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#CancelWWENetwork a massive success. Vince blinked.

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#1 ·
No two ways of putting it. We won.

First, to preface.. there seems to be a misunderstanding. Nobody really wanted to see the WWE Network fail. What they wanted to see was people using the power of the subscription(and cancelling thereof) to force Vince off the path he was on.

We were told it was impossible. We were told that Reigns winning was inevitable. The fans would never get what they want. #CancelWWENetwork would fail and Roman would Reign over WrestleMania.

Well, when the two sides finished their 2 month long staredown, Vince McMahon Fucking Blinked. He gave us what we wanted, which was Seth Rollins as your new WWE Champion. We Won. Reigns lost. And god damn does it feel good. I'm jazzed for RAW tonight, and heck.. I might even give Roman a second chance.

But make no mistake.. #CancelWWENetwork WORKED. Now, there will be a lot of talk of ultimately adding subscribers and what not, so at least Vince gets a consolation prize. But we were right, we held firm, and we won and got everything we wanted, which didn't really include the WWE failing. Great job.
 
#6 · (Edited)
#CancelWWENetwork occured when Roman Reigns won the Royal Rumble. It won when Roman Reigns did not win the WrestleMania ME.

The subscriber base is largely irrelevant to that. Vince wanted Roman to win and was going to do whatever it took to do it. And he literally did EVERYTHING. Ultimately he blinked, surrendered, and gave us what we wanted in Seth Rollins as Champ. There is no other way to look at it.

Only a tool thinks the movement was truly about the actual subscriber numbers, since by and large we are fans. We wanted change from the path they were on, and we got it.
 
#42 ·
People think Seth cashing in was the plan all along :drake1. I imagine it's the same who think that Bryan being in the main event and wrestling for the title was also their plan from the get go.

There's no proof like some are asking for but it was obvious. Reigns was getting all the attention near the end of the Shield. SS and then the Rumble. He then wins the rumble the next year and beats Bryan clean. You think they spent a year of protecting Reigns to get Seth over with the cash in? Seth who has eaten a few spears and pins from Reigns :drake1
 
#56 ·
Hold up so Reigns was getting all the attention and Seth wasn't getting anything near that?

Are you shitting me?

Seth was damn near placed on a pedestal & WWE kept him strong for damn near a year. This is the same Seth Rollins who didn't take a pin until 3-4 months ago & people were starting to complain about him looking too strong.

And the Bryan thing is completely different. You have a situation where somebody leaves which causes the WWE to scramble their plans vs a guy who is a Edge/HBK hybrid, a guy who became the top heel in the company & a guy both HHH & Vince are high on.
 
#7 · (Edited)
I pretty much concur with Tailhook. However, Reigns winning the title really wasn't the problem (though it's still too soon for a heavyweight title run in my book) Reigns being ''the one who beat the one'' was the real sticking point & is why fans really went sour on Reigns when he won the Rumble, because WWE seemed to be telegraphing it. Going over Bryan was actually a fucking moronic decision that only galvanised even somewhat casual fans against Reigns. Even if Rollins had cashed in directly after Reigns had pinned Lesnar, Reigns still goes down as the one who beat the one. And the crux of the issue was the company weren't comfortable with Reigns being the guy to do it, however much they might be behind him.

He isn't Cena 2.0, despite how marks for him think the negative reaction is just hardcore fans & equates with Cena in the early days & if only VKM persists he'll be the controversial face of the company, just like Cena.

See, why Cena worked in the end isn't because Vince was a stubborn bastard & pushed him down our throats & eventually forced enough casual & kiddie fans to accept him (even if that's what VKM probably thinks) it was ultimately because Cena had already built up a loyal fan-base that would stick with him through thick & thin, through a great gimmick & awesome mic-work before the company strapped a rocket under his arse. Roman doesn't have that & Vince figured that it wasn't worth the risk.

Besides, the streak rub & the world title rub should be separate, why waste it all on one guy when you can let multiple guys gain from it? Have one guy beat brock & another win the title.
 
#72 ·
I love that everyone assumes Vince changed his mind / was strong armed by fans into this.

Fact are facts and the one thing we know 100% to be accurate is that on the night, Reigns lost.



Everything else about Reigns going to win, is all from dirtsheets.
They cater to the IWC and they know that "Reigns to beat Lesnar" gets more shares, more hits and more comments than their other options so they post that to create revenue.
 
#77 ·
I love that everyone assumes Vince changed his mind / was strong armed by fans into this.

Fact are facts and the one thing we know 100% to be accurate is that on the night, Reigns lost.



Everything else about Reigns going to win, is all from dirtsheets.
They cater to the IWC and they know that "Reigns to beat Lesnar" gets more shares, more hits and more comments than their other options so they post that to create revenue.
:applause
 
#14 ·
I'm still waiting for someone to counter this.

Some of us were saying for months Rollins would cash in at Wrestlemania, it happens and oh Vince blinked? He caved in?

I don't think it's so absurd to believe this was the plan, for any fan to believe they were the reason for this it's very delusional.
 
#54 ·
Why do people find it so ridiculous that an anti-WWE campaign that trended worldwide on Twitter for almost 24 straight hours could possibly influence their Wrestlemania plans? Of course that would alter their Mania plans. WWE fanboys are so stupid. These are the same kind of people who claim Triple H 'put over' Daniel Bryan. Some of you need a lesson in business.

Anyway, yes it feels good that #CancelWWENetwork reaped rewards. Let's just hope beyond hope that they can finally pull out a solid year of programming because TV shows have really been lacklustre recently. They have such a talented roster and need to start using it right.
 
#98 ·
It doesn't matter. This is what people fail to understand. Reigns came out looking strong. He's going to become champion. He'll probably headline next year too.

If anything, Lesnar re-signing likely had a bigger impact than any of this other bullshit. Lesnar looked like a joke after the Triple H feud, but there's no denying they've done a great job of building him after the streak and Cena matches. He looks like a legit special attraction now. This was someone who hardly got a reaction, but now fans respond well to Lesnar. Considering he's signed a new contract just days before Wrestlemania, it's more likely that Vince McMahon wanted to protect him a bit more so he could be used again.

No one came out looking bad from that match. Lesnar was protected, but so was Reigns. And people are fucking fooling themselves if they think Reigns isn't going to be the man for the foreseeable future. I guarantee the same people saying this crap are going to be crying about Rollin's title run eventually with all sorts of bullshit because it's eventually going to be all about Reigns and Lesnar again. How are people this gullible?
 
#22 · (Edited)
We know for sure what the plan originally was.

Once Lesnar lost to Taker, Reigns got slotted as the guy to defeat him at the next WM to create the next Face of the Company, simple as that. I heard about the plan of Reigns v Lesnar the day after WM30 :p. And that was before Rollins even won MITB.

Trust me.. nobody in WWE sat back a year ago and said... LETS HAVE SETH ROLLINS CASH MITB TO WIN THE WM31 MAIN EVENT. If you went back in time and told Vince that Seth Rollins would win the WM31 Main Event on a cash-in he'd be like... 'WHAT THE FUCK?'
 
#38 ·
We were told it was impossible. We were told that Reigns winning was inevitable.
By who exactly? People really let their imaginations run riot and suddenly speculation and opinion becomes fact. The level of self adulation amongst some of the hardcore wrestling fanbase really is something else, newsflash you are not important, events are not determined by your tastes and preferences, in the grand schemes of things your opinion means fuck all. The main event last night was some of the best booking that I have seen in years, everyone came out looking good and yet I am suppose to believe that is all down to a group of fucktards on the internet starting an online petition, do fuck off.
 
#48 ·
The IWC may have gotten what they wanted in the big match but Vince and his idiotic habits still took a big chunk of flesh out of last night's proceeding.

-A red hot heel's undefeated streak was sacrificed for a feel-good moment in the twilight portion of John Cena's career.

-Undertaker came back to do something that served zero purpose other than burying Bray Wyatt.

-Triple H beat Sting because the McMahon family still have a grudge against WCW.
 
#51 ·
Why I think the event was still mostly mediocre and really a failure when you get right down to it. So many older guys went over younger talent that need the wins so they can become mainstays at the upper tiers. It was maddening. Seth was the only truly great decision in a match that had that kind of "this is the future!" necessity.
 
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#52 ·
You children are delusional if you think any of that BS affected this booking.

Everything was pretty obvious of who would and wouldn't have won.

They have been trying to pull up the status of the lower card belts and introducing a new "scary guy" now that Taker is about on his last beat. not only that but Rollins has had THE biggest character build since Lesnars debut. There was no way on earth that they wee going to waste his cash in on anything other than WM. He's been on TV more than anyone by a ridiculous margin. Rollins is in all the main events all the tag teams, all the story angles, if it wasn't obvious they were building him up as "the guy" then I don't know what to tell you.

The only thing and I mean ONLY thing surprising was the Sting match and that was surprising in a bad way. But even that, considering HHH and Vince egos sounds about right on target..
 
#55 ·
You children are delusional if you think any of that BS affected this booking.
You are delusional if you think it didn't. The battle lines were clear. Vince was going to annoit Roman the chosen one by having him beat Lesnar at WM31. We've known this from the moment Rumble ended and it had been rumored long before that.

Did it happen? No.

Now, they can make whatever excuses they want. Try to claim it was all part of the plan to CASH in the WM ME (just whatever to that one). The fact of the matter is, at the end of the day the story changed, and it was a direct result to the reaction of the fans to their chosen one. Its as simple as that.

We won.
 
#65 ·
Do people who publicly claimed they weren't going to watch WM but did anyway have the same mindset?

"I didn't really not want to watch Mania, but pretending I wasn't going to and posting about it online made Vince blink even though I was going to watch anyway regardless of the outcome of the main event."

With such a warped perception of reality, I wouldn't be surprised if some of you pat yourselves on the back after Lesnar re-signed.
 
#123 ·
That's what happens when WWE telegraphs their intentions a year in advance. They practically made us part of the booking committee, and unlike the rest of those jokers, we aren't yes men for Vince.

And if Vince had his way, Roman would now be champ and they'd be declaring him the greatest champion in WM history having done what no other person could do in vanquishing The Beast, in being the 1 to beat the 1 in 21 in 1, in being the greatest thing since Chicken Fries (o they'd insert a sponsor in there somewhere!), in being so good he makes Cena look like a geek! Yes, he's the one and only Samoan Beastdozer!

And you know he would, too. Hell, he may eventually by the time he's done. I've said it before that this swerve is likely only a postponement of the coronation, but I'll take it! We literally got everything we wanted for the second year in a row. :grin2:

Now if they could just be bothered with actually writing decent RAW's again. Cause seriously, the back half of Monday stunk up the house.
 
#121 · (Edited)
I love how some people are trying to gloss over this by claiming the plan was always for Rollins to cash in :punk2

Just like the plan was for Bryan to have a triple threat match with Orton and Batista last year :punk2

Vince's plan all along was for the annointed Reigns to win the Royal Rumble only to have Rollins pin him at Mania :punk2

:punk2 :punk2 :punk2 :punk2 :punk2 :punk2 :punk2

OP is right though, nobody wants to see the business go under we just want Vince to open his eyes and stop making stupid decisions.
 
#15 ·
Amen, now there's no need to boo Roman Reigns anymore, now he can develop himself so that he's ready when he wins the world title, may he develop and proper til he's ready to win the title.
 
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#63 ·
Absolutely Reigns can bounce back from this. He needs to back down the card, develop his mic skills, improve his rignwork and maybe get a new gimmick. Like Orton...he was pushed down our throat in 2004, it didn't work, he went back to midcard, improved and became one of the greatest of the current era. Reigns could do the same.

Vince has to learn he can't shove a wrestler down our throats and expect us to care about them because he said so. Getting over is a natural connection with the fans, whether it be love or hate. It happens organically and WWE can't decide who is over or not.

Maybe Reigns will become over some day, maybe he won't...but it will his connection with the fans that will decide this, not Vince McMahon or HHH or anyone.
 
#33 ·
No, because best case scenario is you're only delaying the inevitable. Roman Reigns isn't done. His face run is done. What we're probably going to see is Rollins be champ until around MITB/ SS from there Ambrose wins the briefcase and wins the belt and that will lead to a triple threat where Roman wins the belt.

Vince already accomplished his goal of saying Roman was the best when he Main Evented WrestleMania. He'll accomplish his goal again when Roman wins the belt in a convincing manner rather than a fluke MITB cash in. He'll put the period down when Roman is in the championship match at 32. By hook or by crook they're going to shove him down your throat.

The only that was possibly accomplished is he's not their face of the company. Just the next Randy Orton.
 
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