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Cesaro last person to cleanly pin Roman Reigns

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#1 ·
It appears that Cesaro was the last one to possibly defeat Roman Reigns cleanly, and it was in Florida Championship Wrestling. He has yet to lose cleanly on the main roster.

PINFALL LOSSES FOR ROMAN REIGNS

FLORIDA CHAMPIONSHIP WRESTLING
9/09/10 Tampa, FL - pinned by Richie Steamboat
9/15/10 Orlando, FL - pinned by Idol Stevens
9/15/10 ?, FL - pinned by Wes Brisco
10/28/10 Tampa, FL - pinned by Vance Archer
9/25/11 ?, FL - pinned by Damien Sandow
12/11/11 ?, FL - pinned by Cesaro

WORLD WRESTLING ENTERTAINMENT
5/05/14 Albany, NY - pinned by Bray Wyatt in six man match (tagging with Shield against Wyatt Family) after Evolution came out and stood at ringside
2/02/15 Denver, CO - pinned by Big Show (after Seth Rollins interfered)
3/29/15 Santa Clara, CA - pinned by Seth Rollins (after Rollins came out to make Lesnar/Reigns a three way match)
7/19/15 St Louis, MO - pinned by Bray Wyatt (after Luke Harper interfered)
 
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#5 ·
You people do realize that if you want to make someone the face of the company, that is the correct way to book them.
 
#6 ·
Four pinfall losses in nearly 2 years, incredible. This is why people are sick of him. Why bother portraying him as an underdog who's trying to overcome odds if he never really loses? His booking is so mixed up.

Anyway, good old Cesaro :cesaro He should be able to beat Reigns clean in the WWE at some point, but we know that ain't happening, ever.
 
#8 ·
I'm a Reigns fan who has been begging for him to lose a big match clean but ask Stone Cold or Undertaker how often they were pinned clean-- it could be argued it's the right strategy even if it is the wrong person and considering how people cry "buried" when IWC darlings take even a single loss I know nobody would mind if it was their guy.
 
#13 ·
Taker lost to Vladimir Kozlov cleanly on Smackdown. Granted it was in the latter stages of his full time career, but i'd be willing to bet big money that nothing like this will happen to Reigns at this point.

It's not necessarily not losing much that's the problem though, it's the character presentation and booking that goes along with it. If Reigns was a dominant, gives-no-fucks heel then people would be a LOT more into him i think.
 
#96 ·
Are you dreaming?.....because I've had the same dream.....and woke up very happy. Cesaro was on fire in the ring for months prior to his injury. He needs a title. Crowd loves him, he really doesn't have to say much on the mic, he works the crowd up big time with his move set. Him + the new Smackdown announcer just makes me imagine the good ole fired up JR days when Austin or Rock were on fire.
 
#14 ·
I hate wwe superman booking. Its not just losing clean, its the whole match layout. Face starts off invincible. Heel cuts off. Heel dominates. Face powers up, wins with only a couple of moves after the heel threw the sink at him. It looks ridiculous, destroys the heels credibility and thats why today the only legit heels are hhh. Lesnar now a face because everyone else looks like shit. Hhh is credible be ause everyone knows hes the boss.

I dont think the fotc should lose often, but he should lose. Roman not losing clean is so stupid, hes not gonna have anyone to work with since he has already beaten everyone.

Cena got away with it because he had lost coming up and there were enough legends around to keep doubt in mind. Now theres no legends left, and even if there were theyd only lose to reigns and each other, not the other jobbers.
 
#16 ·
That's some bad booking right there.
"Hey everyone look at this underdog, with all these odds against him", "wow he must have it tough, does he get much wins?" "Yep loads, in fact he never loses", "but you said he was an underdog?", "he is!"

I hope this mania is the end of this ridiculous booking. Book the man like he is supposed to be and see how the fans react then. He could be good, possibly great, who knows. But he will never be a great if he isn't himself with flaws and a few loses under his belt
 
#21 ·
Roman is way overprotected. He's basically Superman. A glorified fanfic character thats given new powers by new writers to surpass the OP bullshit he was before.

I'm more of a supporter of Goku;a character who can fail, has failed, and has to grow in ability to overcome the obstacles he has to face.

I'm even more of a fan of Vegeta;a character who undergoes loads of evolution during his life, constantly striving to be the best, a flawed hero/anti-hero, sometimes villain.

Roman, much like Superman, is completely uninteresting. Cena, booked like Superman for fucking ever, became more acceptable when he started losing cleanly. Roman needs this as well.

Though I still think I'm going to lean towards the Daniel Bryans and CM Punks of the world, WWE can do better in their handling of their characters.
 
#52 ·
I'm more of a supporter of Goku;a character who can fail, has failed, and has to grow in ability to overcome the obstacles he has to face.

I'm even more of a fan of Vegeta;a character who undergoes loads of evolution during his life, constantly striving to be the best, a flawed hero/anti-hero, sometimes villain.
I'd argue Goku and Reigns are the same. Goku beats everyone he came across save Cell. I mean other than Jackie Chun and Tien (who won via luck) who has Goku lost to that he didn't get his win back from?

Agree Vegeta is more interesting
 
#23 · (Edited)
Who pays this much attention to wins and losses? Why are people keeping in depth records like this is MMA lol.

But on to the point people only discuss clean losses on this board when it comes to Reigns and Cena.

Nobody ever mentions how HHH needed Nash's help to beat Punk, thus making Punk look strong. But they certainly love discussing how that non clean loss buried Punk.

Nobody ever wants to talk about how protected Bryan was in the majority of his losses during his SS 14 to Mania 30 run, but they love saying how hus short title reigns made him look weak.

Nobody ever wants to talk about how most of Ambrose's PPV losses protected him for being beat clean. But they love saying how he was booked like a geek despite being protected.

If you never mention if a loss was a clean loss when it pertains to every other superstar then it doesn't need to be mentioned when it pertains to Reigns and Cena.
 
#32 · (Edited)
Nobody ever mentions how HHH needed Nash's help to beat Punk, thus making Punk look strong. But they certainly love discussing how that non clean loss buried Punk.
Except it wasn't booked that way. HHH came out of retirement to face Punk, Nash interfered without HHH's knowledge or approval, Miz and R-Truth got involved for no reason, Nash attacks both HHH and Punk, and in the end HHH beats Punk;for no reason in an overbooked confusing clusterfuck.



HHH ends up facing Nash without Punk's involvement down the line;how on earth does that make CM Punk look strong? John Cena tags with The Rock against Miz and Truth;how does that make CM Punk look strong? All it did was make him look weak and pathetically drive down the Summer of Punk when he could've been a megastar.

Fans have every reason to point out how that stupid match neutered Punk's rise because thats exactly what it did.

People ALWAYS point out how important wins and losses are for people. Literally for everyone.

Reigns is no exception.
 
#26 ·
Forget the wins and losses, just standing tall at the end of a brawl. Guy rarely doesn't stand tall. Fans aren't going to get invested in that. The "odds" have already been overcome. There is no investment for the fans to make. And that is part of the reason this has been a HUGE failure.
 
#34 ·
Yeah that was the thing that got him over before... dude was booked like a monster. He was the brute power behind The Shield. Once they started booking him like the "Underdog" people started booing him because he's just not believable as an underdog. The times he's gotten cheers like Hell in a Cell and the end of TLC was when he was being destructive and monster like.
 
#36 ·
Curious to know who are these guys roman should be eating losses to on raw and smackdowns & why. And if you don't mean that, what ppv matches should he have lost clean. I can think of maybe 1 and that's against Bray Wyatt. Who just so happens to have 2 pins over him in tag matches. He got pinned In 2 pretty standard cash ins as well.
 
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#58 · (Edited)
A top guy definitely shouldn't lose often, and should be booked strong (otherwise he shouldn't be the top guy), but that doesn't mean he needs to no-sell everything and be invulnerable. It all matters how it's presented and who the character is and who the character's supposed to be. Brock Lesnar, Goldberg and Ronda Rousey of UFC got over specifically because they beat everyone. Then, you have a guy like Stone Cold who indeed was booked pretty strong, but the match that skyrocketed him to popularity was a one where he lost clean, by passing out in a pool of blood while being held in a Sharpshooter.

Then you have Kazuchika Okada, who broke down in tears after he lost to Tanahashi at Wrestle Kingdom 9. It was part of a storyline where Okada never beat Tanahashi at WK, he gave everything to win, he failed and he lost, and he was CRUSHED. And that made the whole moment so powerful.

So top guys should lose clean sometimes, but it needs to be done very well. If he keeps losing every second match because they want to show that he is "vulnerable", he turns into just another guy and not the top guy.

And the thing is, Reigns is a type of character that definitely shouldn't lose often. He's an asskicker, a guy who gets booed the whole PPV but then gets cheered for five seconds when he destroys people.
 
#61 ·
Reigns already has a natural presence and aura about him, but they need to play along with it, not against it. He needs to stop goofing. He needs to show his true charisma (which he fucking has, unlike what many people think, only WWE fucking hides it) because that's what matters most at the end of the day: Hulk Hogan wouldn't have been half as popular if it weren't for his "WELL LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING BROTHER" promos. Same for SCSA, The Rock, etc.

And that's what they should work on. When his music hits, the thought that enters everybody's head should be "OOH BOY shit just got REAL". SCSA got that. Goldberg got that. Lesnar got that. What Reigns has is "OOH BOY here comes a lame promo".
 
#64 ·
He got pinned by Bray clean in a Shield Wyatt 6 man, and again, if memory serves me right, by Bray in a singles match.

He also technically got pinned clean by Rollins in Wrestlemania 30. Say what you want, but no rules were broken.
Yeah but imo a clean win is when one guy beats another fair and square. What Seth Rollins did was basically picking the bones when both Reigns and Lesnar were exhausted and hurt and lying on the ground. I don't know how it can be clean.
 
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