After last night, it's evident there is no high standard or criteria that needs to be met to win a world title. The only title that meant a thing in the company is dead. What's left for fan favorites to achieve?
Win a title Jinder fucking Mahal has held?
Win a title that looks like a children's toy?
Main event WM? Fat chance of that happening with Roman penciled in to face part timers there for the next decade.
Why should fans stick around to watch their favorites? The stories are horrific, the goals are either meaningless or are impossible to achieve. Frankly, I'd rather see my favorites wrestling somewhere where their work would improve, the stories would be more logical and wouldn't leave you shaking your head in disbelief.
Its funny how when fans dont get what they want, the start saying they arent watching or asking why they should stick around.
And they always end up sticking around anyway.
Lets skip past the usual BS and fast forward to the point where you just accept the Era of the Maharaja. He is the best WWE champion we have had in a while.
I'm sorry that I have standards and think it's incredibly stupid to turn a career jobber into a champion within the space of a month.
Now that it's been established there are no standards for the title, maybe they may as well had gotten Ellsworth to go over AJ. That would have made headlines around the world. Shock is what we want...
One guy wins a prop and the same users create threads one after another whining and crying about how much they hated it. Just take a break from WWE, maybe? You're not always gonna have your favorites being champ. This is the same guy who made threads after threads about the Shield guys then Balor and now he's doing it with Mahal. Your AJ Styles is not going to be champ all the time. Deal with it
Over the past few months so much joy for wrestling has died for me. I honestly don't know why I watch WWE. I guess it's to keep up with my few favourites. But the amount of pleasure I get compared to the constant feeling of being disappointed or underwhelmed is almost nothing. I'm not even upset Jinder won, I wanted him to. The path this title has been on has been horrible since the day after Cena took it from AJ. Bray winning it sounded great at the time, but it was a mistake. That lead to Randy Orton of all people winning the 2017 Royal Rumble, which to me ruined that event. Not someone new or interesting, "oh damn they went with that guy?! I wanna see how this goes." Nope, instead it was Randy Orton getting some sort of pat on the back for putting over the business killer Brock Lesnar.
The WWE managed to fuck up a program between Ambrose (my 2nd favourite and AJ (my 4th) by inserting James Elsworth. On that matter they actually managed to also fuck up Dean Ambrose's first title win by giving him Dolph fucking Ziggler to beat, until they took it off and gave it to AJ. I had one small period of happiness as an Ambrose fan when he cashed in, and then months of crap.
I wonder if Roman, Cena, Lesner, or some other part timer will win the rumble.
The problem here is this, even when you want to stay, because your favorites are there and you want to watch what they are doing, why would you? I am an Ambrose fan, and I want to see what he is doing, but the reality is that what he is doing, is some midcard bullshit that isnt worth a damn. The same goes for everyone else, Owens, Zayn, Rollins, AJ and whoever else, unless you are a fan of someone before 2005, or a part timer, or Roman Reigns, the product isnt for you, because the creative team dont try for you.
This is entertainment. If you're not entertained, no one's forcing you to watch. Lamenting "the loss of credibility" of a title and pouting about it won't get you anywhere. Vince sees money in Jinder, therefore he's giving him a run. Take comfort in AJ helming the mid card. Jinder's a new champion and his ensuing reign should be judged on its merits, not prejudged by those with a transparent agenda.
Why should fans stick around to watch their favorites? The stories are horrific, the goals are either meaningless or are impossible to achieve. Frankly, I'd rather see my favorites wrestling somewhere where their work would improve and the stories would be more logical and wouldn't leave you shaking your head in disbelief.
Why don't you stop watching then? I watch the product even though I don't enjoy a lot of it, but I wouldn't watch it if it had me on the verge of tears like you seem to be.
You have NJPW which you actually like, why not just watch that if WWE has you so depressed?
I've drastically cut back on my WWE watching. Jinder winning the belt is out there but not the end of the world. It's just Vince being Vince. He's screwed us all over at some point. I'm whatever at this point. If the product were hot, I'd be more invested but most of the characters/angles are sterile.
Jinder's win and the rage over it is funny though.
I would argue Jinder Mahal's STORY with his mic work and about his culture is a better story than anything Orton and Bray put on in the last couple months together. By that logic, the story was better. Somebody being a Patriotic hero chasing Jinder as champion is more of a story than the WWE championship has produced in a while, more specifically since AJ Styles lost the belt.
Literally any babyface that challenges Jinder has to challenge Jinders ethics and it's a workable story.
If Jinder had been built up to it, it may have worked.
Instead we have a career jobber who hasn't had a single big clean win in his career to justify him holding the belt. Someone who couldn't even go over midcarders like Zayn clean.
I know he's heel, but he still needs some significant wins before giving him the title. He was a career jobber like a month back..
I'd just like to point out that Vince McMahon was WWE Champion.
Don't get me wrong, I think that Jinder getting this push from out of nowhere is fucking stupid. At least build up the dude's credibility a little bit before pulling the trigger, but that's an entirely separate argument...
At the end of the day, however you look at it, championships in pro wrestling are props. Yes, it means something that the company has enough faith in you as a performer to be "champion", but it doesn't change the fact that every belt in this industry is a "prop" being used in a storyline.
The universal title is the worst one. It's ONLY for people that make Vince's dick hard to look at. It was great the Finn got to be the first, but it's destined to be in the hands of Roman/Brock/HHH/Part-timers forever.
The World title's problem is it's got too low of a bar set. Ambrose, AJ, Cena, etc are all great to carry it, but with Jinder and Bray holding it, plus Elsworth beating the champ 3 times, it's just trash.
There should be something in the middle where most people can't get it, but all the actually talented people can without a doubt hold it.
The Internet fans make up a pretty big chunk of the fan base now. What's one thing we all frequently see here? Fans arguing over the company's finances and using what makes Vince's pockets even fatter to help justify their fav's pushes. Why? Why the fuck should I care about whether or not Vince could make more money in India. He's a fucking billionaire already. Especially if it's at the expense of the quality of the product that I'm paying to watch. Unless people have stocks in the company I just can't understand the obsession. I touched on this in another thread, but people cry like babies about how much Brock makes. Who fucking cares? Are you paying him out of your pocket. People trashnthe product all the time and then turn around and get right behind any shitty idea if it makes Vince richer. The audience does have a voice and it's sometimes using to say that a shitty product is fine as long as the company makes more money.
Let's look at NXT. What was once great about it pretty much dead. It's no longer developmental. It's a place where they gobble up all the full developed talents from around the world and hold them hostage there dangling their MR dream over their head for as long as they please just letting them rot away and innsome cases get past the age where they could leave and go be great again outside of the company. But hey, NXT has to make money so it's justified. Good business decision. Keep that monopoly going at all cost. Now, I say that knowing there are still some positives. Just pointing out the specific issues I have.
We've allowed them to think they can feed us anything. And they just did. And look at the sheep flocking to say its so great just because it may give the company a chance to increase the monopoly even more.
When was the last time there was actually some standard criteria to become WWE Champion? This is a title they have literally given to people for one night. A title that has been held by such talents as Vince McMahon and Great Khali. What imaginary criteria are you using to determine who should be champion? Talent? Overness? Drawing Power? Combination thereof? The truth is these criteria haven't been relevant to who becomes WWE champion for a long time.
After tonight it's obvious there is no high standard or criteria that needs to be met to win the title. The only title that mean't a thing in the company is dead. What's left for fan favorites to achieve?
Win a title Jinder fucking Mahal has held?
Win a title that looks like a children's toy?
Main event WM? Fat chance of that happening with Roman penciled in to face part timers there for the next decade.
Why should fans stick around to watch their favorites? The stories are horrific, the goals are either meaningless or are impossible to achieve. Frankly, I'd rather see my favorites wrestling somewhere where their work would improve and the stories would be more logical and wouldn't leave you shaking your head in disbelief.
If you don't like what WWE is doing right now then go watch another promotion. Yes. Other wrestling promotions exist. Lucha Underground/Ring of Honor/Impact/NJPW/WCPW/and many many more. I watch them and IMO they're doing things that WWE doesn't do and doesn't have the issues that I personally have with the E and I'm pretty sure there's something out there that will satisfy you in the way that WWE doesn't. You vote with your time and money people. Please. Seach and enjoy it on wrestling that you'll love. We have a section on this site that's used to disscuss other wrestling outside of the E. Use it to your advantage. Bitching about the things that WWE isn't doing to please you isn't gonna do a damn thing. Never has and Never will.
And FYI I'm still watching WWE. If only because there are things that I do enjoy that's being done right now...Like NXT and the CW Division. I'm not all that bothered by Jinder winning the title because there are other things within the E that I like and care about and I focus on that.
I think I'm just now realizing how bored and disinterested I've been with the product for a long time. AJ debuted and really rekindled my interest for quite a while, but I think I'm falling back into a lull again.
What last night showed to me is that there is no filter left in WWE anymore. If you can go from being an afterthought who jobs on Superstars every week to winning the WWE Championship within a few months then it just shows there are absolutely no standards left anymore now.
The most startling thing is the can of worms this now opens. If an utter scrub like Mahal can do what he has done then who else is in line for a WWE title run? Goldust? How about Titus O'Neil? Or how about we pick a random fan from ringside and give him a shot?
Everytime you think this company can't go any higher on the stupid scale they always find a way to go one better.
In real athletics guys come out of relatively nowhere on a jobber level and hit a hot streak and win big titles. Are Gary Player,Tiger Wood,Rory McIlroys and Arnold Palmers Us Open win meaningless cause of 1 slam wonder Michael Campbell. Are,Novak Roger Federer and Rafa Nadals French Open any less significant cause Gaston Gaudio was at jobber level and ended up winning the French Open as an unseeded player in 2004?
In "real athletics," those guys actually earn it. In fake fighting, you earn it by actually entertaining people and generating some interest. Something Jinder Mahal has never done in his life.
I half agree but not becaude jinder won it but the way he was booked. The story for it is awful . He has had zero build and has just got dumped into the title picture because he is of indian hertaige
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