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Why are many WWE fans opposed to supporting other orgs?

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#1 ·
The Kenny Omega situation is showing me that wrestling fans rather have him go to the WWE and maybe flameout more so than spend the $8.75 a month for New Japan world, which streams just about every single NJPW show.

I know I have heard the excuses 'not enough time' or 'its too hard and takes too long to learn new wrestlers' but still don't understand that mindset. I became a wrestling fan towards the end of the Territory era and remember that most shows aired on Saturday or Sundays, and sometimes you had a many as 4 promotions on at the same time....and as difficult as that was, I was still able to familiarize myself with wrestlers from WWF, Crockett, CWA, AWA, and World Class all at the same time....
 
#7 ·
The Kenny Omega situation is showing me that wrestling fans rather have him go to the WWE and maybe flameout more so than spend the $8.75 a month for New Japan world, which streams just about every single NJPW show.

I know I have heard the excuses 'not enough time' or 'its too hard and takes too long to learn new wrestlers' but still don't understand that mindset. I became a wrestling fan towards the end of the Territory era and remember that most shows aired on Saturday or Sundays, and sometimes you had a many as 4 promotions on at the same time....and as difficult as that was, I was still able to familiarize myself with wrestlers from WWF, Crockett, CWA, AWA, and World Class all at the same time....
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#30 ·
Because new and different things are frightening to human beings. Thus, they'll make up a bunch of shit about what something is inferior and not worth their time DESPITE their alternative being terrible as well as something they spend the majority of their time complaining about on internet forums. I believe the rhetoric goes something like this:

"Oh New Japan has no storylines, its just midgets with no charisma doing flips, all the REAL stars are in WWE because they're the biggest, and I'm only going to watch them."

*10 minutes later*

"Holy shit does WWE suck, Roman Reigns is fucking terrible, I have to go make a thread about it, when are they going to stop pushing this no talent hack? Hey remember Attitude? Wrestling was so much better then, not like the garbage now. Stephanie McMahon is so awful, why doesn't she go away? Sasha Banks sucks ass, she's always crying and she's getting pushed too much. Why don't they push guys like Sami Zayn instead of losers like Ambrose and Rollins? Vince McMahon is so out of touch, its no wonder wrestling is so unpopular. And what about Triple H burying everyone? Man is WWE horrible."


So...they'd rather sit around and make sweeping and often flat out incorrect judgments about products they know nothing about while making up tons of reasons why they CAN'T watch and instead opt to watch a show they hate and rarely have a good thing to say about, minus the guys who came from places like NJPW or RoH (AJ, Cesaro, etc). In other words, they're completely stupid and deserve to watch a bad show.
 
#5 ·
Let me give you a little history lesson, WWF did not win the Golden Age era because they had better wrestling....Crockett was FAR better than them, they won because they marketed to 5-12 year olds.

As for today, I see better wrestling on average at Indy shows, and that is more a slight on what WWE is feeding us than what the Indy's are doing.
 
#170 · (Edited)
Are you kidding me?
1; Japanese wrestling has a far better in ring product than WWE has ever had in it's entire history. It has the stiff MMAish strong style for people for prefer less flashy shoot style matches....it has lucha libre styles....it has more traditional American styles....it has hardcore wrestling that puts ECW to shame.....

2; There several promotions that have production value on par with WWE...I would New Japan has a much better camera crew.

3; Foreign promotions travel all over the world
World Wrestling Council works in the US all the time, so does New Japan (they may not put on their own shows by they work several supercards in the US) Dragon Gate USA, AAA has Lucha Underground...

Something tells me you have never seen anything not made by WWE
 
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#10 ·
I think it's a combination of brand loyalty, lack of interest in following even more wrestling (if you're a hardcore WWE fan you're watching tons of wrestling weekly already,) blind idiocy (this one's very common,) and pure playing up to the crowd thinking it's "cool" to bash indies which it certainly seems to be on here sometimes. I generally watch all of Raw and Smackdown and ROH. I used to watch LU but I didn't like the 2nd season as much and have yet to force myself to sit through what I wasn't enjoying to get to the 3rd season which is apparently better. I watch NJPW if I can get English commentary but I can't get into it with the Japanese personally (though I'd be fine if they added subtitles) and I've started getting into 205 live a little whilst not caring anymore about NXT just because it's been stale for a while for me. Now, I'm someone who really enjoys wrestling and also watches a lot of old stuff on the network but I doubt a lot of people want to spend almost all of their free time watching wrestling and if they're already following WWE religiously then I can understand not wanting to shell out for another subscription to a wrestling company on top of all the rest of the content they're watching.
 
#18 ·
I think it's a combination of brand loyalty, lack of interest in following even more wrestling (if you're a hardcore WWE fan you're watching tons of wrestling weekly already,) blind idiocy (this one's very common,) and pure playing up to the crowd thinking it's "cool" to bash indies which it certainly seems to be on here sometimes. I generally watch all of Raw and Smackdown and ROH. I used to watch LU but I didn't like the 2nd season as much and have yet to force myself to sit through what I wasn't enjoying to get to the 3rd season which is apparently better. I watch NJPW if I can get English commentary but I can't get into it with the Japanese personally (though I'd be fine if they added subtitles) and I've started getting into 205 live a little whilst not caring anymore about NXT just because it's been stale for a while for me. Now, I'm someone who really enjoys wrestling and also watches a lot of old stuff on the network but I doubt a lot of people want to spend almost all of their free time watching wrestling and if they're already following WWE religiously then I can understand not wanting to shell out for another subscription to a wrestling company on top of all the rest of the content they're watching.
this is the main one for me, five hours of wrestling a week (eight with PPVs) is long enough. Don't want to or care to fit in more
 
#105 ·
To be honest, I do feel a lot of people are lumping all WWE fans in with each other, like we're all the same for some reason? No wrestling fan is the same as another wrestling fan, we all have different tastes.

I find it very annoying when people who clearly hate WWE and watch only indy promotions waltz into the WWE section and just sit in there badmouthing WWE, and then have the audacity to get angry when WWE fans come in to defend the promotion. What did you expect? :lol Then they call them "WWE apologists", like once I literally said I was enjoying a storyline and somebody called me a "WWE apologist mark" :lmao Apparently even enjoying one thing about WWE is terrible now lol.

It's just not that fun to be told my opinions don't matter because of what wrestling promotion is my favourite. Not fucking cool at all.
 
#276 ·
I feel sorry for the fans so mired in brand loyalty they don't bother to even give a look at other promotions..... good wrestling is good wrestling. WWE doesn't have a monopoly on that and really never has.
 
#81 ·
Brainwashing. Vince's way is the only way to have made it this big, so they think only his way can EVER or SHOULD EVER work. sad really. people get spoonfed shit for so long they think anything that ISN'T shit is shit. :piper1
 
#118 ·
From my perspective, I just enjoy mainstream American wrestling more than foreign wrestling, indies, etc.. Always have. But that doesn't mean I'm close-minded. ECW is my favorite organization ever. Followed by WCW.

Fans today are just threatened by anything not-WWE because WWE has had a monopoly on the wrestling business for so long. So they think it's BAD for something else to be out there when it's not at all. It's fucking fantastic and what the wrestling world truly needs right now because it is slowly dying.
 
#123 ·
Yeah, sure. The fans today are threatened. And the wrestling world is dying.

Just take a seat you bitter Punk mark. It's about time you get over that butthurt.

The wrestling world is in a pretty good position today. The sheer fact that this thread can be made, and is a genuine question, is evidence of that. People are able to watch these other organizations if they want to. The content is there and available for them. Plenty of wrestlers are getting exposure that they never would have gotten even 10 years ago. That's the kind of opporunity that wasn't present before.

And many people are watching these organizations, even if they may not be lighting the world on fire. They're niche products for a reason.
 
#257 ·
It's that anti-hipster mentality. If it's not mainstream, it's shit. To be fair though, I see it go the other way a lot. If it's WWE, it's shit. In reality people should have an open mind and judge things on what they actually see, and not on how big or underground they are.
 
#61 ·
If you ask me it's a combination of laziness and people just not interested in branching out and watching new stuff. It's just like how people say the music business sucks now, and how Rock music is dead, but they won't branch out a listen to new bands or music because they don't want to leave their comfort zone. For many wrestling fans in the US, WWE is the only one worth watching because it's the most easily accessed of wrestling, and they have a large global presence. People don't want to watch New Japan, or go to an indy promotion show because they either don't know much about them, or they don't want to bother because it's not WWE, and they're not on tv each week. Even TNA has a hard time getting fans due to a lack of brand recognition, and people not wanting to try it.

In any case I think it's better to say that there are two types of fans now. WWE wrestling fans and pure wrestling fans. WWE fans will only watch WWE content and for them WWE is enough, while pure fans like all aspects of pro wrestling and will branch out and watch other promotions like New Japan and TNA.
 
#82 · (Edited)
A lot of people are flat out brainwashed and refuse to believe theres anything else out there.
It's great marketing by WWE to make people think they're the only game in town.


But no. As far as actual wrestling, WWE isn't even top 5. Now production value WWE is king.
So people seem to be fans of good lighting, pyro and camera work ... more than actual wrestling fans.
 
#94 ·
A lot of people are flat out brainwashed and refuse to believe theres anything else out there.
It's great marketing by WWE to make people think they're the only game in town.


But no. As far as actual wrestling, WWE isn't even top 5. Now production value WWE is king.
So people seem to be fans or good lighting, pyro and camera work ... more than actual wrestling fans.
it is pure brainwashing, i saw the highlights of the uk championship thingy and good lord the genericism of the people involved was laughable and yet wwe fanboys mark out over it but if this show had been done by roh or tna they would be bashing the blandness of it all.

as for production, i don't think they are even the best at that, i personally see lucha underground's tv series style production better than wwe's backstage scenes, as for pyro i have to laugh at how grown wwe fans still fall for that shit, maybe the generalisation of adult wwe fans being stuck down in their parent's basement is true seeing as how amazed they get of seeing a bunch of fireworks go off.

on the subject of wwe fans supposedly choosing wwe over other shows, the one that really takes the biscuit is when their reason for dismissing other show for wwe is because they have this idea that wwe is the number 1 show for characters and storylines in wrestling....... are you fucking kidding me!!! wwe is one of the blandest wrestling shows going, how many times have we seen wwe sign other promotion's talent whilst they have looked red hot only for wwe to turn them into an unforgettable borefest like bullet club's anderson/gallows/devitt, bully ray and alberto patron, i don't watch njpw a whole lot and haven't even the omega/okada match but the reputation of njpw being all about generic looking wrestlers with good workrate is bs, they actually have some great looking characters and storylines to their feuds.
 
#96 ·
Does noone else think it's a bit ridiculous that half the WWE only fans act like it's the best promotion whilst also slamming/bashing it constantly as shit? So you just don't like wrestling or sports entertainment in any form and like hating WWE online. That's just sad tbh. As someone who still actually enjoys WWE as well as other wrestling I think the majority of those people just look a bit pathetic. "WWE is king, but it's shit and I hate it, but I won't watch anything else because it's king" :eek:kay
 
#97 ·
its annoying of course but its as annoying to see someone saying look i like this, you should like this whilst on a section of the forum they claim to hate

i personally see no issue with only liking the e or liking a variety, but people trying to act high and mighty about what they like are the worst, like indie music fans
 
#225 · (Edited)
My opinion on this is pretty simple.

Watch what you like and don't worry about whatever anyone else is watching. If your favorite non-WWE promotion(s) gain stronger footholds in the US and worldwide, and the product is appealing to fans worldwide, more fans will watch.

I barely even watch WWE, I'll watch some TNA for the Broken Hardy segments on youtube, and may check out the occasional New Japan match when it's recommended, so maybe I'm not the best person to ask because I am no longer a hardcore wrestling fan (as in watch 6-10 hours of wrestling a week) but I just feel these types of questions are pointless because you are basically asking people why don't they like what I like. We are all individuals with individual preferences.

" I mean, if you really want something that bad, you'll find a way. Obviously many WWE fans aren't that I terraced, but to sit here and bash a company because it's isn't your cup of tea to justify not watching it is laughable. "

Sorry I added this later or would have quoted it, but you even say if you want something that bad you'll find a way, right? So obviously not that many people want to watch it that bad. If they did, they'd find a way/put the time in to watch.

Also, why is it laughable to not watch a product that is not your cup of tea? I'm not going to waste time watching TV/sports/wrestling that I don't like. Although I will say blindly bashing something you aren't fully informed on is kind of laughable (which I do think is the case for some people).

But I guess I just don't understand the mentality of people who think other fans have to like what they like.
 
#263 ·
I understand language barrier being an issue if you're trying to get into New Japan, but by God, once you get used to it there's nothing more satisfying than listening to Japanese announcers screaming their fuckin' brains off at nearly every high-impact move in the later stages of a match :lmao

MASAKA, MASAKA, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA STYRUZU KURASHAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
#264 ·
The Japanese commentary is awesome. Even though I don't understand it. A lot of people watched Wrestle Kingdom twice to hear it in both English and Japanese.

Obviously it's a barrier to a lot of people. Thats why NJPW are desperate to have English commentary at as many events as possible this year.

No more Corino though :cry
 
#14 · (Edited by Moderator)
Um..Kushida, Young Bucks, Gorillas of Destiny, The Rainmaker, Naito, Tanashi, Ishii, Will Osprey, Ricochet and even at his age, Jushin Liger still can go...That is some deep talent that can go in anyones org.

As for New Japan's storylines, I live subtitles, lol

Because nobody cares about that, unless you are a fatty boy who spends all his life watching some japanese guy doing chops.
Other companies don't have a decent production level either and they don't go to foreign places to do houseshows.
Here is the thing, I watch just about everything I can get my hands on...clips and such...and the workrate in WWE if far inferior to the current crop of major promotions not named TNA.
 
#19 ·
Because other organizations are irrelevant, if you're not the number one company in town you're nobody.
 
#34 · (Edited)
I don't watch WWE anymore (maybe after Rumble and until Mania - I tried watching this week, but gave up), but for me...

I prefer the entertainment side to the wrestling side. I don't watch WWE anymore because it's too much wrestling. I mean, match after match after match for no reason. BUT, I'll tune in on RTWM and certain PPV's just because of nostalgia, and because IF a company will push "sports entertainment", it will be WWE. Someone mentioned indy "haters" earlier, and I guess I fall into that category. I'm not a fan of Indy wrestling (unless you count original ECW) because it bores me, and that's all WWE is to me now.... only without the same match quality. It's literally the worst of both worlds now.

The language barrier is certainly another thing. As is not wanting to learn a new roster.

I'm also not big on strong style. I'm not sure why, though.

But all in all, I agree. If someone likes WRESTLING and only watches WWE, it doesn't make much sense. WWE has banned so much that there's really not much the wrestlers can do but put on the same match over and over. WWE has traditionally been all I care to watch because of the entertainment/storyline value (though, that's non-existent now, which is why I quit), whereas other organizations focus on the matches with the buildup secondary.
 
#40 ·
In part for the same reason people back Apple or Android over the other, the repugnant PC vs. Console "war." It's all the the corporate cultivated culture of "brand loyalty" It isn't just wrestling and phones and computers, it's everywhere, all the time.
 
#65 · (Edited)
It's not just WWE fans who are opposed to supporting other companies, it's a two way street. Fans of Promotions that aren't WWE are just as hesitant to enjoy WWE as WWE fans are to enjoy something that isn't WWE. It all comes down to personal taste. If someone likes WWE's style of wrestling only then that is their own prerogative. Same goes the other way. It's increasingly rare to find people who can truly enjoy both sides of the fence for their own merits. It doesn't need to be some battle between the two factions about "real" wrestling fans or whatever else people use to denigrate people with a divergent opinion. Just enjoy what you enjoy and forget about the rest of the nonsense.
 
#66 ·
To be fair though, you cant compare someone the two groups.

Theres a group of people who do not and will not ever watch anything outside of WWE, but get offended when other people like it and get angry about it and basically talk shit all day about shows they have never watched, or watched very little of.

The people who argue the sides of other promotions often watch WWE too. And their opinion is obviously more valid since they actually watch both companies, rather than just blindly hate on something they have no knowledge or idea about.

Me personally, I like a bunch of different companies. But that doesnt mean that some companies arent better than other at certain things. Only problem is when you express that in any way that isnt implying WWE is better at everything, the marks get heated and cant take the criticism for a company that they themselves criticise 24 hours a day.
 
#84 · (Edited)
Because;

A) Other wrestling promotions like Lucha Underground and New Japan don't really make themselves as accessible, it's the promotions job to find an audience not the audience's job to find the promotion.

B) There's a certain elitism associated with a lot of people who watch other wrestling promotions. You see it all the time on here. Guy's with Japanese wrestlers in their sig who linger around the WWE section and act like they're smarter than people who like certain wrestlers or Lucha underground fans who come and sayshit like "this is why I watch Lucha underground" . So I guess people might find that off putting.

I'll go to indie shows local to me or travel with one of my friends to a show they're on, watch a few guys outside of WWE I like and go out of my way to watch a match that gets people talking i.e Osprey vs Ricochet or Omega vs Okada. But that's it.
 
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