People were complaining about them getting 2.8 and 2.9 with Bryan.
The truth is ratings should've been way worst but because Bryan was a big ratings draw, they didn't draw the 2.5, 2.4 they've been drawing the last couple of months and 2.16 they drew this week.
Bryan is like Bret Hart, a top draw but haters will talk shit about their drawing ability because they were in a bad era but the truth is they drew much more than any other top stars (Bret compared to Diesel, Michaels, Luger and Bryan compared to Reigns, Rollins , etc.).
EXCUSE ME? They didn't have a storyline where Stephanie had Big Show held hostage so he couldn't help Bryan from getting beat down every week. Or when they tried to bury Bryan at HIAC 2012 by having Michaels kick him out of the blue and then go straight into a Big Show vs Orton program..a program fans turned on big time at Survivor Series 2013.
I know a good product draws, and I will say that since CM Punk left and Daniel Bryan got injured, there really hasn't been anything to get the crowd buzzing like they did and I lost major interest when they went, Kevin Owens came close but of course he hit that Cena glass ceiling
Who cares about ratings? Bryan/Punk had the largest face response anybody has had since early John Cena, or when Rock/Austin left. Reigns is more of the same mixed bullshit, where most PPV crowds absolutely shit on him, and most pro-Reigns RAW crowds give him the worst top face pops I've ever heard. Listen to the way crowds hung on every word of Punk/Bryan promos compared to what they do during Reigns promos. Like it's downright fucking laughable.
This is a ratings thread not reactions thread. Stick to the topic at hand. I'm sure there is a Reigns reaction thread where you can rant about Bryan and punks reactions.
I don't think Bryan in general was the "big ratings draw" though. I think it was the storyline in general. Bryan was very easy to get invested in and hope to God he gets what he has been chasing. Wish Orton wasn't booked like a bitch but oh well.
It was definitely Bryan. You can't replace anyone else on the roster in that angle and it works. No one else would have come up with "Yes". Stop kidding yourself, Daniel Bryan was the best thing to happen to the WWE in over 15 years and longer.
Pretty much. No one is a draw in this day and age. It takes consistent strong booking to become a major draw in any era, and the only wrestlers who receive such favorable booking are the golden boys, who invariably have become less of a draw due to the times we live in, where everyone is tired of WWE's go-to formula. WWE need to think outside of the box to create a new draw, instead of going in the same direction they've used since before Hogan.
Bryan is certainly the closest thing to a draw that WWE have managed in recent years (and that is inspite of (and partially helped by) their ineptitude). The only people who ever really questioned Bryan's connection with the audience were inbittered, contrarian, anti-smarks who endlessly hate the notion of anyone becoming a main-eventer if they don't fit Vince's spoon-fed ideals of what a superstar should be. The ratings won't bump back up to a 3.7 if he returns next week, but people will tune-in to see him.
Lol you marks are incredible. It is just a coincidence. Having a 2.5 2.0 or 0.5 has zero to do with Reigns and Rollins. And its not a reason to twist see this proves they suck, and my fav is so much better. No one man an alter the ratings, and no man regardless of screen time is the reason for positive or negative ratings. It has to do with the whole product, not who is champion at the time. So no Bryan is not a Draw, the real draw has been proven to be the Rock in not just ratings. HE brought WWE to numbers and heights not seen since in the early 2000s. One Raw in 1999 he helped Raw get a 5.0. Times have changed though. .So stop using ratings and demos to prove things, its just a coincidence.
Bryan was great he is a big draw. He is loved by 90% of crowds not 50/50. Anyone who denies it is a Bryan hater. It's just the facts. The show is better with him, then without him.
No, because people like to forget that Bryan was on top while The Shield, the most popular faction of the last decade, was simultaneously at its peak. The show was WAYYY more fun when those guys were together and it's no coincidence that it started to decline a couple of months after they were split. They covered all of each other's weaknesses and looked like an unstoppable force. Reigns carried himself like a monster and he's very attractive, which did wonders for his mainstream appeal. Rollins talked very little and did his hype flippy shit to get over. Ambrose killed it on the mic and sweet talked the ladies. All of these strengths were enhanced 3x over and you NEVER saw their flaws. After they split, Ambrose's character turned to shit, Reigns turned into a bootleg Cena clone, and Rollins turned into a boring chicken shit with too much damn screentime. However, as a unit, The Shield was a huge driving factor to the success of the show, and you are lying to yourself if you think Bryan could have maintained those ratings alone.
Well I do believe Bryan is a bigger draw than people give him credit for. You have a point here. I came back in 2012 when Brock was back. But only watched part time. However 2013 was awesome. It had s much better overall product like you mentioned.
Usually when I look at Monday Night TV ratings, WWE's 8, 9 and 10 PM are always all right next to each other.
10 PM shows 2.7 million. All 3 hours combine for 2.9 viewers.
They wanted 2 million people on WWE Network, yet they almost lost Half A Million people by end of Raw.
I think we all need to stop watching. They drop another 300k while we go on strike, they will have to do something. The funny thing, I left last month, when things were dipping. This weeks ratings are terrible.
Bryan is a draw to the ones who are already watching wrestling week after week, no matter how crappy it is. Not the masses, not the more important casual audience. After he got stripped last year numbers started to creep back up if I recall. When he was advertised to return this year the number still sucked. And let's not forget SS 2013's buyrate. People want to blame Reigns then why not blame Bryan for their big show doing worse than 2012 despite a much better build? If he was still around week after week the numbers will still be in the low-mid 2s at best.
Its a terrible Era for any champion IMO. They had a show recently with Austin, Flair, HBK etc on it and the rating was still shit and those were guys proven to draw a lot. The products dead, no ones watching regardless.
During Rollins' title reign, we were told that as soon as he was no longer the focus of the show, that ratings for Raw and general inteest in the product would increase significantly right away. Not only has that not happened, but the Ratings have fallen to an unthinkable level that they haven't ever fallen to in the history of this company. Now maybe those people have learned their lesson that NO ONE on the roster is a draw, including anyone that Vince is booking strong and thinks is his next top babyface.
Getting on Bryan's jock is funny, too. Pretty sure Vince would kill to have the ratings they had when he was on top.
During Rollins' title reign, we were told that as soon as he was no longer the focus of the show, that ratings for Raw and general inteest in the product would increase significantly right away.
They had every opportunity to make this possible and blew it on the day they revealed the tournament bracket. Let alone the lackluster way it was carried out and the final result. I cosigned more interest being generated if it was booked correctly, but do you really think I expected a straight forward tournament full of jobbers to draw?
By what, stating facts? He wasn't the draw, the show was just good. Put him on RAW in pointless tag matches with Neville every week and see what happens.
Well, when Bryan won the title after Summerslam he managed to help sustain the ratings from going down despite Cena going on a hiatus. When Bryan was on the RTWM 30 the ratings where high. DB is not only a substantial draw, but he's the most popular full-time performer that they have even while still being out with an injury. He was getting crossover attention all over the place while WWE did their best to ignore it. His return would certainly generate interest and excitement
The problem is much deeper than that tho -- I seriously doubt that even The Rock would make a big difference in the ratings these days. The format is garbage and the storylines are not interesting at all to the normal human being. They have capable characters but they're using them wrong. Reigns vs Sheamus is nowhere near their biggest problem right now when you look at the bigger picture
Bryan wasn't much of a ratings draw. He was the most over in terms of crowd reactions in years but what Bryan marks fail to understand when they compare him Austin and Rock is that the crowds that were giving him those reactions were all wrestling fans. Casual fans who didn't give a shit about wrestling were paying to see Hogan, Austin, Rock while Bryan was just over with the wrestling fans, there is a massive difference.
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