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Will anyone ever get "Daniel Bryan over" again?

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Or was that just a rare occurrence. ?
 
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Re: will anyone ever get "Daniel Bryan over" again?

With the way the business is now... No.

The business in 2017 isn't what it was in 2014.

it's truly a different era with a lack of psychology where guys think 1000 flips will get them over and yet they wonder why they fail to draw a dime.

The Authority/Daniel Bryan story was original, organic, authentic, doing a replication would be off it had psychology in it's stories, in it's characters, in it's matches in every aspect, that's why it was so over.

There's hardly any psychology today, nothing will get over until psychology becomes the main focus in the business again.
 
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Re: will anyone ever get "Daniel Bryan over" again?

Vince's challenge to himself is go get

1 get Roman three times as over
2 accomplish number one while still making WWE the brand the draw so that even a hhpotheyical 3x 2014 bryan type over Reigns leaving will not affect his company even by a penny
3 accomplish 1 and 2 by pusning Reigns as a Cena Clone, Superman with Bad promos and protecgive booking NEVER considering a heel turn or signigicant character change because.. he's vince mcmahon dammit he gets more stubborn with every fan rejection

I'd really like to see him try his hardest though.
 
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Re: will anyone ever get "Daniel Bryan over" again?

Nobody will get that over. Not because Bryan is so good, but because talent outside of Reigns are suppressed hardcore and the machine will not allow guys like Bryan to slip through the cracks. Even Bryan was a rare anomaly. Zack Ryder and Dolph Ziggler also got massive pops at one point or another but WWE managed to squash them into nothing and they will do that to anyone who tries to pull something like that ever again.
 
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Re: will anyone ever get "Daniel Bryan over" again?

Nobody is going to get Bryan over let alone or remain mostly beloved, when you have a bunch of dumbass hardcore fans who will only support you if they fill WWE is holding you down. Whether people admit it or not, some hardcore fans pride themselves on not liking what's in or what your supposed to like. Look at the support for Daniel Bryan before and after the hardcore fanbase randomly decided Bryan was being held back, there's a major difference.

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Re: will anyone ever get "Daniel Bryan over" again?

Nobody is going to get Bryan over let alone or remain mostly beloved, when you have a bunch of dumbass hardcore fans who will only support you if they fill WWE is holding you down. Whether people admit it or not, some hardcore fans pride themselves on not liking what's in or what your supposed to like. Look at the support for Daniel Braun before and after the hardcore fanbase randomly decided Bryan was being held back, there's a major difference.

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Too many indy darlings around now too.

Back then there was only Punk, he's not exactly the easiest to like and he's certainly not going to connect to casuals like an every man character who is being held down. There were Ambrose and Seth, but they weren't ready and clearly had the support of backstage.
 
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Re: will anyone ever get "Daniel Bryan over" again?

No.

D Bry is a once in a lifetime wrestler. The greatest of his generation. Only a performer of his caliber could breakthrough the micromanaged, steril WWE world. And I'm not sure who the best guy is in the next generation. That wrestler still has to emerge and could he/she even thrive in Vince's cartoon wrestling.
 
#47 ·
It would be very difficult, as Bryan's situation was pretty much the perfect storm. An insanely talented performer with many different layers to his character that was both kayfabe and legitimately being held back from greatness.

No other performer on the current roster has that combination of factors going for them. Styles and Rollins have the talent and character layers to them, but they were given lengthy title runs early on, so their really isn't a rallying point there. Zayn is also incredibly talented, but hasn't turned heel, and as a result doesn't really have the character layers that people can relate to. Ambrose, no offense intended, hasn't put in the performances to really inspire that kind of response thus far, and Roman is pretty much a combination of all of the factors mentioned above, in addition to simply not being endearing.

Nothing is impossible, but I don't see it happening in the same way again.
 
#63 ·
I'm a big Danielson fan but he's as over as anybody could've been and it didn't make a difference to the ratings or PPV buys.

Wrestling just isn't popular anymore and I'd actually consider it to be a niche product now, meaning the audience is a lot smaller therefore you can only 'get over' within the wrestling spectrum, not outside of it.
 
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Re: will anyone ever get "Daniel Bryan over" again?

Best chance is Sami, still probably won't be anywhere as over.

No comparison.

Daniel Bryan has better mic skills, has charisma, has a better build(no excuse for this either Sami is taller), has mainstream catchphrase, a critically acclaimed storyline that had meaning and involved the whole company, a unique look, etc
 
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Re: will anyone ever get "Daniel Bryan over" again?

I don't think that anyone will. It's possible but unlikely. It's not like Bryan was over anywhere near the degree og guys like Hogan Rock and Austin so if WWE wants to get guys over they should try and get people beyond the Daniel Bryan level. I don't think that's the goal though. I think the WWE has a cap that they want to put on anyone getting over because then they can say that the performers need them not the other way around.
 
#31 ·
Re: will anyone ever get "Daniel Bryan over" again?

I don't think that anyone will. It's possible but unlikely. It's not like Bryan was over anywhere near the degree og guys like Hogan Rock and Austin so if WWE wants to get guys over they should try and get people beyond the Daniel Bryan level. I don't think that's the goal though. I think the WWE has a cap that they want to put on anyone getting over because then they can say that the performers need them not the other way around.
Those guys were over huge and moved business like only The Rock can today.
 
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Re: will anyone ever get "Daniel Bryan over" again?

I PROMISE you if we go back in time to when DB lost in 18 seconds people on this forum scoffing at Zayn were laughing at what a vanilla midget geek Bryan was. "Go back to ROH!" "You can't draw unless you're built!" Nobody then saw the juggernaut YES! movement just on the horizon.

In the face of that success for Bryan, I find it remarkably arrogant to presume that Sami Zayn can't have similar success. ANYTHING can happen. Five years from now, Mojo Rawley could have scrapped his character and come back with a reintroduction to become the next John Cena mega hit. You just, don't, know.
 
#43 ·
Re: will anyone ever get "Daniel Bryan over" again?

I PROMISE you if we go back in time to when DB lost in 18 seconds people on this forum scoffing at Zayn were laughing at what a vanilla midget geek Bryan was. "Go back to ROH!" "You can't draw unless you're built!" Nobody then saw the juggernaut YES! movement just on the horizon.

In the face of that success for Bryan, I find it remarkably arrogant to presume that Sami Zayn can't have similar success. ANYTHING can happen. Five years from now, Mojo Rawley could have scrapped his character and come back with a reintroduction to become the next John Cena mega hit. You just, don't, know.
Yes Please @ the bolded.
 
#39 ·
Re: will anyone ever get "Daniel Bryan over" again?

Daniel Bryan is an overrated piece of shit. I'm sick of hearing comparisons between him and Rock and Austin. Rock and Austin transcended the business and Rock is a megastar. Bryan had half empty arenas chanting Yes and low rated Total Divas.
 
#44 ·
Re: will anyone ever get "Daniel Bryan over" again?

Daniel Bryan is an overrated piece of shit. I'm sick of hearing comparisons between him and Rock and Austin. Rock and Austin transcended the business and Rock is a megastar. Bryan had half empty arenas chanting Yes and low rated Total Divas.
Hahahaha! He's a piece of shit! That's a little harsh. Although I'm sure getting Yes chants from arenas and going home to fuck Brie Bella is better than your life so I'm sure he'll be fine.
 
#49 ·
D-Bry was a one off, almost everyone and anyone reacted positively to his run (except a few ars*holes on here). Regardless what state he was in he received a major pop, whether it was kids, women, guys, smarks, marks, every single person in the audience reacted to him and his Yes chants.

There has been nobody as over since the Attitude Era and won't be for a very long time.

I still don't think people fully appreciate how good and epic his run was. He brought in casual fans to the sport and it is one of my favourite ever runs due to his likeability and his superb work ethic inside the ring.
 
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Fans don't like supreme talents held down. Unfortunately, all the main supreme talents they have right now are near the top and not being held down in any way and none embarrassed in 18 seconds at Mania.

Bryan was a one off and one of the best things WWE ever did.

But it'll happen again and someone will come along who will be ridiculously over. This same question was asked when Punk was over too and Bryan smashed his pops put the water.
 
#57 ·
Yes it will happen at some point again, but the problem now is the WWE is actively trying to "Create" the next Daniel Bryan and I really think to this day they don't fully understand themselves why Bryan got so over in the first place. Daniel Bryan is something that happened organically and trying to "recreate" it artificially is never going to work. Until the WWE starts trying something "new" rather than trying tp recreate Daniel Bryan no one will ever get as over as Daniel Bryan.
 
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Re: will anyone ever get "Daniel Bryan over" again?

No. But it's not because there isn't guys as talented as Bryan. It's because the fans will never put the effort in for anyone else like they did for Bryan. Fans can relate more to Bryan than anyone else. Dean Ambrose, Cesaro, Sami Zayn, Nakamura, AJ Srtyles: can fans really relate to them? Not really. All of those guys have a uniqueness to them. Bryan was an everyman -- fans could relate to him. He was the opposite of what made a WWE superstar. His success has more to do with the IWC than his talent. He was a good talent, but he wasn't as great as people thought. The greatness in Danielson was the connection he built with his loyal fans from his ROH days -- the same fans that wouldn't settle for anyting but the best for his booking. That will NEVER ever happen for the guys I mentioned.
 
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Re: will anyone ever get "Daniel Bryan over" again?

No. But it's not because there isn't guys as talented as Bryan. It's because the fans will never put the effort in for anyone else like they did for Bryan. Fans can relate more to Bryan than anyone else. Dean Ambrose, Cesaro, Sami Zayn, Nakamura, AJ Srtyles: can fans really relate to them? Not really. All of those guys have a uniqueness to them. Bryan was an everyman -- fans could relate to him. He was the opposite of what made a WWE superstar. His success has more to do with the IWC than his talent. He was a good talent, but he wasn't as great as people thought. The greatness in Danielson was the connection he built with his loyal fans from his ROH days -- the same fans that wouldn't settle for anyting but the best for his booking. That will NEVER ever happen for the guys I mentioned.
Daniel Bryan is a huge draw, it wasn't because of those ROH fans, you could never become a draw in this business with just indy fans, he had those indy fans from the beginning and it wasn't until he drew the mainstream from 2012 and on that he drew, it was the Mainstream audience that he drew. there's no such thing as drawing and solely having a niche audience, Daniel Bryan wasn't a niche appeal, he was a worldwide megastar.
 
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