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The over criticism of Paige is pathetic

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#1 · (Edited)
Since Paige has become the most popular diva the over criticism of Paige has hit an all time high. Every thing she does is criticized and crapped on similar to when AJ had that spot. If she has a very good match the critics are no where to be found or an excuse is made. So whats the deal? Lets take a look at Paiges year on the main roster and her previous years in NXT.
When Paige was signed to FCW she became an instanthit. Fans were drawn to her from day one. As she had time to hone her craft she became the MOST popular diva in NXT. After her popularity reached an all time high (before the show was even placed on the network) the company decided it would be good business to have her debut and win the championship on her first day. To thunderous applause (biggest diva pop since the Lita days) we had a new divas champion. Next AJ left and Paige was forced a smiling babyface role which she wanted no part of. Insert criticism commencing. After having pointless 1 on 1 matches with diva after diva with no buildup it was clear Paige needed a character change and someone established to help make her new character develop. Insert AJ and commence Paige heel turn. During this time Paige slowly started to build a character that was more sexualized and heelish. Her reactions started to get better and it was clear her star status was rising. Once the feud ended Paige was placed on the back seat so Nikki could start her reign for the title and defeat AJ in the process. During this time the fans started clamoring for Paige again with "we want Paige chants" during different segments. After a month off raw Paige was redebuted so to speak as a face during the Christmas special. During this divas cluster%%%% of a match it was clear that Paige was somebody majority of the casuals wanted. The cheers for Paige were lively and miles ahead of anyone in that match.
The charisma that Paige has garnered is something that will do more good for her in the long run than bad. Its fairly safe to say that NO diva right now is more polarizing. You either LOVE Paige or you HATE her but you are always talking about her.
Today she is the diva on the main roster getting the most cheers and pops consistently on shows.
Now lets look at the over criticism of Paige the past few months. Lets start with the lap dance video. When that video was leaked it was clear that Paige was put in that position and had no control over it but it didn't stop the usual suspects from crapping all over her and going as far as saying she would be fired from it. Next Paige makes her return to raw to a big pop and a week later we get everybody complaining that shes getting too much spotlight. Now insert her having a couple of matches on her return which I will admit were not her best, but still it was clear that she was rusty from a month off filming and her opponents especially Tamina were not perfect in anyway but still the blame was pushed on Paige. Since the triple threat Paige has had very good matches with Fox, Nikki Layla and Brie. In fact she hasn't had a bad match since the ppv and yet people are still clamoring to the triple threat to critique Paige but ignoring everything after it. Now tough enough Paige is being crapped on for doing her job and being a critic on a show where it is her job to critique. Ironically the show is supposed to be about the competitors and all I see is people talking about Paiges judging.
Is the over criticism and hatred due to some just really hating Paige or is it because Paige marks are so high on her that it brings out even more hate? If the second reason is the case then maybe Paige marks including myself should tone it down a bit but I think a happy medium should be made. Nobody has to call Paige the messiah of the divas division but at the same time nobody should be calling her the apocalypse of it either.
 
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#5 ·
Cliff notes. Every time Paige has a good match or promo its ignored by the usual critics. If she has a bad day its harped on for days. Paige has become the new AJ Lee of the forum.
 
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#11 · (Edited)
Believer, if you've seen me post then you'll know that I make Paul Heyman sound like Joey Mercury but the OP's post was a wall of text and walls of text are unforgiveable. Here, I'll break up and format his post to show what a little bit of consideration for the reader can do:

Since Paige has become the most popular diva the over criticism of Paige has hit an all time high. Every thing she does is criticized and crapped on similar to when AJ had that spot. If she has a very good match the critics are no where to be found or an excuse is made. So whats the deal? Lets take a look at Paiges year on the main roster and her previous years in NXT.

When Paige was signed to FCW she became an instanthit. Fans were drawn to her from day one. As she had time to hone her craft she became the MOST popular diva in NXT. After her popularity reached an all time high (before the show was even placed on the network) the company decided it would be good business to have her debut and win the championship on her first day. To thunderous applause (biggest diva pop since the Lita days) we had a new divas champion. Next AJ left and Paige was forced a smiling babyface role which she wanted no part of.

Insert criticism commencing.

After having pointless 1 on 1 matches with diva after diva with no buildup it was clear Paige needed a character change and someone established to help make her new character develop. Insert AJ and commence Paige heel turn. During this time Paige slowly started to build a character that was more sexualized and heelish. Her reactions started to get better and it was clear her star status was rising. Once the feud ended Paige was placed on the back seat so Nikki could start her reign for the title and defeat AJ in the process. During this time the fans started clamoring for Paige again with "we want Paige chants" during different segments.

After a month off raw Paige was redebuted so to speak as a face during the Christmas special. During this divas cluster%%%% of a match it was clear that Paige was somebody majority of the casuals wanted. The cheers for Paige were lively and miles ahead of anyone in that match. The charisma that Paige has garnered is something that will do more good for her in the long run than bad. Its fairly safe to say that NO diva right now is more polarizing. You either LOVE Paige or you HATE her but you are always talking about her. Today she is the diva on the main roster getting the most cheers and pops consistently on shows.

Now lets look at the over criticism of Paige the past few months:

-Lets start with the lap dance video. When that video was leaked it was clear that Paige was put in that position and had no control over it but it didn't stop the usual suspects from crapping all over her and going as far as saying she would be fired from it.

-Next Paige makes her return to raw to a big pop and a week later we get everybody complaining that shes getting too much spotlight.

-Now insert her having a couple of matches on her return which I will admit were not her best, but still it was clear that she was rusty from a month off filming and her opponents especially Tamina were not perfect in anyway but still the blame was pushed on Paige. Since the triple threat Paige has had very good matches with Fox, Nikki Layla and Brie. In fact she hasn't had a bad match since the ppv and yet people are still clamoring to the triple threat to critique Paige but ignoring everything after it.

-Now tough enough Paige is being crapped on for doing her job and being a critic on a show where it is her job to critique. Ironically the show is supposed to be about the competitors and all I see is people talking about Paiges judging.

Is the over criticism and hatred due to some just really hating Paige or is it because Paige marks are so high on her that it brings out even more hate? If the second reason is the case then maybe Paige marks including myself should tone it down a bit but I think a happy medium should be made. Nobody has to call Paige the messiah of the divas division but at the same time nobody should be calling her the apocalypse of it either.
It's still a big read but you cannot blame anyone for seeing a giant block of text with no formatting whatsoever and thinking "to hell with that".
 
#4 ·
It has nothing to do with her being "popular." She's been shit since her debut. The girl can't even make half of her offense look good. She may have fit in for a bit feuding with equally untalented April Brooks, but pitting her against the cream of the crop in The Bella Twins has really exposed her many weaknesses to the world.
 
#15 ·
Idek if this is a valid excuse anymore. Not saying the Divas don't deserve better, because they do. But after years of working in this condition they need to find away to turn their chicken shit into chicken salad. A few of them need to just figure out how to maximize their time in 2-8 minutes with little build. Its not optimal but they need to do better with what scraps they get.
 
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Is the over criticism and hatred due to some just really hating Paige or is it because Paige marks are so high on her that it brings out even more hate? If the second reason is the case then maybe Paige marks including myself should tone it down.
Bingo! There's your answer. You try to force down everyone's throats that Paige is the greatest thing to happen to the Divas division when she's painfully average. The only reason she stands out is because she's pale and British, and people are attracted to her alternative look. She's not terrible, but she's not great either. I don't care how long she's wrestled, it doesn't show because she autopilots through her very basic moveset. The irony of it all is some Paige marks want to say the Bellas have no ring psychology when Paige shows the least amount out of everyone. Headbutts>Knee Strikes>Elbow Strikes> Submission>Repeat. That's a quick summary of every Paige match ever. She doesn't target a body part, she doesn't tell a story, she just does her moves in sequential order. If you didn't run around saying she's the greatest wrestler, then she wouldn't be criticized so much.
 
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Bingo! There's your answer. You try to force down everyone's throats that Paige is the greatest thing to happen to the Divas division when she's painfully average. The only reason she stands out is because she's pale and British, and people are attracted to her alternative look. She's not terrible, but she's not great either. I don't care how long she's wrestled, it doesn't show because she autopilots through her very basic moveset. The irony of it all is some Paige marks want to say the Bellas have no ring psychology when Paige shows the least amount out of everyone. Headbutts>Knee Strikes>Elbow Strikes> Submission>Repeat. That's a quick summary of every Paige match ever. She doesn't target a body part, she doesn't tell a story, she just does her moves in sequential order. If you didn't run around saying she's the greatest wrestler, then she wouldn't be criticized so much.
I was gonna make a post, but this is so spot on:clap
Did you drop your keyboard, turned around and walked away after this?
 
#10 ·
I think the over criticism of most is over blown. But with Paige I think its due to hype backlash. Which is no fault of her own.

Her fans when she was in NXT did a great job of promoting her as this anti-diva who not only could, but would bring something new and enjoyable to the Divas division and for most she just hasn't lived up to the hype.

And what makes it worse for her is its not like she hasn't been pushed. She's been in the top of the Diva's division since she debuted so its not like shes being misused she just hasn't been delivering for some.

I mean imo she hasn't had a good feud and only has a handful of good matches. I mean whether she's facing AJ, Nikki, Natalya, Tamina, Naomi, Alicia Foxx (despite the good match this week) she more often than not delivers a dud.

When you have a talent many don't find entertaining and combine them with a seemingly onstant push its easy for them to get overly critiqued look at Cena or 2000s HHH.
 
#19 ·
It happens to them all, look at the shit Nikki and Brie get, they're not even half as bad as what people make out and both of them have come on loads, specially Nikki who has actually been good in her role and made the best of what she's given, a diva gets popular such as when AJ did and the hate started coming out of the woodwork, it happens.

The problem also is Paige is put on too much of a pedestal by people and it pisses other people off and turns them against her, I feel the same is happening with Eva Marie already as her expectations when she come's now people are going to be ready to shit on her, even if she impresses, simply because it's kind of forced down them to 'like her, she's improved' kinda thing ... it turns people against them and I can understand that.

That said, it doesn't matter, it's just an opinion and it's not fact, usually when people are slagging off a talent, or anyone really, it's more a reflection of them than it is the person it's aimed towards, it's what comes from inside of them more times than not, you can tell the difference usually when someone has this, as opposed to just expressing a genuine opinion of them not really feeling their work etc... which of course, is absolutely fine.

Don't take it to heart, at the end of the day Paige has got her career and you're enjoying her, that's all that matters, what does it matter to you or Paige that others are sitting there not enjoying what she's doing when you and others are?

Concentrate on the positive and use negative energy for fuel, that's what it is.
 
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#22 ·
You and most of her other fans over-hype her as fuck --- and then get backlash for it .. and then get butthurt over it ... And post shit like "haters gon' gate" blah blah blah. Rinse repeat.

Paige is average as fuck and when people say "she's the greatest of all time", "she will be the greatest of all time" ... of course there's going to be disagreement. Deal with it.
 
#28 ·
I agree with most that is being said here, with the small addendum that I do feel like the whole theory of "if you didn't put her on a pedestal.." is SLIGHTLY optimistic. I remember when Paige debuted, and the hype was pretty damn overwhelming. Regent in his early days was downright obsessed, and he toned it down a LOT due to the predictable backlash. Islesfan too, becoming much more of a "reactive" poster in the process. Yet I feel like the hate only grew in the grand scheme of things. To some, even saying you liked a match and her part in it makes you a "biased paige mark".

In short, saying the hate will simmer down if the adolation does, as far as hypotheses go, seems like it's a bit of a long shot. Maybe if the WWE stopped pushing her as well, I feel like then maybe it'd errode for a spell. But seeing as how I don't want that to happen, I guess I'm just going to have to deal with it :bearo
 
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In short, saying the hate will simmer down if the adolation does, as far as hypotheses go, seems like it's a bit of a long shot. Maybe if the WWE stopped pushing her as well, I feel like then maybe it'd errode for a spell. But seeing as how I don't want that to happen, I guess I'm just going to have to deal with it :bearo
I agree with this to an extent, but there are a lot of people (like me) who do change their minds over time. There's a number of wrestlers I disliked and then eventually grew to like them. It's actually the nature of the business but the WWE is moving away from that. WWE's entire business model used to be based on whether fans like a wrestler or they don't --- but they've changed that and have tried to force too much. Paige is just another victim of their desire to be inflexible when it comes to one of their characters.

Hate tends to me more irrational than even love so I agree that Paige will probably not be universally liked on here until and unless there's some really drastic change.

For the most part, I've noticed that within the WWE universe it usually takes one match or one segment to make or break a person for the length of time between another make or break segment - so all is not lost. That said, for a lot of hardcores on this site, Paige probably won't "recover". I admit, I'm one of those people who was partially reactionary to the "she's the greatest of all time" accolades she received undeservedly, but I gave her plenty of chances and will still give her a chance .. She just needs one big segment to make me change my opinion about her, but it hasn't happened yet.

I changed my mind about Reigns after his match against Lesnar (but I haven't watched him since anyways) .. However, I did change my mind. I might about Paige too (as I did about Nikki) as long as she does something noteable ... which imo she hasn't done yet. She's young so she has plenty of time.

All I mind is the restlessness of a few Paige fans here (there aren't that many anymore --- but islesfan is definitely one of those) to pretend they want to understand why people dislike her when all they're really trying to do imo is to prove to themselves that all hate for Paige is irrational and no criticism is valid ... because after all "haters gon hate" is much easier to live with than to accept valid criticism.
 
#30 ·
While I do agree with your points at the same time I think given the hate she's been getting it would just be better for Paige marks to maybe just take a back seat and continue to enjoy her even if others can't. As a huge Paige fan when I see irrational hate I often want to respond but then I realize it's never gonnna change their mind and also when you don't like something for whatever reason it sucks to have someone lecture you on why you should like it.
It especially sucks when you actually like multiple divas because it tends to be a 1 vs other, for instance while I am a bigger Paige fan I do also really like Nikki so it sucks when I see people feel it is necessary to drag one down to make the other look better and vice versa.
As cheesy as it is, can't we all simply like who were gonna like, you can like others less even dislike but not feel the need to spew irrational hate and be plain old mean.
 
#49 ·
I missed this post but I completely agree. People keep saying it's Paige marks calling her the best of all time that's causing the hate. I haven't seen that in months. What I have been seeing is the same people crapping on everything she does. It's like that it bothers some people that Paige is this popular. Shouldn't we be happy that a diva minus the bellas finally is over.
 
#36 ·
It's starting to get pretty outrageous tbf.
 
#40 ·
In regards to Sasha, well yeah, she's not a favourite of mine (I don't dislike her either) but she does have an overall appeal and a full package there, it seems like she's found her character in NXT, found her feet and is running with it, she's going to be very marketable when she comes to main roster, if she isn't already.

But it's like how people have started to shit on AJ now too, and I noticed this before she left the company, simply cause her last run wasn't as great or didn't seem as though it had the full effort, it doesn't take away what she was, what she did and doesn't reflect on her ... only on the time, but I think her popularity got so big too that when people saw a flaw or a reason to knock AJ, they did and they used that and they're still doing it to this day, which is a shame because she did more good than anything, even if she's not a personal favourite, I can see completely what she did and why people liked her.

It would be nice to see a talent come to the roster though and not get shit on eventually, or have wars between fans, Sasha could no doubt face the same if after a while people feel the hype has worn off or whatever, but what you see now is what she is ... and that's what should be the true reflection of her, she is good.

It doesn't matter if we like and see different things in different talents, as I say, I like Dean and there may be a lot of things I see in Dean that others don't, doesn't mean it's not there, it just means that I see these things where as people may see things in some other talent that I don't, doesn't mean it's not there, just means it doesn't appeal to my tastes kinda thing and that's what I think it is really.

When Paige fans (for example) push it too much that she's the greatest of all time and she's this and she's that and others don't see it or maybe simply don't agree, it's going to make them resent Paige more on a whole, they're going to see that as a knock on their talents too because it's like 'No so and so is much better' (in their eyes) ... and it's not wrong either cause to them, they are, and to others not so much, obviously you will get talents where the majority of people just see what's so great about them (take Kevin Owens for example) because it's less transparent maybe and so obvious to the eye how great he is, and it stands out ... but even with Kevin Owens on here I've seen people shitting on him and starting threads for that and it's like ... really, he's only been around two minutes and already people are trying to shoot his genuine hype down ... which is actually, very very valid.

But even if I don't see it personally in a talent, I ain't gonna knock another person's view cause they might see something I don't .... and they probably do, plus sometimes it's not quite as apparent in some talents as it is others, for example I feel Curtis Axel is very good, specially in the ring and he's not actually that bad on the mic either today, but it's not quite as apparent with Axel and I can see where some people don't see it stand out as much but others may see things in certain talents that I don't also, and that's what it is.

Works both ways for me ... but yeah, Sasha is definitely a complete package ... fan or no fan, it's pretty clear with her ... she's such an outgoing character too so it shines.

Interesting thread anyway :)
 
#41 ·
TL;DR but I agree- Paige needs to stop being shat on. She's the best current diva in main WWE. When Charlotte debuts that is my girl though
 
#42 ·
It seems Paige's charisma is the best thing for her but also the worst thing for her at the same time. Popularity brings out extreme hate. The Aj/Cena affect. I think Austin is the only star to escape this.
 
#47 ·
I'm kinda OK about her criticism because some of them are may true. but the way people exaggerated her critics are bit too much. and some of them even just a make up story or trying to make it big which it's annoy me so much.
 
#50 ·
i like paige and so do most people theyre just not keyboard warriors. shes a star and shell stay that way #itsmyhousenow
 
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#57 · (Edited)
And your point is?

Cena still makes his millions and the most popular wrestler.

This week haters will be at their keyboard.

Vince still makes millions and his business is the most popular

This week haters will be at their keyboard.

Reigns still gets paid

This week haters will be at their keyboard.

John ,Reigns and Vince wins let's stop talking about them.


You see how easy is that.

If we go by your logic this forum should cease to exist and stop creating threads about Paige because Paige will walk out into an arena to thousands of cheers.
 
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