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Jim Ross Comments on anyone who dislike John Cena

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
..at least according to Jim Ross on his latest blog on JR's BBQ.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/604311-jr-blog-ronda-rousey-ufc-190

He also discusses Piper & Rousey. I agree with him :denzel2

ACTUAL QUOTE:

Seems as if it's only the most uneducated and novice of wrestling fans who can truly dislike John Cena especially after watching his performance with a grotesquely broken nose on RAW. I can see where some may not enjoy John as much as others because he is "overexposed" in their view but to verbally castrate him for any other reason is borderline stupidity.
 
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Re: Hate Cena? Then You're Uneducated & Borderline Stupid

Jim Ross has sucked for years but this really takes the cake. In fact, I'd argue that the novice and uneducated fans are the ones who love John Cena. See, I can make stupid generalizations too.
Disagree.... Ross take is probably from the business side of things. Cena is solid in the ring, sells merch and is a great face of the company.

He's over exposed but thats really on VKM not having faith in anyone else.
 
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Right, i'm uneducated for disliking the fact that i've had my intelligence insulted for the past 10 years watching one man grind many prospective talents underneath his heel with his corny bullshit shtick. Great matches not counting, John Cena's trollish character has accomplished one thing, and that is driving thousands of people away from the product.
 
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Right, i'm uneducated for disliking the fact that i've had my intelligence insulted for the past 10 years watching one man grind many prospective talents underneath his heel with his corny bullshit shtick. Great matches not counting, John Cena's trollish character has accomplished one thing, and that is driving thousands of people away from the product.
Wrong!! He's driven away millions.. I shouldn't say Cena himself has, but his constant never ending push has. Cena was able to bring in the people he was targeting. However, he has driven away those who are not his character's target demographic. Any so called "hate" for Cena comes from him constantly beating, or being pushed over, other favorites. It's the exact opposite of why Daniel Bryan got over so huge (part of the reason anyway). It seemed like others were getting pushed over Bryan, so the crowd cheered louder for Bryan, hoping he would be pushed as a top star. It appeared as if other favorites were getting pushed below Cena, so the "Cena hate" began.. 10 years later, here we are
 
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it's stupid to dislike John Cena if you have a stupid reason to dislike him, but why the f^ck should people automatically like him because of his broken nose? a serial rapist could be limping to his victims with a broken foot, doesn't mean that I should start liking him for it.....
 
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Quite a marvel, that blog entry. He was right on point & insightful with the Piper analysis, went absolutely ruthless with the Cena observation and then right back to even keeled with the Rousey/Piper bit.

J.R. is absolutely serious here & that's what grabbed my attention.
 
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Quite a marvel, that blog entry. He was right on point & insightful with the Piper analysis, went absolutely ruthless with the Cena observation and then right back to even keeled with the Rousey/Piper bit.

J.R. is absolutely serious here & that's what grabbed my attention.
Jr doesn't seem to understand that what piper did then would only get him massively cheered today. Being an over babyface who isn't a kick ass one, like Daniel bryan the underdog is incredibly rare. the days of just coming out, smiling and waving to the crowd then executing some fast arm drags and high drop kicks automatically making you an over babyface are gone. Same as being cast as a superhero. By the same token, coming out and calling people idiots, and pulling tights doesnt make you a over heel. The fans dont care about that stuff anymore. They want to see intetesting characters, preferably ones who kick ass and take names. Roddy piper definitely kicked ass and took names and today hed be massively over as a face for doing what he did.

I am far from uneducated and I don't give a shit how badly broken his nose was, he finished the match as expected.
we all know cena is a tough man, and he's demonstrated that before. Is that callous? No its only what dozens of guys who aren't making 5 FIGURES a MATCH have done. That doesn't give him a free now you have to love me no matter what pass. He's still stale, sells tons of merchsndise, primarily because he gets new shit every 2 months that includes hat, shirt, wrist bands and a rally towel, all in the same eye catching colors. He will still get dominated during his matches, then win after a couple of moves and no sell what a beating he just took. He will continue his latest trend of losing the first match to a new guy, likely balor is next then winning the next 2 or 3 and the new guy will flounder in the mid card shuffle or his career will crash and burn.

Stop sucking rouseys ass. Layla Ali was just as dominant in women's boxing. She had the same attributes as rousey. Skilled, pretty, dominant. Everyone expected her to usher in a new respect for women's boxing, and women's athletics in general. The only thing was that she was so dominant because a lot of her opponents plain sucked. When she retired, so did women's boxing to a large degree. Rousey is so far above her contemporaries that when she retires the same thing will happen in women's mma, no one will care about it any more. Rousey and Ali perfectly capture one of the biggest secrets in combat sports: a lot of the best fighters simply are too much physically for their opponents to overcome and throw in skill it's not a fair contest. The true legends all exhibit this in their glory periods and it cuts across multiple disciplines:

Rocky Marciano hit too hard and was too tough and determined to lose
Floyd Mayweather was too smart and fast to even get hit most of the time, let alone lose. Roy Jones Jr IN HIS PRIME was exactly the same
teddy riner in judo is too tall, too strong for his opponents aND dominates.
Alexander Karelin was too big and strong in Greco-Roman wrestling, and would've retired undefeated except for wrestling 1 match more than his opponent and having a horrible call against him.
Ronda rousey and Layla as little are both too big, strong and skilled to be seriously challenged in their sports. It won't help women's mma for rousey to steamroll everyone. Want women's mma to suceed? Pray 3 or 4 women come along with style and charisma who drag rousey into a dogfight and beat her. If that don't happen, when she's gone no one will care until a new rousey comes along.
 
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I don't even want to read that article. It is perfectly valid to be sick and tired of John Cena and anyone who says otherwise is wrong. Dead wrong. I used to have so much respect for JR, and I still have some, but its dwindling. Things like this just further reinforce the eternal, undeniable truth that just because you Can do something really doesn't mean you Should. In his case he really shouldn't be blogging. Yes, I jumped the gun here.. but it's addressed below. JR my friend get into some pro BBQ circuits! It would rock to see him on BBQ postmasters on ole Destination America!

You know, and might I just add now that I thought about it.. "Hate" is becoming such an overused, devalued word it's nearing pathetic! There are better words to use in this context! For example, I would say I am disgusted with John Cena, quite disgusted, but I don't "hate" him, I don't wish ill on him to the extent "hate" implies. I wouldn't be at all heart broken if he left WWE.. But I don't want to see anyone get their face caved in either.

Edit: And on the note of the quote snippit posted below, that's fine and dandy. Still doesn't change the fact I want to see JR on that show, it would be funny to hear him and Myron jaw jacking. It also changes nothing on my thoughts on how "hate" is getting tossed around too often.
 
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Quick to react, slow to read:denzel2 The full quote:

JR said:
Seems as if it's only the most uneducated and novice of wrestling fans who can truly dislike John Cena especially after watching his performance with a grotesquely broken nose on RAW. I can see where some may not enjoy John as much as others because he is "overexposed" in their view but to verbally castrate him for any other reason is borderline stupidity.
 
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That depends on how you hate him, my reasons differ from alot of people. I respect the man behind the scenes but as character and WWE's booking of him is what I hate. Loved how he was treating the US title, but one again that WWe finds a way to mess that up too *sigh*

But as far as being a worker, Cena is one of the best. The man is a workhorse. Still don't like him though! The man can cure cancer but i'd still hate his character and booking int he WWE. You aint going to change that for sure!

Respect to him for working that broken nose
 
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That depends on how you hate him, my reasons differ from alot of people. I respect the man behind the scenes but as character and WWE's booking of him is what I hate. Loved how he was treating the US title, but one again that WWe finds a way to mess that up too *sigh*

But as far as being a worker, Cena is one of the best. The man is a workhorse. Still don't like him though! The man can cure cancer but i'd still hate his character and booking int he WWE. You aint going to change that for sure!

Respect to him for working that broken nose
I don't think those thoughts differ as much as you might think, I would be willing to bet it's probably closer to a majority than some would admit actually.

John realpersoncena is just another pair of feet trodding this giant ball of mud who sometimes does some really generous things. John thecharactcercena is stale as fossilized plant matter, and is a horridly misused tool by the owner of the company. That's where the line needs to be remembered, where the differentiation needs to be kept.
 
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We need a heel commentator who blatantly kisses Johns ass. Like Cole and the miz
 
#19 ·
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Evolution said:
I happen to like Cena. Sweeping generalised statements like this make you look like you have the discussion capabilities of an 11 year old however.
How's it feel to be 10 years away from getting trim again? :ann1
 
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I can understand those that like Cena, everyone has opinions but to then "verbally castrate" those who dislike Cena is ridiculous.

I for one grew up watching wrestling at its absolute peak, something it may never reach again. Cena came in at the tail end of that career and was instantly hated on, yes he was a heel but the hate he received seemed to be legitimate. When they paired him up with Lesnar, i twas like man v boy and things got even more heated, how was this eminem wannabe even on the same level? He wasn't. As Cena turned face, it became pretty obvious that the hate stayed and he was getting absolutely terrible reactions even around 2005-06, 2 years or so into his face run. That's the fastest turn around I have seen pre-Reigns.

It took a decade for people to grow stale over Hogan, people have yet to turn on Austin, they have almost always loved Rock beyond the whole Maivia gimmick...there is no face in the history of this company, possibly no superstar beyond Benoit, so genuinely hated. This isn't kayfabe heat or reserved by the internet nerds but a general feeling of "oh, not again". Heck, by the time Cena started using the whole "white rapper" gimmick, it was already a novelty which was worn out in the hip hop industry. Cena and the WWE have spend over a decade trying to catch up with popular culture, whereas previously, the took strides to create pop culture. That's the problem with Cena, the WWE, the state of the business and the huge drop in tv viewership since the Austin/Rock era.
 
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I can understand those that like Cena, everyone has opinions but to then "verbally castrate" those who dislike Cena is ridiculous.

I for one grew up watching wrestling at its absolute peak, something it may never reach again. Cena came in at the tail end of that career and was instantly hated on, yes he was a heel but the hate he received seemed to be legitimate. When they paired him up with Lesnar, i twas like man v boy and things got even more heated, how was this eminem wannabe even on the same level? He wasn't. As Cena turned face, it became pretty obvious that the hate stayed and he was getting absolutely terrible reactions even around 2005-06, 2 years or so into his face run. That's the fastest turn around I have seen pre-Reigns.

It took a decade for people to grow stale over Hogan, people have yet to turn on Austin, they have almost always loved Rock beyond the whole Maivia gimmick...there is no face in the history of this company, possibly no superstar beyond Benoit, so genuinely hated. This isn't kayfabe heat or reserved by the internet nerds but a general feeling of "oh, not again". Heck, by the time Cena started using the whole "white rapper" gimmick, it was already a novelty which was worn out in the hip hop industry. Cena and the WWE have spend over a decade trying to catch up with popular culture, whereas previously, the took strides to create pop culture. That's the problem with Cena, the WWE, the state of the business and the huge drop in tv viewership since the Austin/Rock era.
Thank you! You put it perfectly why so many of us stopped watching around that time. The only reason I started watching again this year was because I thought Cena and all of the stupid shit WWE was pulling would be gone by now.
 
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Do I "hate" Cena? No. Do I think he's been forced down our food pipes for far too long by the WWE against our will? Yes.

I like John as a person and believe he's a huge fan of the business and it's rich history, but as the top guy I think his time has been up for a while now and I think WWE is starting to see that as time goes by.
 
#23 ·
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The main reason i hate Cena (and there are many reasons), is the way he's presented as an amazing wrestler and the Greatest ever, when he's not. Michael Cole and JBL can give him as much lip service as they like, but at the end of the day, i have eyes, and what i see with my eyes is a limited wrestler fumbling his way through matches with much better opponents. His spot calling is atrocious, you would think after being in the business for so long, he'd learn to quieten it down, but nope.

JR going for that clickbait though.
 
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The main reason i hate Cena (and there are many reasons), is the way he's presented as an amazing wrestler and the Greatest ever, when he's not. Michael Cole and JBL can give him as much lip service as they like, but at the end of the day, i have eyes, and what i see with my eyes is a limited wrestler fumbling his way through matches with much better opponents. His spot calling is atrocious, you would think after being in the business for so long, he'd learn to quieten it down, but nope.

JR going for that clickbait though.
No offense but that 1st criticism of him is one of the worst one he consistently gets.

I mean most of us hate that commentary is pretty bad at putting folk over. So why do we chastise them for at least putting the top guy over.

" I mean if the put Cena over as a sloppy, joke of a wrestler, who will never be as good as past stars" what does that say about the rest of the roster?
 
#29 ·
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Doesn't surprise me, wants to keep Vince onside so he can get more access to wwe stars in the future.
Maybe it is his opinion 100% and good for him, but disagreeing doesn't make you stupid.
 
#30 ·
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This is what always annoys me about those people who say "You shouldn't hate John Cena!", they always seem to miss the boat on why people actually hate Cena, or at least in my case.

I respect John Cena, both as a person and what he's done for this company. I do truly believe he is one of the biggest stars to ever come into the business, and that he carries that 'big match feel' when he steps into the ring.

However, the hate stems from his inability to evolve his character over the past god knows how many years. He's been the same baby faced character for almost a decade now. Everybody is just so tired of him cutting the same promo every week with his whole "Hey, I know you don't like me, but I love the WWE Universe" attitude.

If over the course of the past decade he'd gone heel here and there, change things up a bit, then you'd be able to appreciate his runs as a good guy. Hogan did it. Austin and Rock switched between face and heel numerous times.
 
#31 ·
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Cena is a tool and if the WWE had an ounce of sense in them they would turn him heel. Not just because I say so, but because Cena would as the top heel put others in a position to be a top face. A really good heel can set the fans up to get behind a face like Reigns, Ryback, or whomever.
 
#32 ·
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Ross taking shit too literal. I never thought that people hated the person. I always felt they were tired of wwe's lazy fucking dependence in one individual to hold them up when there's so much more talent than that. Ross has Cena's cum stuck in his mouth.
 
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