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Too Many Jobbers

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#1 ·
Does the WWE have a disproportionate number of jobbers compared to other credible midcarders and main eventers???
 
#24 · (Edited)
jobbers are in modern times called mid-carders. they got all these extra belts and most take turns winning one of them at some point hence they are virtually all mid-carders.

in reality, they usually don't get angles and are just thrown out there to wrestle so they come off as jobbers. only difference is most of the "mid-carders" win some matches. as meaningless as those wins are they still are wins.

this always occurs to me anytime they have the whole roster on hand on the stage to salute someone who died or for whatever reason. i look at them all and think how most of them are just roster fillers who'll never sniff the wwe world title. at some point they'll all be a tag title champ or us champ.

look at jack swagger's resume for christ's sake. most of them won't even win half the stuff he did and he's what i would call a mid-carder.
 
#6 ·
that midcarders win titles?
 
#12 ·
This.

It would take a shitload of reconditioning though, and I get why WWE would be reluctant to do it. It's the three hour problem. WWE need to give Owens and Ziggler 20 minutes to help fill time on their ridiculously long show. You can't put Owens against a jobber and have them go 10 minutes, because Owens would look like shit. And you can't have Owens squash a guy in two minutes, because they need to fill time.

NXT uses local jobbers to great effect. It's why matches like Balor vs. Crews feel big, and even ones like Bayley vs. Carmella to an extent. But they only have an hour to fill.

A formula of say, 5 jobber squash matches and two main events featuring stars would work for Raw. But the writers would then need to write a lot of segments and angles to fill TV time.

Star vs. star should feel like a special event, but it's very difficult in the current environment.
 
#9 ·
To be honest I don't think there are enough genuine jobbers. If they commit to a guy as a jobber, like the way Heath Slater is/was treated people can get behind the loveable loser.

But the 50/50 booking is killing everyone. It's like almost clockwork that if someone builds momentum they will lose a random match and be killed off.

I really think that taking 5 guys and making them not lose for 3 months and 5 guys that only lose for 3 months would reap far more rewards than what we are being served at the moment
 
#13 ·
They need MORE jobbers!

Start building people for fuck's sake.
 
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#29 ·
this.
 
#16 ·
Agree wholeheartedly, they need more genuine jobbers.

1. It makes mid carders look strong.
2. When stars do meet, there is a "superstar aura" about them since they're both winners and haven't had 50 million rematches already.
3. A fresh new young jobber is interesting and might surprise and impress you, so every week is different.

I've been re-watching Goldberg's early career on the Network and he was some unknown guy facing a list of random no-name jobbers. But it significantly contributed to him looking so powerful. Today? Just look at Ryback.

With such a deep roster, I'm very surprised they insist on so many meaningless 50/50 rematches.

Simply put, they're wrong to think it makes them both look strong.
 
#17 ·
WWE have the bad habit to treat their whole roster like shit, except some main eventers.

It makes the rest of the show pointless and its even more noticeable when you know they have three hours to fill... Raw has become a show of pointless matches between irrelevant wrestlers that nobody gives a fuck about and-the title picture.

This show is just not made for three hours, i am not sure if it should even last two hours.
 
#18 ·
The current jobbers wouldn't be jobbers had Vince McMahon kept up with the shit he did in the 80's and 90's was hire local jobbers to enhance the current lower cards into feuds. While you have the lower carder's feud with each other then you have them beat the local jobbers to gain some momentum.
 
#21 ·
The stupid ass 50/30 booking , 2015 was on of the worst year of the 50/50 thing

- World Champions did 12 jobs on WWE television last year, including nine of the 12 by Seth Rollins.

- Intercontinental Champions did 14 jobs on television in 2015, including eight by King Barrett and three by Kevin Owens.

- United States Champions did eight jobs on TV, with Rollins looking at the lights on three of those occasions.

- Tag-Team Champions did 21 tag-team jobs, ten of which were by The New Day.

- Divas Champions did nine television jobs, seven by Nikki Bella and two by Charlotte

The champions keep losing matches, after matches on tv why would you care about feud or pay per view payoffs?
 
#26 ·
They could do so much better if they used NXT to it's highest potential.

Pluck some of the mid-carders out of NXT (Guys who are not in a title picture at the moment, but are good enough to be trusted) Have them work some matches and then rotate them back down to NXT. No reputation tarnished because they worked a match against a maincarder but also they can also say once they go back down to NXT that they learned new skills to overcome [inset NXT Champ here] and are coming after the Belt.


It's also the reason why I'm in favor of a brand extension, sort of... more like Brand extension with Interleague play. You get 2 sets of guys who generally only work either Smackdown or Raw... however they can crossover to do a job or hell even win if the booking needs it. But it doesn't affect them as much because they generally work a different show
 
#32 ·
Totally agree, its literally Bromance vs Upper-midcard & Sasha being built protectively to dominate the Woman's division. In the long-run it can work in the Women's division adding Sasha to Becky, Charlotte, Paige but Bromance alone aren't enough to cover the Upper cards, it needs more variety.
 
#30 ·
Local jobbers will have people tuning out. The WWE needs to do a better job at character development. You have to build a pecking order that the fans will eventually "get". Look at the current roster. It's a bunch of ordinary "Joe's" and I don't mean in just physical stature. I'm talking creatively.

Curtis Axel, that's it.

Adam Rose, used to party?

Kofi Kingston, just a name nothing else.

Big E, talks loud, but doesn't have much else.

Dolph Ziggler, getting there, but name still sucks.

The Miz, talk about fall from grace.

I could keep going, but my point is that there really isn't any independence of characters in the WWE. Where is the next HTM, or Double Jay? It's why I like stars like Bray Wyatt, or Kevin Owens. They are reminders of the past, but very genuine and fresh on their own. It's why I liked The Intellectual Savior Damien Sandow, it was better version of The Genius and The Dean. Who is the next Big Van Vader? People say all the time that they don't want rehashed stars, or ideas from the past. I say that's bullshit. You need a healthy combination of both. Wrestling has history and there is nothing wrong with using it. Hell, they still use old story lines because it's impossible not to.
 
#36 ·
That's what happens when everyone gets 50/50 booking besides the main top guys. They all end up looking like jokes because they can't build momentum and have to give back a win or two to a certain guy. I would think the WWE knows that but no, they continue to give us 50/50 booking.
 
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