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Something the WWE should do more of?

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#1 ·
Just re-watched the Tag Title Match from ER, and it brought up this thought, and I think it may be interesting to discuss....

With the tag team title feud the WWE did something that I think they should be doing more of, crowds were cheering Kidd/Cesaro and booing New Day, so the WWE went with it and did a double turn instead of trying everything to "force" the reactions the WWE wanted/planned for.

Now I understand that the WWE can't just be flipping guys heel/face constantly or anything, but I do think the WWE does WAY more trying to "control" the audience reactions rather than reacting and adapting to them (in a timely manor) and the overall product suffers for it.

Just look at the tag title match at ER tonight as the example, the WWE went with fan reactions and we got an awesome tag title match that the live crowd was actually involved in.
 
#2 ·
:wow Never seen ACP make a thread. That's how you know it's real.

On topic, I totally agree. I just watched it myself and I was entertained throughout. I went in with ZERO expectations, thinking New Day would fail again and this match was nothing but filler for their unnecessarily elongated heel turn. Hopefully they show up on Monday as the militant ******* they should have been from the start.
 
#3 ·
I thought the match was alright, but I do agree with your overall idea. Double turns aren't always a necessity, but when it's clear the fans feel a certain way, it's natural that contouring to their feelings would make sense and be beneficial. Let's the talents shake things up a bit, makes the matches more interesting, and open the doors to new opportunities.

And double turns almost always make things memorable and are beneficial in the end. Last one was Del Rio and Ziggler and people still talk about that match nowadays. While I wasn't huge on this tag match, the double turning did work in their favor and made it more interesting.
 
#4 ·
They should but if WWE were to do that more often, they'd be admitting that they're wrong sometimes.


And God knows the almighty WWE can never be wrong :vince
 
#5 ·
Been saying it for a while: go with the crowd and use their energy to string them along. NXT does it perfectly. They don't try to go "BOO THIS MAN" or "CHEER THIS MAN!", at least blatantly... they take the measure of the crowd and then book around their reactions to get them really sucked in and wanting more.

This tag match was that style of booking, something I didn't see right off the bat til you said it. Any surprise that most agree it was the match of the night and so many are looking forward to more..... from the TAG DIVISION......... that was thought to be dead. One simple thing and suddenly a dead division is vibrant for at least one night. It must kill Vince when moments like this happen and us evil smarks from the ISEC are proven right.
 
#7 ·
Curious to see how Cesaro and Kidd are going to operate now and if they'll be fully faces or not. I hope they do what they did with Swagger where they don't pussify them, but instead accent their positives and diminish their negative actions. I could see the "fact" gimmick working for faces if used properly.
 
#10 ·
I agree OP. last 2 years i feel like they've been trying way to hard to control the how the fans should feel and react to the product (has prob gone on longer but thats as far as i've really noticed it).

I understand that its very hard to predict, and the fans are very fickle, but they need to bend a little more to the fans will, and im not saying they should only listen to the fans, because then it would be a hurricane to control and steer, but a little more wouldnt hurt.
 
#11 ·
It's a damn shame WWE never capitalizes on heels that have been as such for a long time and then turn, making them instantly over.

Like...y'know...my boy Swagger. :cry

Could have done some great things, the fact he was heel so long and they found the perfect situation to turn him face made it pretty damn special. And the thing is, this wasn't a popular guy. But yet he didn't need to be shoved down our throats or win every match to get over. He had a solid gimmick, it was a bit of a surprise, solid feud to start off his turn, and despite his issues on the mic he has a way of remaining relevant and coming off as very human and underdogish to fans.

Not ever face turn needs to be like that, but if WWE learned that there's more than one formula to get someone over, and when this person does actually get over in there own way and to actually push them appropriately, it would help the roster out immensely.
 
#12 ·
I still can't believe those motherfuckers have tried to guilt trip fans who don't cheer for Cena. That has to be the prime example of what we're talking about here.

First they ignore the boos on commentary, then they bury Cena because "he can't wrestle" and once that shit didn't work they decided to just blame the fans! All over the course of a decade, just deflecting responsibility for their own fuck up! What in the fuck is up with that shit?
 
#14 ·
I agree with you @A-C-P.

I don't think the WWE should bend to the will of fans 100% of the time, but there is something to be said for being more accommodating. It should be give and take on both sides.

There used to be a time when Vince used the audience's reaction to his benefit. The Mr. McMahon character was born because the heat was so great, Rocky Maivia got turned into The Rock, Bret Hart turned heel and a rattlesnake got to open up a can of whoop ass. Vince seems to have become more stubborn over the years, but it's always welcoming when he can just go with the flow. Not every fan wants to hijack each and every show. Most of us just want a better show utilizing all the talents to the best of their abilities.
 
#18 ·
I think Vince does resent some fans for their hijackings, but it's not every fan that just wants to go to the shows and disrupt it. It also doesn't help that there's no competition that can compete with the WWE on a global scale, etc. If there were, he'd be more receptive to fan feedback.

I'm just glad that Vince wasn't stubborn enough to give Roman the belt. I like Roman, but still. At least he blinked at Mania and seems to be slowing down the push. So, all hope isn't lost.
 
#16 ·
Listen to the fans and stop taking the drugs that make them book the way that they do.
 
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The problem with this idea is that you can only follow it so much. Different cities have different reactions, some guys are over in certain places and not in others, you get different crowd reactions on TV/PPV than you do house shows, etc.

It worked with New Day because they didn't immediately turn them heel just because the crowd wasn't into them as babyfaces. It can't just be a kneejerk reaction.
 
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Like yeah, the sky is blue and beautiful, Vince does what he wants regardless of fans desire sometimes, and has always done. What else is knew? Move along :shrug
 
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#29 ·
That's because WWE is claiming the whole idea was them to get over as heels, when in fact they were supposed to be faces. WWE was so convinced New Day would get over as faces that they put them on TV, and, after months of the crowd not caring, when they failed and people booed them, WWE went along with it to save face. Now everyone is patting WWE on the back. I'll give them some credit for making the correct choice in the end, but will shame them for being so out of touch to think New Day would actually succeed as fan favorites.
 
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#26 ·
Of course it's the solution, listening to the fans have always been the solution. That's why the WWE product has been in the do do for a while cause they stopped doing that cause they didn't have to cause there were the only game in town.

I can even trace it back to 2001 when during the crappy Invasion, someone came out of nowhere like RVD and became popular on his own and he was over as Hell and people wanted RVD vs Austin and they never did it. This was the first time Vince chose to not listen to the fans and it was clearly a stubborn act. And it's been a common theme ever since.
 
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#28 ·
Uh let's see:


1. Get people who have a clue to write the show

2. Listen to the audience and what they want (aka the people paying your fucking salary and keeping you in business)

3. Stop exploiting vulnerable people to push your product

4. Hire some bookers that weren't dropped on their heads as babies

5. For the love of god, hire a competent announce team

6. Stop trying to get people over who don't need to get over (aka having Stephanie McMahon get a rub from shitting all over your main heel group)




This would be a good start.
 
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#30 ·
I agree, they stole the show and that was very surprising. Last thing I expected was them to have the MOTN because I skipped the pre show and had no idea they switched the Barrett and Neville match. It's been great seeing the New Day slowly turn into heels. I said it a while ago but Cesaro and Kidd was a team the fans wanna get behind and it was nice seeing how they went with the fan reactions and executed a dbl turn.
 
#32 ·
I agree with everything OP said.

Even with the Reigns-Show match, the crowd did not shit all over it. Whether it was the timed big spots or Big Show's heel antics, they handled that match well. I'd argue that was the second best match of the night. WWE is slowly learning how to deal with the smark crowds.
 
#34 ·
yup. Im not going to say they should listen to the fans in every aspect, because hey look at this board lol, but when it's plainly obvious that something should be done, heel turn whatever, it's very frustrating when they just bury their heads in the sand an put on the same old shit, which of course they continue to do.

But with their resources and how many people they have writing the show, id figure its one big mess most of the time. So its refreshing when they actually get something spot on and give the fans not only what they want, but what it so obviously right and staring them in the face.

Oh, ACP making threads now? :mark:
 
#36 ·
I feel like the "double turn" is something they'll only do with midcarders, because in the grand scheme of things they don't give a shit about the midcarders anyways. They would have done it with Cena a long time ago if they were serious about this kind of thing. Or they'd of done it with Roman Reigns this past Mania season.
 
#37 · (Edited)
Entertainment? Wrestling? Appealing to a world audience?

The matter of "listening to fans" never used to be a question or a debate. It was self-evident and was in-built into wrestling tradition. You listen to the audience over periods of time, and pick and choose your booking around audience reaction. You let things follow their natural flow.

And guess what, you are providing a show that 1. Your audience is guaranteed to enjoy and 2. They are guaranteed to come back again, because they trust that in the end they will get a pay off.

By being stubborn, WWE have totally re-written the concept of wrestling in the last 3 years alone. What is now self-evident is that their new idea's completely suck, and even the most die-hard WWE apologists have a tough time sitting through the product, let alone pretending to enjoy it.

Get used to your new WWE, safe, boring and predictable. It you are some sort of optimist that expects this to get better, just quote me in a years time. This shit is set in motion now, it doesn't get any better.
 
#40 ·
I really got into the match last night, I'm so glad that New Day are now heel. I'm glad WWE are listening to the fans reactions and it really is something they should do more often, if possible. Letting the fans decide who is face and heel now and then just makes things feel more natural. Obviously they can't do this for every superstar but doing it whenever they can would be nice. Good thread ACP! (Y)
 
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