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The ending of Cena matches are getting lazier and lazier. I don't even care if he's winning, I just want an arc that leads to it.

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#1 · (Edited)
I hated the ending of the match with Ziggler last night on Raw, not just because he won, but because the psychology was extremely lazy:

It's almost like they wrote the entire match as if Ziggler was going to win and then real quick someone crosses out Ziggler/Rollins/Owens/whoever winning, wrote at the bottom of the script "Attitude Adjustment, lol cena wins". If you are going to have Cena kick out of a Zig Zag, that means you add another 5-10 minutes to the match to make Cena work back to it.

At the recent MSG show, Rollins jumped off the top of the cage and instead of Cena actually going for a pin, he needs to Attitude Adjustment Rollins to win (falling off a 15 foot high steel cage isn't enough to knock someone out but just another slam is).

It even happened at Money In The Bank 2015 against Kevin Owens, very shortly after a Pop-Up Powerbomb kick out, lol springboard stunner, Cena wins.

I feel like I am watching a WWE video game where someone uses gameshark and gives Cena a finisher right after Cena kicks out of a move and he uses it right away and wins.

Please, stop doing that. There's no psychology in it.

(Ice Out)
 
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#43 ·
I hated this match and I'm hating the whole US Open Challenge and no one has beaten the motherfucker known as John Cena.

The fucker is so egotistical that he cant's fucking help himself. He could never look weak just fucking ONCE!!! I'm not a fan of Ziggler but c'mon, can't you do SOMETHING unpredictable.

If I were gonna book this match heading into Hell in a Cell and knowing Cena is leaving, I'd have Ziggler win via roll-up for some unpredictability and make the crowd pop. (Come on, it'll be a shocker) And then have Dolph Ziggler defend the title at Hell in a Cell and Ziggler would win by cheating and he could give an injury writing Cena to fuck off for his vacation.

Now, does this sound fucking better? It's fucking simple! BUT NOOOOO! CENA CAN'T FUCKING LOSE.

He's worse than Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, and Hulk Hogan combined.
 
#46 ·
Now, does this sound fucking better? It's fucking simple! BUT NOOOOO! CENA CAN'T FUCKING LOSE.

He's worse than Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, and Hulk Hogan combined.
Preach it! I am more and more coming to the conclusion that Cena is the absolute worst booked "star" character in wrestling history. It is no wonder people are growing sick of him. He is the poster boy of the PG era and in large part embodies everything that is wrong with it.
 
#28 ·
This is only the tip of the Cena is cancer to prowrestling iceberg.

The other day Rollins hits a Frogsplash on Cena, but instead of Cena getting his knees up or anything to block it, he simply rolls through picks Rollins up and AAs him for the win...

and then you had the commentary slobbering all over him... big match John yada yada...

It's absolutely the worst... to removes any illusion in what we are watching and makes everyone in the ring with him look like a total joke... even the current reigning WWE World Champion...

Cena and his booking are horrible. When Rollins was told that ending I'm sure he just rolled his eyes and pocketed his pay cheque.
 
#38 ·
Cena no sells finishers and then powers back up to full health for quick AA and a pin.
It is plain awful booking and ends up cheapening the other wrestlers. Cena's character is very unbalanced, his win/lost ratio is just ridiculous and how he is scripted to almost always kick out at two only to then easily pin opponents after a single AA is not credible in the least. No wonder people are growing more and more tired of it. I saw people giving WWE a lot of heat on Twitter due to the way his match with Dolph played out.
 
#10 ·
Cena's problem was different back then, I've gone back to some of his older matches with HHH, HBK, Edge, Orton and even Bobby Lashley, the criticism with those matches is that he just can't wrestle and has a limited moveset and doesn't sell (which he still doesn't). They weren't false kickout finisher fests, they were just either mediocre or good matches that Cena held down with an ugly STF or limited moveset.

Now the new criticism is that he has the moveset of a video game CAW that tells very little story, does moves that his opponent could probably do better, doesn't even use some of his old moves he's actually better at and refuses to even attempt to play a character, just so the announcers can say he's "Big Match John", instead of overcoming the odds. Now he's trying to overcome the odds of trying to get 4-stars from Dave Meltzer.

I guess it all falls under the umbrella of Cena not being a great wrestler, just different eras meaning different problems.
 
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#13 ·
WWE can't have matches that don't end with finishers. What do you expect? 15 foot fall isn't enough, damnit!
 
#23 ·
Cena doesn't understand how professional wrestling works and he has no respect for the artistry that goes into building a proper match.

All of his matches are literally the same. His opponents lands 80% of the offense until it's time for them to trade big moves and kick outs, then he hits an AA out of nowhere for the win. There is no psychology, there are no significant, lasting momentum shifts, it's just doing moves for the sake of doing moves. The only reason people get into his matches is because they want to see him lose, because they are sick to death of him always fucking winning.

Now, if you look at a properly constructed match. Like Angle vs Benoit from Royal Rumble 2003. It had momentum shifts, guys hitting big moves, building to them hitting even bigger moves. Angle started gaining the advantage towards the end of the match, Benoit fought valiantly to turn the tides but he just couldn't do it and succumbed to the Ankle Lock, but after he had countered it many times and Angle MADE AN ADJUSTMENT, to counter the counters and he grapevined Benoit's leg.

The other example of Okada vs Tanahashi from the last Wrestle Kingdom. Momentum shifts, guys adjusting to each other's offense, until Tanahashi starting to build momentum, he hit big move after big move, all working to a finish, Okada fought desperately to try and turn the tide but he couldn't mount a lasting offense. The moment that Okada hit that big desperation drop kick was brilliant, but it wasn't enough to stem the tide and he lost.

There is nothing like that in Cena's matches. It's just moves for the sake of moves. It's not building to anything, it's just moves until the finish. It's fucking garbage.
 
#12 ·
These are my thoughts exactly. He can win all he wants, I dont care, but when he starts doing that pop up shit like he's a fucking puppet in a musical box into an AA, then I get annoyed. It completely kills the physiology (what's left anyways) and makes every match predictable. He can't do a simple reversal into an AA? Or does he want to be like Orton with his RKOs? Because if he does then it ain't working John.
 
#21 ·
I hated the ending of the match with Ziggler last night on Raw, not just because he won, but because the psychology was extremely lazy:

It's almost like they wrote the entire match as if Ziggler was going to win and then real quick someone crosses out Ziggler/Rollins/Owens/whoever winning, wrote at the bottom of the script "Attitude Adjustment, lol cena wins". If you are going to have Cena kick out of a Zig Zag, that means you add another 5-10 minutes to the match to make Cena work back to it.

At the recent MSG show, Rollins jumped off the top of the cage and instead of Cena actually going for a pin, he needs to Attitude Adjustment Rollins to win (falling off a 15 foot high steel cage isn't enough to knock someone out but just another slam is)....

....Please, stop doing that. There's no psychology in it.
Agreed. It's like they are trying to drive home a point by having Cena pick up Ziggler's limp body, drag him into the ring, and give a pointless Fireman's Carry Slam (AA). All the while no-selling the previous offense/finishers from his opponent. It would be different if he struggled to pick up his opponent, but nope. Right on top of the shoulders, AA, CenaWinsLOL.

Gimme a break fpalm
 
#25 ·
Listing two matches and forgetting Angle had his own formula he uses for his matches. Every wrestler has a formula they use in all their matches.

This is 5 moves of doom all over again. A fallacy of tired arguments meant to try justify an insane notion that a guy who everyone in the business says is great, actually isn't.
 
#34 ·
A fallacy of tired arguments meant to try justify an insane notion that a guy who everyone in the business says is great, actually isn't.
Yeah... go ahead and give some examples then of people in the business who would actually say Cena is great which aren't either:

A) already getting a paycheck from Vince (i.e. Flair)
or
B) looking to get a future paycheck from Vince (i.e. Angle)

I'll be waiting quite awhile me thinks... :hmm
 
#30 ·
I 100% thought, to throw it on our face and Cesaro's face, they would give it to Ziggler just really piss everyone off. But too many cheered for Ziggler.

Vince is gonna wait til someone gets a really bad response. Which is why I thought Big E was gonna get it. They royally screwed up not giving Big E the championship, it was perfect timing, and now whenever it happens its just going to be "oh my god, about fucking time".

I remember when those NXT guys made the US Open Challenge worth something to watch, but since Cesaro's shot, its been nothing but, butt fucking ugly. Cena and Nikki don't sell shit. They act like they are flawless the whole time, its always the other person's excitement that draws you to think just maybe they can win.
 
#35 ·
The match on Raw against Ziggler even had its own built-in 'Cena might lose' clause.

Everyone knew Cena would beat Ziggler, because it's Cena.

So, during the match, commentary were told to talk about how Cena was jet lagged from his Japan tour and was struggling with being tired.

Even WWE know Cena always wins to the point that they have to build excuses into the commentary.

Even the most ardent Cena Fans, or 'Cancer patients', as they should be called, can't deny that.
 
#37 · (Edited)
I think WWE leaked Cena's break, and potential vacate, to make people actually think its possible. I say 99% of matches Cena wins, keeps all the kids happy, like watching Harlem Globetrotters.

But I thought Big E and then Ziggler might win, like a .0001% chance, solely because I read about Cena's break and need to either lose belt or vacate.
 
#39 ·
I just wish the dumb ass fans would stop doing the cena sucks chant.

For fucks sake, when half the audience is chanting lets go cena, then the other half should chant for the opposing wrestler.

He loves that shit. It's kept him on top for a decade. Stop feeding that fucking troll. Stop booing him. Stop chanting he sucks. Just let that half of the audience who loves him say their shit, and then walk off for a piss break or something. That would have more impact. If half the arena got up and left when Cena came out.
 
#45 ·
THIS 100%. It's ridiculous how those "smart" fans don't understand that no reaction has a bigger impact than bad reaction, especially when Cena himself said that thousands of times in his promos.

People kick out his finisher, it's "finishers mean nothing" he wins with his finisher it's "omg so predictable, CenawinsLOL"

Still was the loudest and best match on the show. Not broke, why fix it?
Makes no sense to say someone sucks when the guy is putting on the best matches with the hottest crowds and somehow act like that's a terrible thing.
So, how much do they pay you for this? Cena is a good worker but he isn't the reason why those matches are considered good. Other wrestlers are on offence 80% of the time in those matches and it is up to them to make the match good. Zayn, Owens, Cesaro, Rollins are very good wrestlers and they prove it every time they step in to the ring. If you think that Cena should be praised for those matches, watch him against Woods who isn't on the level of other challengers, not that good right? Kicking out of finishers should be saved for big PPVs, because when you don't do that you end up in the corner and you have to do 3 finishers to end a stupid US title match(s/o Cena vs Owens). I honestly like that Cena is going back to winning with one finisher but how can you defend him kicking out of the finishers of others? He literally doesn't sell half of the moves, look at the Ziggler's match, Cena gets DDT'ed from top rope, superkicked and Zig Zagged then he pops up like nothing happend and hits AA. It makes people look like a joke and it didn't start now, it happens every time on those challenges. It looks like they were made to prove to people that Cena is superior to everybody and their finishers are jokes. The fact that people think that losing to Cena on Raw elevates anybody is so sad, Ambrose, Cesaro, Rollins, Woods, Ziggler sure are elevated, right? Didn't mention Owens because he fought him on PPVs and actually is doing something that makes sense. Crowd is hot during these matches I'll give you that. Kids love Cena so they chant for him, Rest of the crowd hates Cena and they boo him/cheer for the challenger. Bottom line is Cena is not that good, his lack of selling should be looked down upon, those challenges are a joke and whatever people may think, I'm glad that he won't be here for few months.
 
#41 ·
Deezy said:
Sabu on WrestletalkTV
Nope. As I said before come up with people who don't have a connection to Vince's payroll.

Sabu was paid by Vince to put Cena over and obviously doesn't want to burn bridges.

Nice try though.

Deezy said:
Mark Madden, an ardent critic of all things WWE.

Meltzer who isn't on the WWE payroll.

And the long list of former employees who are asked about him on every Youshoot since it started.
Yeah, great article/url sourcing there ^ :eyeroll

How about I simply say those people said the opposite and hate Cena instead without having any kind of source as well?

Have a source or it didn't happen...
 
#52 ·
Nope. As I said before come up with people who don't have a connection to Vince's payroll.

Sabu was paid by Vince to put Cena over and obviously doesn't want to burn bridges.

Nice try though.



Yeah, great article/url sourcing there ^ :eyeroll

How about I simply say those people said the opposite and hate Cena instead without having any kind of source as well?

Have a source or it didn't happen...
Have a clue or it doesn't matter.

Jesus even Konnan who said he hates Cena has said on the MLW podcast that Cena was a great worker.

Sabu was paid to say that, holyshit. Take the tinfoil off when it's hot, melting your brain.
 
#58 ·
The Big E match was even worse imo.

If I remember correctly, Big ran that shit for about ten minutes, Cena only hit one clothesline the whole time.

Then, out of nowhere, AA and Cena wins.

I just came from the Raven thread about psychology, and this is a perfect example of that.
 
#2 ·
I hated the ending of the match with Ziggler last night on Raw, not just because he won, but because the psychology was extremely lazy:

It's almost like they wrote the entire match as if Ziggler was going to win and then real quick someone wrote at the bottom of the script "Attitude Adjustment, lol cena wins". If you are going to have Cena kick out of a Zig Zag, that means you add another 5-10 minutes to the match to make Cena work back to it.

At the recent MSG show, Rollins jumped off the top of the cage and instead of Cena actually going for a pin, he needs to Attitude Adjustment Rollins to win (falling off a 15 foot high steel cage isn't enough to knock someone out but just another slam is).

It even happened at Money In The Bank 2015 against Kevin Owens, very shortly after a Pop-Up Powerbomb kick out, lol springboard stunner, Cena wins.

I feel like I am watching a WWE video game where someone uses game shark and gives Cena a finisher right after Cena kicks out of a move and he uses it right away and wins.

Please, stop doing that. There's no psychology in it.

(Ice Out)
The ending was really pathetic. They tried to make it some sort of Attitude Adjustment out of nowhere! So stupid.
 
#4 ·
...are we really getting nostalgia about things wwe started in the same run being better merely months ago? Sheesh!

The ending was really pathetic. They tried to make it some sort of Attitude Adjustment out of nowhere! So stupid.
Yeah, what do you think this is an RKO!?
 
#11 ·
Its WWE's top babyface formula. Its just that Cena's execution of the AA just isn't as crisp as the RKO or superkick. Cena can be more fluid with the counter/finisher routine with the STF but then that would make having wrestlers tap out which would create another bitchfest of Cena burying others with submission.
 
#17 ·
Makes no sense to say someone sucks when the guy is putting on the best matches with the hottest crowds and somehow act like that's a terrible thing.

As opposed to the guys who have Indy cred, a smatter of applause for the entrance but during the match its like a soundproof booth.
 
#49 ·
I'm beyond bored with Cena matches in general. All of them are the same. It's nothing but him and his opponent kicking out of each other's finishers, Cena trying some new move that he mostly botches, the crowd chanting "this is awesome" at random points, and then an AA out of nowhere to end the match. There's no story, no build, no psychology whatsoever.

I remember people saying the TLC match with Rollins and Ambrose was "boring", but I liked it because it wasn't just finishers, finishers, finishers, kick out, kick out, ref bump. It had a damn story.
 
#50 ·
you forgotten the most important one : you already know he's gonna win just as soon as he kicks out of a finisher , you know the other wrestler is fucked .
 
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