The whole Wellness Policy and how it's enforced is total fucking joke. It doesn't apply to part-timers/big names. Roman is made the whipping boy while Bork Laser gets a free pass.
Is Jericho still considered part-time right now as he's be back full-time for this run.
Jim Ross said:
On WWE not suspending Brock Lesnar after he failed two USADA drug tests: All the armchair attorneys calling for WWE to suspend Brock Lesnar for his failed USADA drug tests associated with UFC 200 need to review Lesnar’s contract and the WWE Wellness policy. Lesnar is a part-time talent and part-timers are not under the standard, WWE wellness policy according to the WWE itself. If Shaq actually does get in the ring with Big Show at WM33 in Orlando, then Shaq would not be tested either because he would be considered a part-timer. I am not condoning PED use in any way but I do agree that WWE cannot require part time performers in a show business presentation, not a legit sport, to adhere to the same rules and regulations that they require of their full-time talents. Plus to compare pro wrestling to MMA is somewhat eye-rolling.
As previously reported, a WWE representative told TMZ that all part-time Superstars are exempt from The Wellness Policy testing. Some of those names include The Rock, The Undertaker, Triple H, and Brock Lesnar.
This apparently didn.t go over two well with several WWE Superstars who are upset about Brock Lesnar continuing to be exempt from the policy when he.s failed two tests with the USADA.
The problem with many is that they feel its making the company look bad, especially after all that has happened with Roman Reigns recently. There is also concern about the double standard of Billy Gunn not being a full-time WWE performer yet being fired for failing a drug test outside the company.
WWE is a corrupt enterprise that doesn't give a damn about workplace morale or applying their policies consistently. The Wellness Policy and WWE are jokes.
Well we "brock fans" are merely pointing out that all of you are saying how he should be ashamed of himself and that he would feel bad and all that shit.....When the truth is(most likely) that he doesn't feel bad or ashamed. He's made all this fucking money by doing what he wants, when he wants, and how he wants it.
It's absolutely hilarious and pathetic how many people in this thread have Lesnar's cock lodged deep down their throat. Dude should be punished without a doubt, don't give a motherfucking shit about his credentials or his non existent drawing power.
Also, idiots need to stop acting like he's this mystical and indestructible creature, it's beyond cringeworthy and pathetic now.
My main point in all of this is how WWE would suspend him and when they would suspend him to appease all the people calling for a suspension. He's let himself and the company down in all of this, that is not in any doubt even to Lesnar fans TBH, i think some people are just trying to rationalize some of this and come to a conclusion on what exactly needs to be done. He's getting punished by USADA, WWE would have to be careful on how they go about a suspension IMO, if they went that route (which they aren't). Bringing the company into disrepute i guess could be the reason if they could get away with that.
Hard truth is, he has violated a policy in another company, it's then up to WWE to take appropriate action to help their brand, but they have decided it's obviously not worth it.
Maybe all of this didn't come as a big surprise to Vince and he's 'got away' with protecting his investment in not giving him a suspension. I'd still be pissed as hell though if i were in charge of WWE after all the hoobula about him going back to UFC and all of the buzz that created. It's made WWE look 'bad' and made someone leak the info about part timers not being tested.
So many geeks talking about talent being scared to confront Brock; like he'd do something :duck. I know Brock is stupid but I doubt he's stupid enough to just attack someone for being called out. Besides, I'm sure Hunico could take on a juiceless Brock.
It's understandable why the talent would be upset.
So many geeks talking about talent being scared to confront Brock; like he'd do something :duck. I know Brock is stupid but I doubt he's stupid enough to just attack someone for being called out. Besides, I'm sure Hunico could take on a juiceless Brock.
It's understandable why the talent would be upset.
Which brings the question as to wether or not Brock is worth the investment, specially when having him there also needs hiring Paul Heyman (separate contract and salary). Brock has only appeared 7 times this whole year (4 PPVs and 3 live shows), don't see him really making a meaningful positive impact on the business and he also doesn't seems to move much in terms of merchandise.
It's not up to us to determine whether or not Brock is worth the investment. We can sit here and play armchair CEO but the bottom line is the only person who makes that determination is Vince McMahon.
And at this point, he still believes that Brock is worth the investment. 'Cause if he wasn't, he would've never given him another Contract.
When they showed the preview of Brock returning on Raw last week, fans were booing him. So it will be interesting to see if he is still as beloved as he was before the drug scandal...
What kind of "punishment" can you give to a guy who works 5 days a year and gets paid 6 millions dollars? Please, tell me. I guarantee there is NOTHING in Brock's contract that states he can be suspended for failing a USADA drug test for a UFC fight and lose money. And that's exactly why WWE stands where they do on this issue, not just because punishing Brock would only hurt themselves, but because they CAN'T punish Brock. All he would do is end up going home and still collecting his massive paychecks for doing absolutely nothing. Yet they elected to have him on the cover of their video game and promote the hell out of that. If they did want to suspend him, there's no way they can deny him his money, and he'd make a huge legal fight about that AND he would win in a landslide. WWE doesn't want that.
And seriously, who gives a fuck about Billy Gunn? Billy Gunn and Road Dogg have backstage positions in WWE solely because they swallow HHH. Neither guy should be working for WWE, so I don't give a fucking shit if one of them got fired. I'm pretty sure Billy was fired for competing in bodybuilding competitions behind WWE's back, and they found out about it by him getting banned from them for being on juice.
Anybody who is still living in naive dreamland, if USADA tested the entire WWE roster, probably 98% of them would fail. People should keep their mouths shut, like they're any better or different than Brock or anyone else. Everyone is on the fucking juice.
I'm not defending what Lesnar did because he's been an idiot in getting caught the way he did and making a mockery of the whole situation of him going back and made himself look like a fool, but if WWE give him a basic 30 day suspension say, would that appease people? No, all they would say is 'Oh, he's off on his farm for most of the year anyway, so what's the point?'. Some people may well want him fired, but in terms of a suspension; What could they do to satisfy people? Orton failed THREE times on their watch and is still here lol.
He failed a test under USADA and they are punishing him in due time. It's a huge quandary in what WWE can do about it themselves IMO.
See, i'm a Lesnar 'mark' and i am trying to play devil's advocate here.
Oh and this shit about Vince being 'scared'? C'mon, this is all about business, nothing else. Not some macho bullshit, nobody knows what exactly is in Lesnar's contract and how it is written and constructed either.
Well, most of the roster doesn't have Brock's mainstream appeal. If the FBI allows Hillary Clinton to get away with her crimes, why would Brock be punished for a silly drug test.
News flash: money talks. If you have money or generate a lot of it, you're above rules.
I wish there could be a legit poll of the talent to see how they feel about Brock and other part timers not being held to the same standards that they are.
First off, he'd beat your ass. I'd say something to him if he was doing something wrong directly, but he's not. It's Vince and the people behind all of this. Not Brock.
The roster is completely justified in being unhappy.
This apparently didn.t go over two well with several WWE Superstars who are upset about Brock Lesnar continuing to be exempt from the policy when he.s failed two tests with the USADA.
If they don't like it, they can go fight in The Octagon to prove themselves and see how that works out for them.
There is also concern about the double standard of Billy Gunn not being a full-time WWE performer yet being fired for failing a drug test outside the company.
I think WWE, picks and chooses. Fact is, in any job, there is always someone that everyone knows management wants to punish for mistakes.
I know, cause I've been in both ends of that. Also Billy Gunn, I think he was management, not a wrestler, and guys who look over wrestlers are like any management job, you fail a drug test your fucking toast. People are dumb, does WWE want a trainer who dopes up handling wrestlers, fuck no...
Fuck the E, fuck the wellness policy, and fuck the people here defending Lesnar and this company. You're genetic freak hero, is no longer a genetic freak, but a roided up asshole.
Can't believe people are defending Lesnar. He's a roided up douche. And a highly overrated MMA fighter as well. Don't give me he was a UFC champion crap because the division was awful at the time.
Okay, I'm calling out you and all other Brock riders that says he's a draw from the company. Please show some proof. Reigns is the number 2 merch seller and was suspended, Brocks numbers aren't even close. Why would they be? He hasn't been around since Wrestlemania. Brock isn't drawing shit, there's no reason to keep him in as high a spot as he is.
Being Devils Advocate for a second here ... what the fuck do we, the WWE fans, care if a wrestler uses roids?
OK, so prolonged use has been proven to shorten life. So has excessive alcohol use, and I don't see anyone screaming that Austin should be fired for drinking a 6 pack every time he graces the squared circle with his presence.
PEDs give an unfair advantage in MMA, and other sports where people are genuinely using their physical abilities to gain wins over others. In an industry with predetermined outcomes ... why do we care?
Is it because bigger wrestlers get the pushes that our indie favourites may get otherwise?
In Brock's case, this is not relevant as he's part time and not exactly taking a roster spot from anyone.
I ask again, why do we care?
Are we getting all uptight about the integrity of the individual wrestlers? After we routinely forgive wife beaters, racists, homophobes and all kinds of other hideous behaviour? It's the use of a bit of extra testosterone in order to make their biceps bigger ... THAT is what we're hung up on?
If you've seen my other comments on the subject, you'll know that I can't stand Brock. His "wrestling" style since his MMA run has been crappy, predictable and generally boring to endure. But the extra bit of muscle mass that may or may not be put there by roids is not what makes him a bad wrestler.
We care because a cheater got away with it. He fights a guy in a legit sport who wasn't on drugs, he won the fight he probably had no business winning.
We also care because he gets held to a different standard compared to the rest of his colleagues. Success doesn't give anyone the license to do wrong. It's another story that Vince doesn't have the "grape fruits" to do the right thing and fine Lesnar a million dollars to show to his wrestlers and employees; "Wellness policy is legit, I don't care who it is, you get caught, you are done.".
I am appalled that anyone is actually defending Lesnar or WWE or UFC in this matter. An innocent man got robbed by 2 parties; a cheater who he competed against and a business who let him get away with it.
No offense but some of you are incredibly naive. There was no punishment for Brock, because if they punished him then they'd have to punish pretty much every other guy on the roster because they're all on the juice. If the USADA tested the WWE roster, the main event for the next ppv would be Tumbleweed vs. Tumbleweed.
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