I just want to know why this myth that Vince only cares and will use muscle guys still exists. When you look at guys he's put the top title on like
Bret Hart- 1A/1B top guy main evented multiple Mania Main Events and World Titles
Shawn Michaels- 1A/1B top guy multiple Mania Main Events and World Titles
Chris Jericho- 1st undisputed champ, multiple other World titles, Most IC titles ever, main evented a Mania.
Eddie Guerrero- Beat Brock Lesnar for a World title. Walked out of Mania champ over Kurt Angle. Pushed as a top 3 face (and heel) on Smackdown until his death.
Chris Benoit- won a Rumble main evented a Mania made HHH and HBK tap in consecutive PPVs).
Rey Mysterio- Won a Rumble and world title at Mania. Multiple world championships. Pushed as a top 5 face his entire time until he was too injured to use consistently.
CM Punk- Multiple MITBs, IC champ, Multiple time World champ. Pushed as a top 3 guy since 2011. Longest title reign of the modern era at 434 days.
Miz- went from Diva Search host to Tag champ to midcard title holder to WWE champ and main evented and walked out of a Mania as champ.
Daniel Bryan- Main Evented a Mania going over Evolution in one night. A US champ, Tag, Champ, MITB winner, and multi time world Champ. Won an IC title became a Grand Slam champ. Pushed as a top 3 face from the time Team Hell No started facing the Shield until his injury in 2014.
Rollins- 1st NXT Champ, apart of the Shield, Tag champ MITB winner, Walked out of Mania as champ, US title winner.
So with all those guys balancing out the giants and muscle guys why are some hardcore fans still pretending the averaged sized guys have no chance to succeed?
I've always believed it was a case of "prove me wrong" with Vince. Show him what you can do in the ring and how you make a connection with the audience, and he'll be a fan of yours.
Triple H and CM Punk sort of explained it during a "Summer of Punk" promo. Plenty of smaller guys became stars in WWE, but the bigger you are, the more likely you'll get opportunities.
Because the hardcore fans who claim it operate on how they want to feel, not actual facts.
Funny because guys like Cesaro, Ryback, & Barrett are pretty big guys who don't get pushed yet Vince still gets bashed for pushing big guys when 3 of the most pushed full time guys in the last 5 years, Bryan, Punk, & Rollins are all considered small. Not to mention people like Ziggler already had a pretty good careers as well.
It's just another excuse to irrationally moan & bitch.
Can point out many of those things happened before Vince became obessed with muscles and size again thanks to Cena. Other things happen because of a tribute or when there was two brands or because we forced him too.
Since Cena has become the man the guys he's put serious main event time into are
1. Rey Mysterio
2. CM Punk
3. Miz
4. Sheamus
5. Del Rio
6. Bryan
7. Rollins
8. Reigns
9. Jeff Hardy
10. Swagger
11. Mark Henry
12. Christian
Of those 12 only Sheamus, Reigns, Henry, and Swagger are
big guys. But of course lets ignore facts right.
8 of 12 guys that spent time in the main event or as world champ since Cena became the man were of average build but of course "Vince has a hard on for muscles"
so naming 5 small guys that had TO EARN their success invalidates the 50 big guys that have been spoon fed because of their physique. lol, delusions of grandeur
I think its true, he likes big guys MORE...But still knows how to run a promotion, he just doesn't like to budge on a guy unless the crowd reacts to them.
I bet he still thinks your safer putting the belt on the biggest guy and most supplemented guy on roster like Cena.
Jericho Vince never had any faith in. When he was UC Jericho overheard him saying business must be down (paraphrasing). Hart got the belt because Vince was going through a drug trial and having a smaller guy as champ made sense. Rollins is taller than HBK. Bryan was meant to be dumped off in a feud with the Wyatts but the fans reacted to this and made him champ. Guerrero was champ on Smackdown AKA Paul Heyman show. Mysterio was given the WHC because of Guerrero death.
Bret's from a legendary family and one of the greatest wrestlers ever. Plus he had this honesty about him that just made you like him.
HBK- He's probably the best overall wrestler after Ric Flair. And he wasn't short. He was about 6 foot and in his prime looked like a fucking god.
Y2J- 6 foot isn't short, and he was 230 pounds in the late 90's.
Eddie-Seriously? Eddie was perfect. One fo the most charismatic guys ever and one of the few who could get goood reactions whether face or heel.
Benoit-Fuck this guy.
Mysterio- IS probably the best high flyer in history and everyone liked him. He only won the WHC because of Eddie though.
Punk- Vince did try to hold him down, so Punk cut an iconic promo that should have made him the top guy. But Vince still held him down. When he was WWE champ, he was midcarding ppv's while Cena fought John Laurinitis. And after he lost to Rock, Vince had no plans to keep him in the picture.
Miz- the male total divas.
Bryan- The most over guy since Austin? one of the best in ring wrestler of his age and who had the same realism about him that Bret had? That Vince still tried to deny for almost two years?
Rollins- Rollins isn't a small guy. He's a legit 6'1 and probably weighs 220. Plus he's ridiculously strong, stronger than Reigns easily, and has is fantastic in the ring.
None of these guys are seen as "Vince type guys" yet they all spent a lot of time in his main event scene (well except Miz)
I don't know why hardcore fans still believe in this only Reigns/Cena/Batista types can succeed when that is clearly not true.
Yeah Vince Denied Punk so hard he had a 434 WWE title reign not to mention multipe World title reigns before the "Summer of Punk" but yeah lets ignore that. Plus if that was Cena no one would have cared if he main evented 0 PPVs because 434 days is 434 days and thats a long push.
Vince held Bryan back so much he made him one of the biggest focal points of the show from Summer 2013 to he left with injury. He held him down so much he let him wall out of Mania 30 going over Evolution on one night. Held him down so much he's won every title in the company.
Forgot RVD but Edge I didn't use because people tend to go "he's 6ft 4in(5in?) And handsome" so he's somehow a Vince guy despite not bejng a giant nor muscular
Bret and Michaels became the guys after the big guys failed (Luger and Diesel).
Y2J's tittle win was booked like he got lucky. Literally got his ass kicked and won by a hair split. Put over HHH right after then didn't get over or become a top guy until his suit gimmick.
Eddie always talked about how the brass overlooked him. It was until his quarter hours were apparently very solid and he proved he could draw. Only won the belt once and Jericho talks about on his podcast that Orton was suppose to get the belt after him.
Benoit - Apparently he supported HHH and Steph's relationship and this was a thank you to him. He then went back to the midcard and ECW (the C show).
Rey - Lost every match as a champ and it was done to capitalize on Eddie's death.
Punk - Listen to his pipe bomb, was always second to Cena and was suppose to trade belts with Bryan but they had to keep him strong for Rocky and Cena. Not to mention when he was at his hottest they stuck him with HHH.
Bryan - Won the Money in the Bank briefcase because they didn't want two heels to win it. Was not at the arena and they had to bring him in for the cash in. Was suppose to be a comedy champion, you know the little guy that has a big mouth going against the giants that can squash him? Yeah, he was also suppose to drop the belt to Sheamus in 18 seconds... The reason he beat Cena is because Cena insisted he wanted to drop the belt to Bryan. They figured they would use him to get heat on Randy until the conquering babyface Batista would come to the rescue and beat Orton... Also he won at Mania but was suppose to get squashed by Brock so that the conquering Babyface, Reigns, would come to the rescue.
Rollins - Maybe they like him? However, it was suppose to be Reigns' night until the pesky fans kept booing him and they had to improvise. He was going to drop the belt to Reigns or Sheamus this month.
So, none of those guys where chosen. They were a byproduct of circumstance. Vince has always chosen big muscular guys like Hogan, Luger, Diesel, Rocky, HHH, Batista, Orton, Sheamus and Reigns. Rumor is he didn't choose Austin or Cena.
Austin got lucky thanks to the Madison Square Garden Incident, King of the Ring was supposed to win by HHH. Cena got lucky because they were trying to find new faces to replace the void left by Lesnar.
This is something that was very much true in the 80's that has just carried over into the new generation. The steroid scandal forced him to open up to ideas that he likely wouldn't have without it. I do think that Vince will always prefer that his main event is made up of bigger guys, but he does bend on it now.
"vince hates small guys" is a excuse internet smarks use for their favorite indy heroes not being World Champion. Maybe Vince doesn't want to turn his show into PWG, and company no one knows or cares about.
Silly thread title. The perception is not that Vince hates smaller wrestlers. It is that he prefers to have the larger guys working the main event.
It's not a myth.
Certain smaller talents have indeed played prominent roles for Vince and WWE, however, size will always be a factor in determining who they give opportunities to.
It's not even necessarily flawed thinking. The belt is the Heavyweight championship. The flaws arise when guys get pushed solely because of their size or look. They still need to be a package deal.
Vince has always been a body guy. I would of thought the whole WBF was a clear indicator that he wants to be fucking Mr. Olympia. 'Smaller' guys have gotten pushes (although I wouldn't call Bret, Shawn, Jericho etc.) small, but usually after or once the bigger guys have had theirs. Look at some of the names he was pushing into the main event scene in the early to mid 90s. Warrior, Sid, Luger, Diesel, among others. If given the chance, he WILL push the mastodons he has such a blatant hard-on for first.
Yea you can look at the last few years and see just how much that little myth is bullshit. They killed Drew McIntyre's push and released him, Big E floundered from his debut until the New Day took off, they released Mason Ryan, royally fucked up Ryback's push with the Hell in a Cell match, haven't done shit with Luke Harper or Cesaro and really the list just goes on and on.
While Daniel Bryan main evented WrestleMania 30 and beat HHH, Randy Orton & Batista in one night, CM Punk had a record breaking title reign and Seth Rollins got more TV time than anyone in the company over the past year.
Bryan main-eventing Wrestlemania was never originally planned. Bryan confirmed he was due for a match with Sheamus but that was scrapped. The fans forced Vince's hand and we got a better 'Mania for it I.E. one that didn't have Batista vs Orton main-eventing and having garbage thrown at them.
Punk DID have a record breaking title reign, but his matches were an afterthought. Cena vs Laurinaitis main evented a show he was on. Twice! Then there came a point where they had to build the title for Rock at the Rumble, roughly around NoC, so for roughly 3/4 of his title reign he was playing second banana to whoever was main eventing on the PPV.
Seth Rollins isn't even small. He's over 6'1 and muscular in build as well as being legitimately strong. That said, he was still booked like a wuss, for the most part.
I just want to know why this myth that Vince only cares and will use muscle guys still exists. When you look at guys he's put the top title on like
Chris Jericho- 1st undisputed champ, multiple other World titles, Most IC titles ever, main evented a Mania.
Eddie Guerrero- Beat Brock Lesnar for a World title. Walked out of Mania champ over Kurt Angle. Pushed as a top 3 face (and heel) on Smackdown until his death.
Chris Benoit- won a Rumble main evented a Mania made HHH and HBK tap in consecutive PPVs).
Rey Mysterio- Won a Rumble and world title at Mania. Multiple world championships. Pushed as a top 5 face his entire time until he was too injured to use consistently.
Miz- went from Diva Search host to Tag champ to midcard title holder to WWE champ and main evented and walked out of a Mania as champ.
So with all those guys balancing out the giants and muscle guys why are some hardcore fans still pretending the averaged sized guys have no chance to succeed?
But what is your fucking definition of "small guys"? Most of these guys you mentioned are of fucking average size for a wrestler, as the majority of them are over 6 ft. and over 200 lbs.
Vince doesnt hate people who can make money for him... He knew guys like Chris Jericho and Cm Punk were amazing talent, thats why he decided to give them some kayfabes acomplishment.
But his preference for muscle and bigger guys is undeniable.
The people you mentioned were much more talented and some were close to vince and some were his pet projects that he wanted to succeed.Plus guys like bryan,eddie,benoit were much over to force into main event
Allso Kurt angle. Kurt is 5ft11. Vince saw his talent it was actually HHH that tried to tell Vince angle was too small for the belt. But ya in recent years he seems to have gone back to the 80s and wants big guys with limited moves.
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