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I think WWE will send themselves out of business

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Only so long can you hang onto stars made in the past.

The fact of the matter is the WWE relies on their ability to make stars.

They have always done this. They turned Hogan into a superstar. They made macho man a huge star. They made brett hart and HBK huge stars. They made Stone Cold into the biggest star in wrestling history. They made the Rock into a massive star. They made Taker a huge star. They made Batista a huge star.

But that is where it ended. Since then there has been nobody but Cena. He is the only star made in the last 10 years (and he sucks btw).

Without stars the WWE will not make money and will go out of business. It is that simple. And imo they can't do this, they can no longer make stars. There is no way we will ever get another stone cold steve austin. No longer will we get someone who brings millions of new eyes to the product and the industry like when stone cold single handedly gave the wwf 5 million more viewers every monday night.

WWE sucks. It will never be good. Is it time to give up?
 
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Give up.

Stock is up, shows have been great and they've been killing it on PPVs if you can't see that. Give up and find something else to nitpick to the point on unenjoyment.
Raw and WWE isnt great, ROH is great sometimes, NJPW is great almost all the time, and LU is great all the time, the lack of comparasion will make WWE no.1, but yeah no way WWE will go out of business, they would need to piss off badly their audience or the executives do something really really stupid for that to happen
 
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You have to know business. The only reason a business goes out, well two reasons, is either, no one likes your product(they're sold out every week in every town, basically no matter what they do anymore), or a business that delivers a product similar to yours does it better, and the only ones I can think of are indies, which is a very opinionated statement, considering a lot of people enjoy more drama mixed with the pro wrestling.

They just opened their own network, and HHH and steph have taken over charge.. they aren't gonna go out of business, and it can either get better or worse from now on, but it will change, and i'm putting my money on better since HHH and steph both grew up in this industry, in very different ways, HHH being the one that grew up as a wwe performer himself, so he is quite aware of what makes a good show, but he doesn't have all say on it yet.. look at NXT, HHH knows what he is doing, it's just he;s not the only one doing it, and steph has a fresh mind, a mcmahon mind, which we need.. you mix the two together and I can only see it getting better in the decades to come.
 
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It's only been 12 years of these shitty "WWE is gonna go out of business because they aren't booking it the way I would!!" posts? It feels like much, much longer.
 
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It's only been 12 years of these shitty "WWE is gonna go out of business because they aren't booking it the way I would!!" posts? It feels like much, much longer.
Right, he mentions the wwe relies on old stars, but if you follow the wwe on twitter, there is countless people actually asking them to stop bringing in old stars and focus on the new talent, so people will enjoy it, different strokes for different folks.
 
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Businesses come, businesses go.

The WWE made a couple of stars, or attempted to over the past 5 years. They attempted to make Sheamus a star, he flopped. They tried to make CM Punk a star, he flopped (due to various reasons), they tried to make Daniel Bryan a star and he unfortunately got injured, and they rushed Roman Reigns to the main event. There's still hope for RR to be a big star in the future. And lets not forget that Steen beat Cena in his first ever match. You just don't book someone that strong w/out future plans for the man.

Hell, back in the height of the Rock n Roll Era (WWE's Golden Era) Vince brought back old stars like Bruno from time to time. During the Attitude Era, guys like Big Boss Man, George the Animal, and Sgt. Slaughter were brought back in various roles. Stop acting like Vince bringing back the old stars is some new freaking thing and will be the demise of the WWE.

The WWE will be fine. Ratings are decent, profits are still doing well. Until some Indy rises and gives the WWE a run for it's money, I don't see WWE going away anytime soon.
 
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Businesses come, businesses go.

The WWE made a couple of stars, or attempted to over the past 5 years. They attempted to make Sheamus a star, he flopped. They tried to make CM Punk a star, he flopped (due to various reasons), they tried to make Daniel Bryan a star and he unfortunately got injured, and they rushed Roman Reigns to the main event. There's still hope for RR to be a big star in the future. And lets not forget that Steen beat Cena in his first ever match. You just don't book someone that strong w/out future plans for the man.

Hell, back in the height of the Rock n Roll Era (WWE's Golden Era) Vince brought back old stars like Bruno from time to time. During the Attitude Era, guys like Big Boss Man, George the Animal, and Sgt. Slaughter were brought back in various roles. Stop acting like Vince bringing back the old stars is some new freaking thing and will be the demise of the WWE.

The WWE will be fine. Ratings are decent, profits are still doing well. Until some Indy rises and gives the WWE a run for it's money, I don't see WWE going away anytime soon.
Not at all. You compare them bringing back boss man and people? When anyone came back (an old timer) during the Hogan era it didn't matter. Hogan and his programme were still number 1. Same with anyone bought back during stone cold's era. You could bring back ANYONE in that era and stone cold would still be more over than them and a bigger draw. The old timers used to be bought back to add to the product. Now the whole company relies on them to draw any money because they cant make stars anymore. Closest to a star they made recently was cm punk
 
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I'd be surprised if they were still around in August 2020. Also LOL at the white knights itt.
LOL at the stupid fucking doomsayers who aren't old enough to realize people have been saying this "WWE won't be around in 5-10 years" stuff since 2003.

Yea sure WWE is going out of business and precious internet favorites like Lucha Underground (absolutely will be out of business by 2020, will be lucky to even get a 2nd season at this point) will have taken it's place right?
 
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Like I am going to start saying:

You don't need 10 million people watching Raw every Monday to stay in Business....you only need it if you have competition.

So first we need another promotion capable of out performning WWE, but none really are as big of traveling act, TNA is, but someone they managed to sink.


The other thing I am gonna say, WWE will remain in business even if Raw runs a 2.0-2.5 for the next 10 years. As long as people subscribe to WWE Network, and the number of subscribers continues to climb, there is no way Raw or WWE go anywhere, even if Raw has to get on Hulu or WWE Network.


The funny thing, coincidentally I read Bleacher Report post from 2012ish today ( i read it this afternoon for first time), just after the 1000th episode, they questioned if Raw would be around for 2,000th episode, and had 10 reason why it "might not" be here.

Guess what, those 10 reasons 140 episodes ago, are the same reasons why it will still might sink. So I think threads need to be brought up, cause WWE needs answers. I missed a lot of 2012, and I can't believe how bad the programming was.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1291186-10-reasons-why-wwe-may-not-make-it-to-raw-2000
 
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Like I am going to start saying:

You don't need 10 million people watching Raw every Monday to stay in Business....you only need it if you have competition.

So first we need another promotion capable of out performning WWE, but none really are as big of traveling act, TNA is, but someone they managed to sink.


The other thing I am gonna say, WWE will remain in business even if Raw runs a 2.0-2.5 for the next 10 years. As long as people subscribe to WWE Network, and the number of subscribers continues to climb, there is no way Raw or WWE go anywhere, even if Raw has to get on Hulu or WWE Network.


The funny thing, coincidentally I read Bleacher Report post from 2012ish today ( i read it this afternoon for first time), just after the 1000th episode, they questioned if Raw would be around for 2,000th episode, and had 10 reason why it "might not" be here.

Guess what, those 10 reasons 140 episodes ago, are the same reasons why it will still might sink. So I think threads need to be brought up, cause WWE needs answers. I missed a lot of 2012, and I can't believe how bad the programming was.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1291186-10-reasons-why-wwe-may-not-make-it-to-raw-2000
Just read the top 10 list and its pretty stupid if you ask me especially the #1 reason. First the WWE is nothing like WCW. WCW was a minor piece of a major organization while the WWE is freestanding company. the WWE is a billion dollar company while Turner purchased WCW for a few million.

So the cost in obtaining controling interest in the WWE would be too expensive for a company to do and then kill the company, this would take years. Can you imaginea company pay 500 Million to 1 billion for controling interest in a company and then shutting it down a few years later. WONT HAPPEN

If the WWF were to fail IMO it would be for a few reasons.

1. Removal of the product RAW/Smackdown from Cable to the WWE Network
2. Increased competition from a Rival Wrestling promotion with deep pockets
3. some type of lawsuit or judgement against the WWE with regards to healthcare and the status of wrestlers as independent contractors.
 
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There's no way they'll go out of business, the moment things start looking really bleak, i'd assume they'll make wholesale changes at management level, which will probably reignite the company, hopefully with a fresh new direction. There's only so much you can do when every idea gets vetoed by a batshit crazy pensioner and his bucktoothed manservant.
 
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Lesnar is the star these days. Amazing when people leave him out
I'm guessing Bryan / Punk are always forgotten in these threads because it doesn't Sui an agenda
Bryan, punk and lesnar? None of them bring new eyes to the product. None of them are taking wwe to another level. They are ok I suppose, but they arent major stars. WWE need some stars who are just ACTUAL superstars like stone cold or the rock. Or like a ton of dudes in the attitude era. Lesnar cant draw or ever really get over despite being the most pushed guy in wwe history during both his runs.

Not everyone needs to be the rock or stone cold to be a star either. You can have decent level stars who make a good show like hbk or flair. But nah, we just get people who arent stars and totally shitty wrestling. I know alot of that is the booking. But man, compare any rollins promos to ANYTHING from 96-2002 and it just looks sad. Wrestling should of got better not worse. It is so corporate nowadays. Its easy to forget just how good wrestling was. And just how good stone cold was for the business. Go back and watch even a hbk promo (supposedly not the best promo guy) and it blows anything rollins could produce out of the water.

Wrestling is dying super fast. The whole industry is dying imo.
 
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There will always be an appetite for wrestling. WWE knows that, and they know how to deliver it. It's not always the best it can be, and we all know it could be much better than it is, but they're obviously doing things more right than wrong to be in the position they're in.

After all, there's a reason why WWE sits atop the mountain of professional wrestling/sports entertainment and not TNA, Lucha, RoH, NJPW, or anyone else. WWE will sit atop it as long as they want to. Even if business starts to turn bad, they have the name, means and reputation to fix any holes in their ship.

OP, you're very wrong.
 
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Reputations dont last forever. Their reputation is built on past stars. Thats the whole point I am making. And they rely on past stars to spark interest in their product. Ask current wrestling fans if they would rather see Rock vs Austin or Cena vs Lesnar and they will ALL say rock vs austin. Even though they are old.

Whereas in the past that wasn't the case. Ask fans in the attitude era if they would rather see rock vs austin or ultimate warrior vs macho man. Everyone would of said rock vs austin. There was no nostalgia because the current product was so good.

This is the only era ever where the two biggest stars (lesnar and cena probably) aren't who the fans want to see. That is a major problem.

Think of it this way. In the late 80s when arenas were sold out there wasnt a human on the planet those fans wanted to see more than Hogan. Fucking bruno samartino could come back and they would still want to see hogan. Same in the stone cold era. It didnt matter who came back. They could have the ultimate warrior come back, or some other huge star of the past. But to the fans in the arena it didnt matter. They wanted to see stone cold more than anyone else. Same with the rock.

Now it is completely different. Sure they sell out the arenas, but people going arent wanting to see cena and lesnar over past stars. Which shows how secondary these dudes are. If stone cold vs the rock was on at the same time as cena vs lesnar on the same night on different PPVs you would find it hard to find many fans who would watch the current stars over the old timers.

its a huge problem. WWe is dying.
 
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I've always thought this PG era was a part of a long term goal to bring in a new generation of fans. They'll grow up and come back to it from time to time just like we do. And LOL at thinking WWE will go out of business. The last time WWE were desperate Vince brought us the Attitude Era. If they get desperate again, they'll change their program until it works.
 
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For all the 'OF COURSE DEY ARE GONNA GO OUT OF BUSINESS DEY BURIED KEVIN OWENS!" types, do me a favor and look up the last fiscal year that the WWE lost money.

And then for all those years they WEREN'T losing money, ask yourself "Were there a bunch of people on the internet bitching about how WWE was going to go out of business soon?"
 
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The basic lure of wrestling is the heel vs. face psychological aspect. Even if the WWE dies out, the indies and grassroots shows will still go on. Slowly over time a new federation will form. Vince is like a stick in the river right now blocking the flow, blacklisting people and all of that nonsense. Once Vince is gone competition will improve.
 
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