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Conspiracy theory that Ambrose was cooled off to protect Romans mega push

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#1 ·
Was listening to a podcast today and this was the point that was being made.

Basically the gist is wwe saw how hot Ambrose was getting during the summer while Reigns was out injured that they did not want to end up in a similar situation like they had the year before with the fans wanting Bryan to be the one to win the rumble and go to wrestlemania

Also similar to 2005 when the plan was for Orton to get his revenge for HHH turning on him but Batista blew past him and they had no choice but to go with him at mania instead.

So they put Ambrose with Bray (the heat killer as the guy puts it) for some reason and he loses all but one match in the feud. We have see how bad Ambrose's booking has been since the seth feud.

You can also see how guys like Bryan, Ziggler and Ambrose were eliminated in the rumble clearing the path for Reigns, it just didn't work.
 
#13 ·
Why can't they have Reigns, Ambrose, Wyatt, Bryan, Rollins etc all look strong?
Because the fans aren't willing to accept anything less than main event as a success in this era. Here within this forum alone, how many consider Barrett a failure despite the fact he is a solid mid card star? Impatient and selfish fans are to blame as well, perhaps more than WWE itself.
 
#2 · (Edited)
Fuck, I believe it all.. After watching RAW this week and all the shit we hear about "MAKE ROMAN LOOK STRONG" it's just become a damn joke.. Why the rush with Roman? Wait a year or two, he has plenty of time to get over the way you want him to but now he has been fucked, when the fans would have gone nuts for Bryan, Ambrose, or Ziggler in the main event. All three of those guys were over on the level that they want Reigns to be at, and that is in spite of shitty booking.
 
#50 ·
db just came from 2 major surgeries, ziggler is his own worst enemy and ambrose is a slow build. ppl need to realize this is a big picture thing. it's not about roman alone, it's about the sheild and an overall youth movement- we see that with paige, ascension and cesaro with the tag title. they gave it to roman first because he is the most ready. this could setup a wm 32 sheild main event.
 
#3 ·
Was listening to a podcast today and this was the point that was being made.

Basically the gist is wwe saw how hot Ambrose was getting during the summer while Reigns was out injured that they did not want to end up in a similar situation like they had the year before with the fans wanting Bryan to be the one to win the rumble and go to wrestlemania

Also similar to 2005 when the plan was for Orton to get his revenge for HHH turning on him but Batista blew past him and they had no choice but to go with him at mania instead.

So they put Ambrose with Bray (the heat killer as the guy puts it) for some reason and he loses all but one match in the feud. We have see how bad Ambrose's booking has been since the seth feud.

You can also see how guys like Bryan, Ziggler and Ambrose were eliminated in the rumble clearing the path for Reigns, it just didn't work.
And they ended up in the same situation.


I don't think Ambrose was cooled off for Reigns. I think he was used to build up Bray for Taker, since he was the only guy around (not named Cena) that could give Bray some kind of credibility because God knows how much they ruined Bray Wyatt.
 
#8 · (Edited)
I've been saying this all along myself. Ambrose got and is still over despite the shit booking all on his own. The guy has it all, he's so natural on the Mic and can really connect with the fans, which is one of the most important attributes in getting over. Even though we can all agree his ring work isn't anything spectacular.

I may be biased being a huge mark but I honestly believe this guy could be as big as Austin and Rocky.

But you even fucking dare get a tiny bit over than "Da Look" well its the mid card for you son.
 
#65 ·
His promo skills are scary good, like he doesn't even need to think about what to say, he just says it. 90% of the roster when on the mic you can just tell that they're preparing their next lines between pauses.
 
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#43 ·
Why would WWE purposely ruin 2-3 guys that would sell more merchandise, sell more tickets, sell more pay-per views just to get one guy over? Are Reigns-haters actually that sad to create conspiracy theories now?

Ziggler has always been a mid-carder who gets the odd push and he was just in the right place at the right time at Survivor Series. Cena had to lose because of Big Show's heel turn actually meaning something so when Sting came someone had to pin Rollins. Ambrose is just the example of bad booking but luckily is the sort of guy who at the moment can lose a few matches and the fans still love him. How many times did he beat Rollins? And the fans kept cheering for him. He also helped make Bray relevant again and build him up for the Undertaker. And like someone mentioned above, the same booking team has made a "few" people turn against Reigns since his return.

There's a pattern here and it involves the creative team.
 
#44 · (Edited)
Why would WWE purposely ruin 2-3 guys that would sell more merchandise, sell more tickets, sell more pay-per views just to get one guy over? Are Reigns-haters actually that sad to create conspiracy theories now?
Read the quote in my sig. Vince doesn't care about money, he's a classic control freak. Nothing about being "sad", some people just see through his games and others don't. The way he's pushed people over the years who could make him money speaks for itself.
 
#19 ·
I think WWE does a fantastic job at killing everyones momentum to be honest. No face can stay too hot with this booking. Even Reigns in my opinion was messed up when with the unnecessary VIA satellite interviews, come back feud with Bigshow, and the random sufferin succatash fairytale character they gave him leading into the rumble. :shrug:

They're going to effectively kill whats left of Orton and Bryan too.
 
#39 ·
Is everyone in this thread going to pretend they didn't kill Reigns momentum upon his return as well. Big pop for return for slammies, big pop the next week at TLC, Big pop and roman chants the next night on Raw and then HUGE change of character with the super pg promos outta no where.

If we're using Dean dummy segment as a example of killing momentum...
WWE just suck at booking and even the guys they try with and truly like suffer from them being clueless to what the fans want.
 
#20 · (Edited)
As soon as he was 'injured' by Seth I just knew it was an obvious ploy for them to cool down his momentum.

He was in the best moment of his career and arguably the most over guy at the time. They then made him play a lead role with no acting experience whatsoever? He would not have finished his feud with Seth if Roman hadn't got injured, I'm 100% sure of that.

I mean look at the crowd at Summerslam there was a bunch of Ambrose 3:16 posters. He was white hot, interesting and the fans loved him.

But when he did comeback they made him play a cartoon character. And the Wyatt feud was horrible. Not much screen time, no actual story. In the end both men tried to get over with there 'hardcore' matches. And while the Authority were losing their jobs he was in a completely different world that nobody cared about

Its still ironic after all those losses, he's still really over.
 
#25 · (Edited)
He was cooled off because they don't like him, and I'm sure Reigns had something to do with that but the fact still remains that Vince wouldn't have pushed him regardless of whether or not Reigns had a job with WWE, because Ambrose isn't their mold. He can talk, he can work, he has charisma, he has a character that he knows how to perform, he looks like a guy that'll beat the shit out of you in a bar, and he wasn't their creation. All positive things, so naturally, all negative things to Vince McMahon and the other members of the Fellowship Of The Ring.
 
#23 · (Edited)
I doubt it because Ambrose was jobbing long before Reigns got injured. They never saw him as anything to begin with. He doesn't fit the mold of a company face, so they just put him in the mid card. It was more of keeping Rollins strong to be fed to Reigns than sabotaging Ambrose. After Ambrose came back from his movie filming, Vince got too obsessed with trying to live vicariously through Ambrose and took the Lunatic Fringe gimmick too far. Ambrose himself said all of that stupid shit with the doll was Vince's idea. Reigns sounded like a cartoon character when he came back from his injury. This wasn't intentional sabotage, it was just Vince being a moron. He genuinely thinks this kind of crap is entertaining, and that's why he needs to get out.
 
#48 ·
Who in the blue hell is Mr. Saint Laurent?? If this is quote is true, how come neither Nash nor Hall have EVER, even once, mentioned in the last 20 years? And how come Vince himself chose Bryan, the man he supposedly hates, in 2013 to main event summerslam against and beat him clean?

Bullshit story, typical anti-Vince garbage.
Exactly....took the words right out of my mouth.
 
#5 ·
It's WWE's company, they can do what they want, and they have it in their minds that currently Roman Reigns is more important than Dean Ambrose.

Someone genuinely made a podcast about a "conspiracy" about one guy being cooled off to protect another? How can it be a conspiracy when it's just WWE going with one over the other within their own company?
 
#7 ·
Except they were the ones who pushed Ambrose in Roman's place when he was injured. And by your own admission, it is/was Roman's place from the beginning. So what really is the issue? I mean its not like Ambrose was like drawing huge and making a difference on top. He was just a temporary replacement, a place holder and him leaving made no difference in any manner.

Bray Wyatt being called "the heat killer" is hilarious though :lmao because in some ways it is actually true. Not by the man's own choice though, its the damn creative and bookers who are not capable of handling such a deep and unique character. Essentially, Bray Wyatt as a character is too big for WWE creative of this era, or perhaps he is too big for wrestling itself.
 
#11 ·
Except they were the ones who pushed Ambrose in Roman's place when he was injured. And by your own admission, it is/was Roman's place from the beginning. So what really is the issue? I mean its not like Ambrose was like drawing huge and making a difference on top. He was just a temporary replacement, a place holder and him leaving made no difference in any manner.
Well with Bryan and Reigns injured and Brock not wrestling they had to push someone, the card was empty.

The best Feud they had was Rollins vs Ambrose.
 
#29 ·
The Shield was mega over. 1 guy got to keep the theme, the entrance, the look. The others didn't. I think it's pretty clear what's going on here and it's no conspiracy.

It's also interesting that we don't think the WWE does any long range planning, but this Roman thing has been in the works a long time. First protect him and get him over with the Shield. Have Lesnar end Taker's streak and turn into a complete monster decimating Cena. Prepare Roman to challenge him at WM.

This has all likely been in the works for years. They probably wished Roman had developed further at this point. And they probably have to tip toe around booking decisions to make sure Roman gets booked super strong to make up for his lack of development to this point.

But all and all, they are on track and should be happy with what they have. I do think his injury set things back a little. If it weren't for the injury, these plans would be moving along a little better at this point. But they're recovering nicely.
 
#35 ·
I'm not going to get into the supposed theory that WWE deliberately did it because they wanted to protect Reigns as there is no real way of knowing, but here are the facts:

1) Dean Ambrose was VERY over with the crowd during that stretch of time- more over than Reigns has probably ever been.

2) After the WWE decided to pretty much job Dean out & put him in what is my opinion horrible segments (like smashing that dummy with the hammer), his reaction cooled considerably.

There is no reason why the WWE shouldn't of capitalized on his popularity at that time- Dean should be more or less on par with where Rollins is now.
 
#73 ·
I don't think this is a conspiracy theory. I think this is something that very obviously happened in front of our very eyes.

They established a very clear hierarchy with the Shield, where Ambrose always lost to Rollins, and Rollins always lost to Reigns.

Even when the three of them were together, Ambrose was clearly the most charismatic on the mic and WWE saw this, and felt that they couldn't have Ambrose (or ANYONE) looking better than Reigns. That's been the call they made for well over a year now.
 
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