are extremely loyal and when yo do that it pisses me off.

"All of us work so hard to make the show as good as it can be. So it's hard when people give the impression of 'this is the greatest gig in the world' and then jump ship to make movies. Now I have every interviewer in the world asking me when I'm leaving to make movies. And the answer is I'm never doing that, because I love wrestling more than I do movies.

"It's guys like that who set the precedent of using wrestling as a stepping stone to do films. But there's no controversy to any of that—as Rock is a successful actor and that's what he has always wanted to be."

TBH John Cena's talking a whole lot of bullshit, for a start i'm pretty sure Rock wanted to be a profesional football who fell back on wrestling when he didnt make it and when he did enter profesional wrestling i'm pretty sure the Rock worked as hard as anyone to get himself into the position he ended up in, so he wasnt a failed spoiled football player either, and i'll say this no one who aspires to be an actor in his right mind would choose wrestling as a gateway to get their because its virtually impossible to transition from a wrestler into an actor, the only person that has managed to do it successfully is the Rock, an no Mr Nanny Hulk Hogan doesnt count as being a succesful actor.

John Cena in his comments about the Rock comes across as a guy who is jealous of the Rocks success, and my god does the guy try to lick the shit of off fans arses and i thought it was his only his character that was a suck up.