Is that the consensus now? Because most wrestlers male and female in nxt are affiliated with the Indy scene in some form. They are by default better than a WWE homegrown talent like Dolph ziggler or Alicia fox?
I'm not understanding the thought process. I know of some horrible Indy wrestlers and promotions
Everybody keeps saying call up nxt wrestlers to the MR as if they're saviors to WWE'S horrible booking. Especially the divas division.
What makes Indy guys and gals so special? Other than wrestling in the indies?
An Indy wrestler who has made it to WWE is not necessarily better than homegrown talent but they are definitely at an advantage as they are more experienced and gave wrestled different styles so really its no surprise that since 2011 Indy guys have been the workhorses and stars of the show and will continue to be. They are a throwback to guys like Jericho, Guerrero and Benoit who travelled the world honing their craft before finally getting the call from WWE.
Being on the indys doesn't really mean much considering most of the indy guys lack a larger than life personality, which is required to succeed in the WWE. A lot of them are just good workers.
Probably cause WWE has a history of it's top guys travelling the world and/or succeeding in other territories before they come to WWE. It wasn't really till recently with the introduction of things like Memphis in the 90's and OVW in the 00's when WWE homegrown talent was a bigger deal. Notable guys like Mark Henry, the Rock, John Cena, Brock Lesnar, Randy Orton, Batista, Kurt Angle are all homegrown guys that went on to have successful careers in the business.
No, a wrestler is either good or not regardless of where they came from, it's usually after they've been in the WWE a while when I find out they were from the indies or not, so my judgement on a talent has nothing to do with where they came from, I either like them or I don't and if they happen to come from the indies then so be it.
Indie talents often have bad habits to break, some talents that aren't from the indies can pick up wrestling really well naturally, sometimes better than some indie talents, such as Kurt Angle who turned out to be such a natural.
Whether they're from the indies or not makes no difference to me, I either like them or I don't, if they've grafted the indie scene then I respect them massively but if a talent hasn't it doesn't mean I respect them any less either, they all work incredibly hard and all put their bodies on the line for our entertainment.
I don't think it really affects my enjoyment either, but I fail to see what's so hard to understand about people's curiosity. Like I've always wondered what it would've been like for Sting and Great Muta to be in WWF back in the 90's. That's pretty much how people view indy people, it's more of a curiousity factor and seeing what they can do in the WWE.
I gotta be honest, the anti-indy thing that some posters have on here is played out and annoying as fuck. I don't even watch the indies, but I prefer indy guys because they're usually more talented than their non-indy counterparts. Not always the case, and guys like Breeze and Amore prove that, but for the most part, the indy guys are simply more well-rounded wrestlers.
Its all about experience. A guy that has been wrestling for like 10-15 years on the indies is generally going to be better than somebody who is like 2 years deep into a WWE exclusive wrestling career. Whether this is a troll thread or not, it still amazes me that there are people so dumb they need this shit explained to them. It's literally 2+2.
I gotta be honest, the anti-indy thing that some posters have on here is played out and annoying as fuck. I don't even watch the indies, but I prefer indy guys because they're usually more talented than their non-indy counterparts. Not always the case, and guys like Breeze and Amore prove that, but for the most part, the indy guys are simply more well-rounded wrestlers.
Was going to touch on that as well. It's usually just da supa edgy trollZzZ trying to get under peoples skins, I swear like half of the WWE section at this point is just anti smark/indy gimmick accounts :lol
The reason that most indy guys are better is because they've wrestled for years and payed their dues. It does, usually, make them better than WWE's homegrown talent. That's not a knock at guys like Roman and Batista, it's just that they don't have the experience nor the fanbase following them to the WWE to help them get over.
Those who are from the indies undoubtedly have more experience and therefore are more refined (try and figure out why the fuck they're clogging up the developmental show, though), but I think the fact they're less restrained in the ring and on the mic and that they're not so much bent on selling a product as they are an entertaining and improving themselves as compared to the main roster, gives them the appearance of being 'better'.
The indie guys have certainly helped shape the current NXT landscape, and helped create awareness for the brand definitely. It does hurt and take away from the home grown talent, however. Why even have tout the performance center as the second coming of christ if you're gonna sign all this well-worn and well known talent who can practically circumvent it? I know there's more to the PC than that, but still.
The people who are suddenly coming out of the woodworks that hate indy wrestlers for some reason, just stop, stop watching wrestling immediately. The independent circuit is where wrestlers get their experience! Pretty much all wrestlers come from there!
This is why i hate the IWC, they boo Reigns because he is not experienced enough, NXT has indy wrestlers with a shitload of experience and suddenly they hate them as well cause they from the indy's? Oh please fuck off already. Ill bet in half a year everyone here loves Reigns again and hates Rollins.
The people who are suddenly coming out of the woodworks that hate indy wrestlers for some reason, just stop, stop watching wrestling immediately. The independent circuit is where wrestlers get their experience! Pretty much all wrestlers come from there!
This is why i hate the IWC, they boo Reigns because he is not experienced enough, NXT has wrestlers with a shitload of experience and suddenly they them as well cause they from the indy's? Oh please fuck off already. Ill bet in half a year everyone here loves Reigns again and hates Rollins.
I think the most laughable thing about this whole situation is that these guys are so anti-indy yet they have avatars of guys who worked in indies before hitting it on a televised company ranging from Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Steve Austin, Mick Foley, and Triple H. They jerk off so hard to the idea of being anti-indy when there own favorites wouldn't have gotten a break in the business without independent wrestling.
Someone wasn't around in the territory era... which is basically what indy promotions are now becoming. They learn the craft by travelling around to each promotion and learning new tricks and such.
WWE only guys only learn the WWE way... and that way is just flat out bad right now. Luckily, the "developmental" is now trying to integrate actual good wrestling into the program and slowly phasing out just having a pure WWE style.
Well said, sir. I didn't think that this would be an issue.Wrestlers with more breadth of experience generally are better practitioners of the craft of pro wrestling. To some here, INDY is the worst 4 letter word you could think of.
This should be pretty obvious. If you consider the E the majors/pros then anyone coming from the minor leagues is obviously ahead of the curve than anyone who just picked up the sport. Of course this is not an absolute but it's obvious guys are better with experience.
They are better because they have to be. It is a fight to make a impact and either succeed or be cut. Every match is a tryout.
Also, a very key factor, is the NXT people are given much more freedom to make a character that fits their personality, not just a gimmick WWE wants someone to play.
Though, this also means even more on the wrestler to make the right choice, as a bad gimmick will sink you fast.
*Though, not sure who to blame on the Becky Lynch river dance debut cluster. Though, at least they seem to be using it to push her attitude change.
Lastly, as mentioned, these people were picked because they had personality and talent beforehand, and were recruited because of it. (or big muscles in Dana's case)
Exactly, these guys are on PPA contracts. They can get cut at any time if they aren't performing. You have to bring it every night or you lose your spot by the next show. In WWE, they can have you tied down for like three years so they have an obligation to push as a business investment because if they don't make money from you, you're a failed investment who they are stuck pushing money into for no gain. If a guy isn't profitable or performing in the indies, they just don't get rehired.
Usually the best talents are from the indies because they're more experienced and all, but that doesn't mean that WWE can't make their own talent, see Enzo Amore.
Anyway, I'm expecting the same old anti-indies crap because you guys clearly are very close minded :maury
Austin and Hogan worked outside of wwe before main eventing in wwe.
A lot of people do
I mean trent barretta, kenny omega, gallows, ciampa, and brian cage spent a lot of time in developmental and used those skills working the indies and developing into better workers.
The thing is you could have a guy who just is an asshole and burns his bridge. In a low ki and davey richards.
Then you can have guys like seth rollins, ambrose, and owens who know to play ball.
Then you have wwe guys like Ziggler, Orton, and Reigns. Guys who fully developed in wwe.
Hell Daniel Bryan was trained by hbk and regal. He learned to work wwe's style first. That's why his selling and psychology are awesome.
Training and seasoning are different though. Nxt touring is benefitting the nxt talent because they are learning how to work different crowds.
The independent workers have more experience doing that.
But Ambrose says he loves watching orton work because of how fluid he is.
So
You don't know who catches fire and who burns out. Like who would have thought titus' barking is over
I Think the Best could come from both the Homegrown and The Indies. However International TV is a different beast then the indys. You need great characters. Characters are what is needed to draw. Hogan,Austin,Rock,Dusty,Flair,HHH are great characters.
of course that isn't the consensus. The consensus is "I've seen this guy be great on the indies for years, WWE hiring him is good."
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