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The Myth of WWE being afraid WrestleMania ending with a chorus of boos.

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#1 ·
I've heard the popular notion that the main events of wrestlemanias 30 and 31 were changed because WWE does not want the impression of a wrestlemania ending in a chorus of overwhelming boos hence bryan was added to wm 30 and rollins walked away the champion at wm 31.. But didn't vince already embraced it in three scenarios..

1. Cena winning over HHH at the end of WM 22: ends with an overwhelming chorus of boos.. i mean how can this outcome be any different from the smarks disdained eventual result of the upcoming wm 32 with Reigns winning and people Booing.. what was on the internet ten years ago, were people as disgusted and abbhorent of the wm 22 outcome of Cena over HHH as Reigns over HHH is right now.

2. Cena winning over HBK at the end of WM 23: same as above, ends with an overwhelming chorus of boos.. espacially since shawn is perceived as better and more loved than HHH.

3. Cena winning over Rock at the end of WM 29: though hated not because he beat the rock (they got equal heat from the fans)
But hated the fact that this was the most predictable route people saw in advance months before but they still went with it, plus of course that handshake was to add insult to injury and the boos where as overwhelmingly bad as the other two examples..

point is Wrestlemanias have ended with an unwanted guy winning getting a crowd to rabid, bloodlusted a d hostile for those examples but vince still went through that ending..

I mean i have no doubt Batista would be booed (as well as his solo match with orton unto itself) out of the arena if daniel bryan were not there at WM 30 BUT CAN SUCH BOOS BE ANY WORSE at that point in time as say even the year that preceded it (Wm 29 cena standing tall)

BTW is Texas a smark country? How do we even know Reigns will get booed there as much as he did last year at WM 31?? The entire arena may end up being filled by Reigns marks for all we know (much to my disdain if that's the case)

I am not a fan of Reigns super push at all.. but i would just like to know how such an ending with a supposed "Beyond Overwhelmingly Booed out of the arena at the end of a wrestlemania" is something vince and co. would fear at all since theyve done it Ten years earlier with Cena..

Thought?

Main crux originated from how is the build and perceived hate of Reigns superpush to WM 32 be any different than the general perception of Cena's ascension to feud and go over HHH back at WM 22?
 
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#2 ·
Well...they did try to turn Austin heel at Mania right? In Texas right? So yeah I wouldn't think they're afraid of anything. Except maybe Romans life if he wins at Rumble.
 
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Re: The Myth of the WWE being afraid with wrestlemania ending with a chorus of boos.

I don't think they ended those due to being worried about the boos.

1) They booked Wrestlemania 30. It wasn't their first choice no, but when you have a superstar as hot as Bryan was, getting some of the best crowd reactions the company have had in years and the sort of reactions they'd have wanted for their top stars, he HAD to win at Wrestlemania, simple as that. It was the perfect storyline and it culminated in a great end to what was a great run for Bryan.

2) It made sense. The Authority wanted to get one over on Reigns and they wanted the belt. They did this by having their guy cash in Money in the Bank at Wrestlemania without having to directly face Lesnar and also got one over on Reigns in the same sense.

Of course, if Rollins and Bryan hadn't have walked away with the belts the past two years we probably would have heard boos throughout the arenas but I don't think it would have bothered WWE in the slightest. The same as it's not going to bother them when Reigns goes over Triple H in the main event this year. I can only perhaps think they may try something different to the usual Reigns wins, Triple H leaves the ring and you have confetti fall down to a chorus of boos. They may perhaps have HHH and Authority members etc attack Reigns after the match only for The Rock to come out and make the save before Reigns spears him and lifts the belt slowly as the show ends.
 
#4 ·
It wasn't about boo's, it was about the guys involved, in 30 you had Orton and Batista, Batista's return had not gone to plan, they basically had 2 heels main eventing Mania, you can't have that, soooo insert a babyface, the clear choice at that time was Bryan.

With Reigns, I think they realized really late that he wasn't quite ready and the fans were totally against him. Cena may have been boo'd but he was already an established star and had fans even though he was boo'd, Reigns was not a star and was getting boo'd by basically 100% of the fans, Lesnar's contract was up in the air, soooooo insert Rollins.
 
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IIRC Cena was booed 100 percent by the fans as well back at WM 22, and despite having a longer Reign as champion.. Cena at 2006 still needed that stamp of "The Man" that a win over someone as established as HHH can give him.. which is a similar position IMO that Reigns is right now.. so i guess Cena 2006 heading into 22 is for me the same as Reigns heading into 32.
 
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BTW is Texas a smark country? How do we even know Reigns will get booed there as much as he did last year at WM 31?? The entire arena may end up being filled by Reigns marks for all we know (much to my disdain if that's the case)
It doesn't matter that much about the local fans all that much as far as Mania goes. Last year 78% of the people at Wrestlemania were from outside the Santa Clara area and the year before that had 79% from outside the New Orleans area.
 
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I'm kinda curious as to where you got those specific numbers from? I'm not disputing your main point that the overwhelming majority of the WM crowd is not local, but I would just figure that the % of the audience at WrestleMania 31 would have a much larger number of locals, considering the SF Bay Area is one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country with about 6x the population of the New Orleans area...hell the Bay Area has about twice as many residents as the entire state of Louisiana
 
#10 ·
It's not just about ending WM with boos. It's about ending WM with the guy you are pushing as top face getting heavily booed.

BTW I was at WM29 and the crowd was divided. I don't see a problem with this, but getting heavily booed when you are supposed to be cheered is bad (RR14 Batista or RR15 Reigns).

If they manage to have the crowd 50% pro-Reigns then I would go with him winning.
 
#11 ·
Here is the difference...

During WM 22 and WM23 WWE had a much larger fanbase than they do currently and within that base Cena was THE top merch seller and one of the top draws on a roster that still had some genuine heavyweights on it.

In 2016 that fanbase has shrunken considerably and Roman Reigns can't even outsell John Cena a decade later, never mind what the guy was doing in 2006. This is despite the fact he's been pushed as a huge deal since The Shield split.

Cena guaranteed WWE money. Much less than his predecessors in Austin and The Rock but much more than most of the other potential successors.

Cena, Batista and Orton were the guys with all the potential. Of that group Cena had the largest fanbase by a considerable margin. He may have also had more detractors (as opposed to people who just didn't give a shit either way) but he made WWE more money than the other two did.

It really did not matter that Cena was boo'ed because the numbers backed up the assertion that he was good for business.

Those numbers don't exist for Roman Reigns. Like I said, he can't outsell US champion John Cena in 2016 and he's not drawing shit at house shows. No one is anymore.

Guys like Punk and Bryan have been and gone and showed real potential in their numbers but neither man was fully entrusted with the position.

All of the 'potential' for Roman Reigns is purely imaginary at this point. It's based on the fact that he looks like a guy who could draw top money.

Yet, in a time when the face roster is so weak, he is still generating an awful lot of apathy among the general public.

It couldn't be any clearer if it was written across his forehead, that WWE are saying 'This is our guy. The future of the company'.

This is the exact opposite of how they promoted Punk and Bryan, yet they can't muster a 1/10th of their fan reactions for Reigns and I'd be astonished if his merch/house show numbers were any better than theirs.

While they do this, an already depleted fanbase (due to years of poor decisions and a backwards philosophy) is seemingly decreasing even further. TV ratings are at record lows for WM season, they are struggling to sell out shows (including Raw's) and there is just very little interest in WWE anymore as a mainstream product.

So, do WWE fear Wrestlemania ending to a chorus of boo's this year?

Yes, they do. Reigns is their 'gamble'. Cena was already doing the business. Putting him over was the easiest decision in the world. By 2006 he was doing BIG numbers.

They are attempting to increase the value of Reigns by putting him over at Mania without realizing that they've already put this guy over multiple times and the public aren't biting. There will be no explosion of popularity on the basis of the result of this wrestling match.

By the time Cena went over HHH and Michaels he was already a genuine superstar with a large fanbase. He went over and his fans bought more of his shit or he gained some more.

Reigns is working on a much smaller fanbase. Having him go over HHH in a hugely predictable match with a negative or flat crowd reaction on a VERY weak Wrestlemania card (which has all the potential to be labelled as one of the worst ever) could be disastrous.

:vince2 He does love himself some Reigns though.
 
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stop dickriding Cena...the kids attached themselves to him quickly. they had no one else. If Brock didnt retire, we wouldnt have had 10+ years of Cena hell.

Nobody has ever and will ever be hated as much as Cena has/is.

Dude has had "we all hate you" and "die Cena die" chants. Roman has never had such vitriolic hatred spewed at him. I've noticed more people in agreement that Roman would be awesome as fuck if he was CONSISTENTLY booked like he was around and after TLC. Street justice silent badass.

Roman has potential as evident by his addition of new power moves last year (although he is not consistent with them) and his promos are fine. I dont know wtf people are bitching about anymore. I wish he would be more consistent with his moveset though.

I'd like for him to turn heel. I think he'd do very well in that role, but he'd also do well as the hound of justice badass. Enforcer type of role.
 
#14 ·
Roman Reigns is their last ditch effort to create a new Cena, whom is is able to carry the company for another 10 years. It's like what Vince said to Heyman about Bobby Lashley. "He's the superhero and he will be at the expense of everyone else".

Reigns being rejected by 100,000 people isn't going to do him any favours. Nor will his reaction of walking into the Raw post-mania holding the title
:vince6
 
#21 ·
This is what I don't get about this company, Why do they need another face of the company? or any face of the company for that matter. Roman might not get the hate he does if the company wouldn't treat him like he is above everybody else and just treat him like he is another guy who just happens to be getting his shot at the championship. But instead they are doing everything and pulling every trick and string to try and protect him, even if it makes the show and other superstars look worse in the process. Ofcourse that is going to rub a large portion of the audience the wrong way. It's not suppose to be the Roman Reigns show.
 
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I think Roman would improve dramatically if he could be sure he was "the guy." Right now he's saying what he's told far too much, although it's been obv. in some of his promos that it was unnatural and he wasn't comfortable with it. The few times I've seen him say what he wanted in the most miniscule ways it was leagues better.

I've seen guys like Del Rio (but especially Del Rio, I've noticed him do it two different times) fuck him in the ring by laying down when they weren't booked to do so and Roman WAITED for them. Tell me if that shit went down twenty or even ten years ago. No one would have waited, they'ed have walked over and started kicking the dude. Roman's not gonna pull some Orton-esque shit like that, though.

I think, also, the reason WWE is so scared to build multiple stars is that they don't want another HBK, Bret, Austin, Rock. They do actually want another Cena, not in his booking, particularly, but in being a guy that knows he's protected, knows he easily could have been depushed, and is therefore loyal and grateful and will be extra super careful about embarrassing them lest he lose all he's been 'given.'

ETA: All this is also why they don't want more than one guy. They don't want anyone grabbing for the brass ring, they wanna smelt that ring down and toss it in the garbage. They don't want anyone trying to get over, or put themselves over in anyway. Their guy should know he' over by the collective hands of the WWE and be comforted that he has no competition and frightened that he didn't do any of it and could easily be remade. 'The top guy' will then stay in line and never act out or embarrass them publicly.

Just my theory.
 
#23 ·
This is booked by the guy thinking Orton vs Batista is the biggest Match of all Time.

It is not that he is afraid, he is senile and genuinely does not know.
 
#25 ·
I don't think there was chorus of boos at WM 22 and WM23. Fans were disappointed for sure, but WM 29 was a proper chorus of boos. The moment where Rock held up Cena's hand was meant to be a huge iconic moment but the fans weren't having any of that and that's when the boos were the loudest. I think WWE were embarrassed by that and since then they've changed the last 2 main event plans to avoid this reaction.

I don't expect Roman to get booed when he wins this year, there will probably just be silence.
 
#27 ·
It's disturbing how WWE have literally produced nil number of main eventers who are equivalent to SCSA and The Rock.

Either the wrestlers suck or creative sucks - I'm thinking that it's more of the latter than the former.
 
#28 ·
In a stadium that isn't that loud because of how big it is, the chances are if Roman gets booed, he's not going to be able to hear them.
 
#29 ·
Best thing to do probably, to get the point over to Vince and the creative team, is to not bother booing. Just don't react at all since they have said that silence is the worst. Or just get up and leave before the main event even starts. I think Vince is at the point were even people booing is a reaction so... *shrugs*
 
#30 ·
Before Cena's injury I assumed himself and Undertaker would close the show with Taker beating him before retiring. Reigns vs HHH will most likely be the main event now. It's hard to imagine any scenario where the show won't end in boos, unless they pull a swerve and put Dean in the match, or somehow work Daniel Bryan in.
 
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The thought used to be so what if Cena gets booed, he's still a successful top guy and talented performer, which at the time of those HBK/HHH main events, he was. After 10 years of Cena getting booed, the top face should be someone who is the polar opposite. Not another guy who is getting booed out of the building. And it isn't like Roman has Cena's overness either, he's downright hated by the fans and the ones who like him are a small percentage of Cena's fans.

So that makes Roman getting booed significantly worse than Cena. Plus, Cena was always good at turning the boos around on the audience, toying with them, trolling them, etc.. Roman can't do any of that because he sucks on the mic and lacks Cena's charisma.

I just feel like after 10 years of seeing a main event face getting booed, how do you think the savior is going to be a guy who has been booed at every major moment in his career? Doesn't help matters that it's an HHH match, so the actual match is going to be mediocre as fuck. It's a bad, bad main event in every way.
 
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