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Is Reigns getting better?

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#1 ·
On the mic: No. And absolutely no chance. I lost that faith some time ago

In the ring: Well, Im surprised at the rate he is improving....Trying things we have seen before from other people but trying it himself. It wont be match of the year, but he can maybe full a decent match against Brock.

I do notice that Reigns does better matches with people technically more able than him such as Bryan, Rollins, etc.
 
#4 ·
It's an optical illusion. This is what happens when working with the best in the company in Bryan , Rollins , and soon to be Lesnar. That's what they're there for, to make Reigns LOOK better(or strong) but in honesty he shouldn't be learning how to work a match, have better cardio and get better on the mic AFTER he's headlined wrestlemania and win teh title. That's just insane to me
 
#29 · (Edited)
He's not improved in the ring at all. He's always been a great athlete but his pacing, flow, match structure, and psychology are all absolutely dismal. Some of the worst I've seen in a long time.

His matches against Bryan and Rollins were awkwardly paced and had no real flow or psychology. Bryan and Rollins have proven to be phenomenal in those aspects so if he's managed to drag those two down then god help us all at mania against Brock.

Wrestling isn't just moves and how you execute them. Reigns excels at his execution but there is a psychology in regards to how a good match is structured and he's failed in this regard with all of his singles matches. He has the athleticism and the body for wrestling, but too inexperienced of a mind. Which is the most glaring flaw of pushing this man years before he is even remotely ready.
 
#38 ·
He couldn't exactly have gotten any worse. Rollins & Bryan and a few other workers could get a good match with a broomstick. He's still not good enough to be main eventing WrestleMania, far from it, and the fact he got the super push before he was even near ready will forever hang over him and some fans will always despise him for that.

Some people are so desperate to see a glimpse of improvement in him if he pulls off a move that looks good then a fucking thread gets started about it with several gifs of that move in many different speeds and sizes.
 
#8 ·
Your opinion means absolutely nothing if you cannot back it up.

It was damn near impossible that Reigns got worst.

It's an optical illusion. This is what happens when working with the best in the company in Bryan , Rollins , and soon to be Lesnar. That's what they're there for, to make Reigns LOOK better(or strong) but in honesty he shouldn't be learning how to work a match, have better cardio and get better on the mic AFTER he's headlined wrestlemania and win teh title. That's just insane to me
Well, you could be right that working with people like Bryan and Rollins makes him look better. But you have to give him credit as his moves arent done alone.
 
#66 ·
Jesus some of you people are just blinded by hatred.

Remember when the Shield debuted? Reigns said one line, "believe in the Shield". That's it. And it sucked. Now, he's going out there and delivering promos on his own. He's much, much better when he's natural, like in the sit down interviews. The live promos seem to be handcuffing to him. They need to let him work on his own from bullet points, not script his shit word for word. But yes, he's improved on the mic. Some Bryan marks refuse to give this guy ANY credit.

In ring work has gotten much better as well. The Bryan/Reigns match at Fast Lane is a candidate for match of the year so far...and even if you want to say Bryan "carried" Reigns, you still need Reigns in the equation to have a good match.

Reigns also isn't afforded the same excuses other wrestlers get, because people just hate on him. For example, Bryan is "watered down" and is only using 5% of his actual arsenal of moves because WWE is holding him back. But Reigns sucks because he only knows 5 moves. When ANY OTHER WRESTLER NOT NAMED CENA cuts a cheesy promo, it's the WWE writers. With Reigns, it's just Reigns sucks and is horrible. Some people are acting like this guy is Bastion Booger, and it's laughable.

People hate Reigns for one reason: the perceived slight that he is in Daniel Bryan's position. You can argue and use the "he's not ready", "he's green", etc. arguments, but what it really boils down to is simply the fact that he's headlining WrestleMania and Daniel Bryan isn't. Before you label me a Bryan hater, I do agree that Bryan should be in some sort of significant match at WM (NOT FUCKING SHEAMUS)...I would have been perfectly fine with a triple threat match. But even if they went with the triple threat match that would have simply delayed the Reigns hate train for another month or so.
 
#74 ·
People hate Reigns for one reason: the perceived slight that he is in Daniel Bryan's position. You can argue and use the "he's not ready", "he's green", etc. arguments, but what it really boils down to is simply the fact that he's headlining WrestleMania and Daniel Bryan isn't.
Really, still beating this dead horse that has been discredited on here time and time again? The backlash against Reigns stems from MUCH MORE than the misuse of Bryan. The problem is that WWE has forgotten how to push more than one guy at a time.

Just look at Ambrose, who was outselling Cena merch and one of the most over guys on the roster leading up to HIAC. Ziggler? Back to the IC hunt for him. Rollins? In a bland feud with Orton that has barely even risen to a simmer yet, with less that 30 days to the grandest stage of them all.

Reigns' push embodies everything that has frustrated long time viewers over the last several years. Vince has lost any connection with the pulse by shoving Reigns (or Cena in every other case) down our throats when there are several other guys who are much more qualified to be in his place on the BIGGEST event of the year!

Any one who gets over organically has their momentum halted. The record speaks for itself at this point. Ryder, Punk, Ryback, Bryan, Ziggler, Ambrose, just to name a few. Vince ignores what makes the fans react, instead saying "YOU WILL LIKE WHAT I TELL YOU!"

:vince3

I for one have given Roman due credit when he has improved. Unfortunately he keeps consistently letting me down. His Fast Lane performance was commendable, but his work last night both on the mic and in the ring left a lot to be desired. Sure wasn't Main Event of Wrestlemania worthy that's for damn sure. They are killing his potential and excitement for WM simultaneously.

But for God's sake drop the "SMARKS ARE JUST BUTTHURT COZ ITS NOT BRYAN" fallacy already. It's just not accurate. This is a shitstorm that has been brewing for years now and Reigns has given a place to focus the fan's collective and not to mention, cumulative, grievances. They could have given him one more year and groomed him organically, but Vince insists on being "a millionaire instead of a billionaire".

I haven't given him a dime since the Rumble and at this rate this lackluster RTWM is not remotely inspiring.
 
#110 ·
No. He's getting worse. He was improving each and every day during his time with the Shield but as soon as they broke up his momentum & development went down hill, even more so when three months through injury and came back worse than ever. He was actually ok before that injury.
 
#111 ·
Pretty much this, he's been horribly exposed in this single's run. Not all of it is the guy's fault, they are using him on the mic all wrong. If a guy can't talk and has the look of a badass, let him keep his "silent badass" gimmick and "speak softly and carry a big stick". Instead we get him yapping away pulling silly faces, and this is AFTER they dropped the Looney Tunes shit, let's not even go into that.
 
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#17 ·
Yes he is, which just shows his major push could have been put on hold for like a year. Instead, we have post after post claiming Reigns is getting better! Reigns is earning his spot! That's all fine and good, but I don't believe you should be "earning" the spot you've been placed in. You should have already earned it from the start.

Regardless, he is getting better. I just still don't care for him, unfortunately.
 
#20 ·
Here is the thing, the fact we even have to have this discussion; whether Reigns is improving or not, pretty much shows the guy should not be in the WM Main Event.

But to answer the OP question, is he improving, yes, as anyone with any talent should, given time and opportunity to do so, but a person, like many others have said, should not be in this stage of "improving" when they are the focus of the biggest show of the WWE's year.
 
#32 ·
I love how the WrestleForum posters are the barometer on what WWE paid employees "deserve" or "do not deserve".

It is fake. It's all fake. You guys are mad about fake, scripted shit. It's not like he's a 0-5 MMA fighter that Dana just gave a title shot in the UFC. IT'S FUCKING FAKE!

Do you guys bitch to the writers of your favorite books and shows about how you disagree that the character you don't like should not have been the hero in the end because you think he didn't deserve it?
 
#35 ·
Lol. Best post here in a while. I agree. Yes it's the job of the better worker to prop up the big babyface and make them look good, that's what pro wrestling is. Wrestling isn't a meritocracy.


Anyway hard to say if he's improved in the ring since I've never seen what's so terrible about his ring work anyway. His spear, superman punch, flying clothesline and outside dropkick thing usually look great to me so I have no problems with him in that regard. He just needs to up the intensity a bit.
 
#36 · (Edited)
Any fucking dipshit can tell that the dude is getting better on the mic and in the ring. He's only been wrestling for a few year. So you are basically punishing a new wrestler because you, in all your infinite professional wisdom, deem him unworthy of his current spot.

Oh, and the fact that you are so pissed your boy will not become as big as Austin/Rock. That is truly the root of all this hate - 100%.

On top of all that, a bunch of Bryan fans making fun of Reigns being shitty on the mic is ironically rich!
 
#39 ·
Yes, I think his in-ring work has definitely improved, and it seems like he's doing everything possible to try to "prove" himself before Mania.


What I think doesn't help however, is how obviously desperate (and panicky) it seems Vince & co. are getting that Mania is coming up and Reigns still isn't where he needs to be in terms of wrestling and fan reaction, and they're booking obviously more advanced wrestlers such as Rollins to essentially be jobbers to him. It's not doing them, Rollins etc., or Reigns any favours as it's making everyone resent Reigns even more. It's a shame how bad things have got for Reigns really, when it didn't need to be that way.
 
#54 ·
First of all, learn how to spell.
Second of all, the man botches what little dialogue is given to him.
Thirdly, he doesn't know how to carry his own ass, let alone somebody else's, which is required as the top guy.
Fourthly, even though he may have added a move to his repertoire, his ring psychology is shit.
And number five, either way, the crowd doesn't care.
 
#67 ·
Yes... he has improved and every week, he seems to bring out something in the ring.

Even if his promos are hits and misses, he is still trying.

Like the old saying goes: "It's better to try and fail than fail to try."

Haters are gonna hate but I'm looking at the positive side of this.
 
#76 ·
He may be getting a little better, but he's not at the level of WrestleMania main eventer. As a huge fan of powerhouse wrestlers, I simply don't like Reigns. I wouldn't even call him a powerhouse, but WWE seems to be ramming the idea down our throats. Also, as much as I'm not a Daniel Bryan fan, he's the right guy to face Lesnar this year. Beast versus artificial powerhouse isn't as great on paper as WWE thinks it is.
 
#132 ·
The thing is Reigns shouldn't need to be improving, he needs to already be improved to actually warrant his Push to the top
 
#10 ·
Yes he has improved a little. He is still super protected in promos and in the ring, so he hasn't improved enough where they have confidence in him like they do other upper midcarders and main eventers.

But it doesn't matter really. He could have been at a standstill and the Usuals would say they see improvement or he's getting better. Or he could be actually getting better and the other people would act like he hasn't improved at all.

It's like Rollins on the mic, he's vastly improved and cut some pretty damn good promos but the same people act like he's still awful.
 
#11 ·
Yes he's improving to some degree. Though moreso in the ring than on the mic, where he really needs to work on his confidence and delivery.

There are going to be significant bumps along the road. That is what happens when you push someone with less than a years worth of experience in solo wrestling on the main roster into the 'Mania main event. The lost months due to his hernia don't help either.

They should stop restricting him in the ring. He needs whatever cool moves and spots he can deliver well at this point as his limited speaking abilities and the corny material he is given pretty much guarantee he isn't going to wow people on the mic.

Ambrose was so much more ready for this in 2015.
 
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