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Official Match/DVD/Show Discussion Thread (And Stairs)

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Section got all screwy, here's the latest edition of the thread.

and STAIRS
 
#142 ·
Rick Rude on his game was the shit. Hell, Rick Rude period was the shit. If Im a babyface: I know if I work Rude we are gonna have good heat going in to reflect well on me, I know Rude is a consumate pro so we should have a solid match and my injury risk is real low. Must've been a pleasure to see his name next to yours as a babyface looking at the night's card.

Anyay, came in here to say Sami Zayn while he can sell snow to an eskimo those hands he just threw on Owens were second-run HBK level. oof.
 
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#151 ·
Did I hear the words "DEAN AMBROSE IS WWE CHAMPION"?????? :mark:

Also....



... of course they couldn't wait for SummerSlam instead.
 
#147 ·
I'm loving these Reigns/Rollins matches. Weird dynamic with Rollins being a heel going into them and working the matches as a face and the opposite for Reigns, but it shows Reigns is a much, much better heel.

***3/4 for their Raw match.

Also *** for Owens/Zayn. Fun little brawl. I think those two might have a Last Man Standing match before being separated at the draft.
 
#149 ·
I wasn't expecting to watch this show until the weekend but alas. Nothing really good that I'd recommend tbh and yet again the feeling of wins and losses or anything really mattering continues to plague shows. Ambrose is champion now. So what. He got his turn with the prop. Good for him. 4 was nothing really. New Day promos are one of the best things to come out of WWE this decade. Anderson/Gallows feel like nothing fall guys in WWE. I'll be somewhat surprised if Enzo and Cass are still together this time next year even though it's so fucking obvious they should be lifers as a team but you can tell that Vince is all about Cass and is just biding his time before pushing him on his own. The show went an extra half an hour and I'm pretty sure they paced the show like they did because of Game 7 which is odd in the Network era when you don't have to watch live. AJ/Cena I'm 90% sure was positioned to start exactly at HT and then the main event was made sure to start after the game. Divas match was pretty bad. I think Charlotte wrestles up or down to the quality of the match she's in. Dana looks very small next to Charlotte which is odd given WWE philosophy. Sheamus/Crews was just nothing. Nobody cared at all. Crews is odd. You'd think WWE would be all over him but he's really done nothing at all including his NXT run. For some reason they presented him as they would Kallisto working against Sheamus and even gave him the fluke roll up finish that gets nobody over. I caught the summary of the end of the pre-show matches and Goldust was happier than anyone else on this show to win his match. AJ/Cena I really liked for the first 15 or so minutes. Mike comparing it to a 2000's title match from Japan is so on the money that I'm annoyed I didn't make the comparison myself. Really loved this to begin with because they were telling an actual story that I was invested in and telling it really well. Then it turned into trading finishers and kicking out of them and I lost everything that I had invested in it. Would have been awesome if the AA was protected and Cena couldn't put AJ away with it but literally everyone bar Rusev kicks out of so it's just so what and you're a dumbass if you're shocked by it. Styles Clash kickout has to be a running gag backstage. Mike is bang on about the finish too. It's just why do I bother watching because they do it so often. And then when they don't like in the main event it just does more harm to the top guy losing clean because every other time they're protected so why wasn't Roman. Political hit that's why. MITB match was blah. That Cesaro springboard spot was insane. All these guys taking suplexes onto ladders and it meaning as much as an arm drag bump are dumbasses. Just say no because it could do so much damage for literally no reward. You're not getting a push because you were willing to take a suplex on a ladder along with 5 other guys in the same match. At least take something somewhat memorable like the Michinoku Driver spot. Which actually was just as dumb because FUCK and really the risk is nowhere near being worth the reward which is still like none because this isn't 2000 anymore and that spot isn't making you something you weren't before and nobody is talking about this time next month let alone next decade. Ambrose won and I guess it served a purpose but really who cares. The MITB gimmick is kinda dead at this stage too and it feels like a chore for WWE to do something with every year. Rusev/Titus was fun but basically an extended squash where they never even pretended to try to make Titus look like anything. Also they had Mega Dad Titus lose on Fathers Day with his kids sitting front row. Yay for the good guys. Rollins/Reigns was good but also blah because I didn't care. Another good Reigns match and performance though in which he had a better performance than the so called wrestler heads and shoulders above him. Spear-Pedigree counter looked lousy in real time but slowed down actually looked kinda cool in a way that never should have been possible. Reigns has his out that he had Rollins beaten but really Rollins should have set the finish up with a low blow or something while the ref was down/distracted because at the end of the day it was a clean pin and Reigns is gonna look all sorts of bitchy when he moans about it. Ambrose is champ but he won't be for long and even if he is who cares. He's fucking terrible and he'll be a comedy geek champion. Take a shot for everytime JBL said lunatic in the last 5 minutes of the show and see if you live to tell the tale. Shield 3 way feels like something that is way better on paper than in reality. The reality of it isn't all that special imo but it's a main event and it's something different I suppose. But really who compares about anything. Some guys won, some guys lost. Some matches were bad, some were good. The show happened and another very similar show will happen next month too.
 
#150 ·
Take a shot for everytime JBL said lunatic in the last 5 minutes of the show and see if you live to tell the tale.
:lmao Insert about another 12 repeated catchphrases that he says and take a shot for each of those and even a years worth of AA meetings wouldn't be able to save you from becoming a full blown alcoholic.
 
#156 ·
Called that "lets immediately do it the night after" rematch of Reigns vs Rollins. Not like that was an accomplishment. We all can dictate where WWE will go on stuff like this. They really should keep some of these matches exclusive so they don't all eventually begin to get stale like every other program does. Which is why Cena vs Machine Gun being nothing was actually a good thing. Save it. (even if Anderson is practically a nobody at this rate)
 
#159 ·
I wish I could carry mine to any WWE PPV. Tis what I get for living in a broke ass Euro country :(

But hey, at least I have my own wads to satisfy her 8*D
 
#161 ·
I see another filler match making it to Battleground for the Women, but I guess Charlotte vs Sasha could have a dirty finish to stretch out to the obvious championship win for Sasha at the "bigger" event. Interesting to note that this is going to be the first championship match between em where the alignments are switched. Good to know to see if they can change it up from their prior great series of matches on NXT. Just a shame once this is over, the division has absolutely no depth that idk where Sasha will go following. If only they signed names who could work.

Then there's guaranteed to be another Cena vs Styles/The Club match for the card. So it's looking to possibly be an unusually stacked card w/SummerSlam right around the corner. While this is all speculation from one RAW, other than the confirmed main event, I've also felt this is a good example as to why WWE changing the format to their PPVs would help these days. B PPVs back at two hours, and the big traditions that have been around for years at the full three hours, or longer. It won't happen, but I've kicked this idea around in my head for a year and a half now. This would actually pad the idea of stretching out feuds longer than they should go on, as WWE currently is fixated w/.

Now, I should try and finish Unforgiven 04 so I can get back to watching the weekly TV. PPV is bad, so it's not making a good argument to put it on atm. A La Resistance match & a 24 minute Triple H match are all that remain. *sigh* The RAWs building up to this were so damn fun, too. Benoit is keeping up his MVP status on the year, though. I miss that guy.
 
#165 ·
I see another filler match making it to Battleground for the Women, but I guess Charlotte vs Sasha could have a dirty finish to stretch out to the obvious championship win for Sasha at the "bigger" event. Interesting to note that this is going to be the first championship match between em where the alignments are switched. Good to know to see if they can change it up from their prior great series of matches on NXT. Just a shame once this is over, the division has absolutely no depth that idk where Sasha will go following. If only they signed names who could work.

Then there's guaranteed to be another Cena vs Styles/The Club match for the card. So it's looking to possibly be an unusually stacked card w/SummerSlam right around the corner. While this is all speculation from one RAW, other than the confirmed main event, I've also felt this is a good example as to why WWE changing the format to their PPVs would help these days. B PPVs back at two hours, and the big traditions that have been around for years at the full three hours, or longer. It won't happen, but I've kicked this idea around in my head for a year and a half now. This would actually pad the idea of stretching out feuds longer than they should go on, as WWE currently is fixated w/.

Now, I should try and finish Unforgiven 04 so I can get back to watching the weekly TV. PPV is bad, so it's not making a good argument to put it on atm. A La Resistance match & a 24 minute Triple H match are all that remain. *sigh* The RAWs building up to this were so damn fun, too. Benoit is keeping up his MVP status on the year, though. I miss that guy.
Becky and/or Dana programs, then Bayley leading to WM next year, I guess.
 
#163 ·
Watched a handful of random other things instead of the remainder of the PPV. Proper decision. Raven vs Benoit 2/12/98, Callihan vs Havoc Cage of Death, Kobashi vs Shiozaki 1/23/05, and:

Rey Mysterio vs Jamie Noble - WWE: Velocity 5/1/04

Well I LOVED this.

Noble was often described as "Benoit Jr" backstage, as many have gone on to state. I can't think of a better match during his entire WWE tenure that best describes that personality trait to be true than this match.Statements of him working like a pitbull were on full display. He was on Mysterio like white on rice, like a fly on shit, like a shark who smelled blood in the water. We're talking every cliche in the book level systematic assault. T'was glorious.Even the idea of quelling any attempt at a momentum change type formatting from Noble. Opposed to a long limb assault and basic babyface comeback, Mysterio found himself dead to rights a number of times before eeking out the victory. That kind of working from below, and that "below" is about 3 feet deeper than usual. Fairly one of a kind Mysterio type match, too. Instead of it being a common spectacle, Rey kept trying a lot to beat Noble at his own game.They trade headlocks for the first sequence, Rey not wanting to concede in any of the ground warfare vs the more commonly preferred in the area opponent. It backfired on Rey eventually to where Noble would totally engulf him for the bulk of this, destroying his arm. But the mentality to see Rey want to focus in on a completely different side to winning matches was such a neat, honestly fascinating concept. There's something about this human chess logic of Noble tearing up Rey's arm for a lot of this, even though the idea that targeting the legs would be more "logical" to stop any signature offense in its tracks. This is a good example of what Malenko vs Mysterio from GAB tried to be. Instead of sitting on a limb for x amount of minutes w/no addition towards the finish, all of Noble's hard fought efforts stuck out from start to finish. I can go out and simply say "b/c Noble is better at working on top, dictating a match" than Malenko, but I like to extend beyond simple associations. Mysterio playing ball in selling at all the proper times did Noble a ton of favors. Couple in the strategic counters at all the most surprising times (seriously did NOT expect that sunset flip countered into a Northern Lights near fall. INCREDIBLE.) All variables of a honest to goodness struggle to win an competitive wrestling match was here in spades. Is Noble one of the more forgotten geniuses at body control? b/c his movements during a few sequences were out of this world in the match. The body slam, holding onto the wristlock in one motion, like it's not even something that remotely takes an ounce of effort. Again things you can kind of overuse when talking about pro graps, but when you see it like how it was done here, it really sends the message home. Rey was awesome here, and Noble was on a completely different level. If some haven't seen his terrific ROH tenure to kind of "sell you" on what he's capable of as a whole, this is the ideal match to do so. The kind of cruiserweight match you wished you were spoiled enough to get all the time.
 
#171 ·
A match I care to see today and it only goes 12 minutes? That's a great thing. Really ideal duration to make something good happen, over dragging a match out to be long to enforce how "good" they want to claim it is. (*cough New Japan cough*) Given their history of matches too, they work well in that window.

At least I'm finally getting the match I wanted p. quickly. Shades of Night of the Butcher II going on. (I was so excited to see the match happen for the first time. Those memories.) If only this was actually a feud atm. Perhaps later.

Like the sound of Cesaro vs Del Rio a lot, too.



Shame. WWE plays fast and loose on who it wants to be vindictive towards for their faults, but I can see this having a mild effect for a spell. Already kind of has given the events of the past two shows. Ambrose might make it to SummerSlam as champion, after all.

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Revision: Cena vs Orton from SummerSlam 2007 is very, very good. Way better than I ever remembered. Glad I'm on board w/this now. Feels locked it is their best match vs each other, probably even over NWO 08. Might as well have happened during Cena's awesome 07 reign & the remnants of Orton's prime.
 
#170 ·
Y'all better get out there and watch Smackdown for Zayn vs. Rollins. Cesaro vs. ADR was good too.

ADR/Cesaro - ***1/4
Zayn/Rollins - ***3/4 (and they only had 10-12 minutes)
 
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#180 ·
I'll have a good reason to jump on Smackdown quicker than usual tonight to check it out. Curious to see what they make out of nothing in the mold of an exhibition main event on the B show. There's no doubt they'll probably rack up a decent number of matches vs each other being employed by WWE. Gonna be interesting that it's one of those "popular indie worker pairings" that didn't really have many matches vs each other pre WWE. I count only three singles matches, and then a few tags in ROH.
 
#182 · (Edited)
The cool thing about any Rollins match in the WWE is that, even if he faces someone he wrestled during his days in ROH, it's going to be a completely different match than what happened previously because more so than any other wrestler who is in the WWE now who previously worked the indy's, Rollins took his game to a completely different level once he joined WWE. I mean, it's almost shocking when compare the wresrler he was in 2006-2009 to the one he's been from 2012-2016.

Don't get me wrong, of course Black was more than capable back in ROH. His matches with Danielson and Steen are amongst my favorite of that time period. Especially the Danielson matches, those hold up marvelously on rewatch. The New Horizons match is still Rollins best outing ever IMO.

But, I just can't help but marvel at how much BETTER he became, all around, these last few years he's worked in the WWE.

You might disagree, because I know the love you have for Generico, but I feel the same way about Zayn/Generico, though to a much lesser extent. I just think he's been even better as Sami Zayn than he was as Generico, but that might just be me. Seeing his face just takes the fire and passion he always displayed and boosts it up a notch, and of course helps with selling and emoting, too.

I still wish Rollins would tone down the flashy stuff when he's working heel, save it for his eventual baby face run and all that (the same goes for Owens, frankly) but other than that I love watching his work. After Zayn/Nakamura/Cesaro, he's probably the next best guy WWE has. Doing flashy stuff is fine when your a heel and facing a Danielson or Zayn, guys the fans will ALWAYS be behind, not so much when he's facing Cena or Reigns or another baby face who doesn't have that universal support.

That's just my feelings though, I just prefer watching matches where the face is cheered and the heel is boo'd and there is no confusion or disconnect.

Either way, I'm turning SD! on right now and eagerly anticipating the first Zayn/Rollins singles match I've personally ever seen.
 
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