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Randy Orton has been a fail with all the huge pushes he has received?

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#1 ·
well I have read in this forum, that randy orton has been pushed to the moon so many times, and he has failed with all this pushes, I mean a 12 time world champ who most of you here think , he is so overrated, and no a true superstar to face the rock or brock lesnar in a wrestlemania match.
 
#7 ·
Re: so randy orton has been a failed with all the huge pushes he has received?

Youngest world champion, first WWE World Heavyweight Championship, 12 world champion, most main event time time anybody except John Cena.

2015 and he's still less relevant than Damien Mizdow :duck

Can't think on a bigger wrestling failure, i just can't.
 
#35 ·
Re: so randy orton has been a failed with all the huge pushes he has received?

Youngest world champion, first WWE World Heavyweight Championship, 12 world champion, most main event time time anybody except John Cena.

2015 and he's still less relevant than Damien Mizdow :duck

Can't think on a bigger wrestling failure, i just can't.
You must not have much in your brain then, pro-wrestling wise.

Orton's made a ton of money from pro wrestling, how's he considered a failure? He returned in 2015 and the fans popped and he hasn't really been given shit in a while.
 
#17 ·
Re: so randy orton has been a failed with all the huge pushes he has received?

As an Orton fan i don't give a fuck about whether he can draw or whether he's over with fans, the main thing i DO care about is him being on my tv and putting on awesome matches
That's what pro wrestling is all about. Not draw, buy rates, heat, blah blah blah and other terms people carelessly throw around.
 
#36 ·
Re: Randy Orton has been fail with all the huge pushes he has received?

I'm tired of hearing about how they wanted him to be John Cena but he failed. THEY NEVER PUSHED HIM TO BE IN THAT POSITION!

He's no different than Edge in that he has World Titles in double digits but was always just a supporting character and never displayed as THE GUY. How can he become the top guy when he's never allowed to get the momentum rolling?

Tell me, what are his biggest feuds of his career as a main eventer? Cena? Batista? Triple H? Bryan? Taker? True.

Against Undertaker, he lost the two big matches at WM and the HIAC match. Which means Taker won the feud. If they were hell bent on pushing him as the top guy, he would've been booked dominant and victorious like Brock Lesnar was against Taker.

Against Batista, I can't even recall him winning a match. You'll have to go back to when Batista was Evolution's henchman. He beat Orton at Armageddon even though he had to leave due to injury immediately after. Same thing happened at Extreme Rules 2009. Then he returned from injury after the summer and squashed Orton in a 5 minute match then got shipped off to Smackdown. He was also supposed to beat Orton at WM last year until plans changed.

Triple H? Don't even bring it up! Orton has only two singles victories over HHH at No Mercy 2007 and The Bash 2009. Both tainted because HHH wrestled his third match on the former and the latter was only won due to Legacy interfering and post-match, HHH still stood tall by bringing out a sledgehammer. Every other time, HHH has made Orton look like shit even when Orton was the face in 2004-05.

Cena? Considering the amount of times they've wrestled, it's only fair Orton would have his share of victories but Cena is still looking stronger in this feud with clean wins in just about every encounter where he came out on top while Orton has only ONE win that was close to clean at TLC which was a gimmick match that used no pinfalls or submissions.

Bryan? Probably the only feud other than HHH and Batista that made Orton look weakest. Every time he won was by a bunch of interference and Bryan went over him like a complete jobber any other time.

That's not even counting smaller feuds against The Miz and Mark Henry where he never got a win and put them over every time. Didn't even bring up the period where he lost clean to every midcard heel from Del Rio to Kane to Barrett to Ziggler for what felt like an eternity either. But somehow, he's supposed to become the face of the company, right? :rolleyes:
 
#26 ·
Re: Randy Orton has been fail with all the huge pushes he has received?

He's the opposite. He's so charismatic and good at what he does that he's survived burial many times. He's never actually gotten a huge push.

'04, HHH buries him immediately, he drops down the card

Legend Killer, Hogan beats him for no reason

Legend Killer vs. Taker at mania, could've cemented himself, instead loses and loses the feud

'07 never beat Cena, got handed the belt, immediately beat by HHH and barely beat him in a LMS match after HHH beat Umaga earlier that day.

Age of Orton, HHH is there to beat and injure him

'09 Viper, beats Mcmahons, is super over, huge momentum, starts getting booked cowardly so Vince and Shane can actually fight him as well as an old man Flair, and HHH buries him at WM25 and only loses the title in a 6 man tag which Batista f'ed up in. Then Batista squashes him for the title too but luckily gets injured

Miz cashes in on his next WWE run IIRC

Then WHC but Henry beats him (not bad, but doesn't do Orton favors)


Finally '13 and '14 he wins MitB, turns heel, but HH eclipses his heel turn by ALSO turning. Then he's HHH's lackey and Bryan easily stomps him every time they have a match. He gets to be WWE WHC, but is still HHH's whiny lackey and loses to everyone and their mama (Cesaro? Really?) and then loses at WM.

Still HHH's lackey, just losing to the Shield and putting over Reigns, now he comes back and his momentum is immediately killed again as he's the Authority's lackey again.

So no he's not a failure, but a tremendous success.
 
#34 ·
Re: Randy Orton has been fail with all the huge pushes he has received?

He's the opposite. He's so charismatic and good at what he does that he's survived burial many times. He's never actually gotten a huge push.

'04, HHH buries him immediately, he drops down the card

Legend Killer, Hogan beats him for no reason

Legend Killer vs. Taker at mania, could've cemented himself, instead loses and loses the feud

'07 never beat Cena, got handed the belt, immediately beat by HHH and barely beat him in a LMS match after HHH beat Umaga earlier that day.

Age of Orton, HHH is there to beat and injure him

'09 Viper, beats Mcmahons, is super over, huge momentum, starts getting booked cowardly so Vince and Shane can actually fight him as well as an old man Flair, and HHH buries him at WM25 and only loses the title in a 6 man tag which Batista f'ed up in. Then Batista squashes him for the title too but luckily gets injured

Miz cashes in on his next WWE run IIRC

Then WHC but Henry beats him (not bad, but doesn't do Orton favors)


Finally '13 and '14 he wins MitB, turns heel, but HH eclipses his heel turn by ALSO turning. Then he's HHH's lackey and Bryan easily stomps him every time they have a match. He gets to be WWE WHC, but is still HHH's whiny lackey and loses to everyone and their mama (Cesaro? Really?) and then loses at WM.

Still HHH's lackey, just losing to the Shield and putting over Reigns, now he comes back and his momentum is immediately killed again as he's the Authority's lackey again.

So no he's not a failure, but a tremendous success.
Whilst Orton has had more screen time and more title runs than a lot of people will ever get this guy has a point.

His booking over the years has been very poor and so has the use of his character.

You don't even need to go back so many years to evidence it still happening today.

Orton was nailing every promo, every match and really on fire from the time he won the belt to when he dropped it at Mania but there is so only so much you can do whenever you are booked like HHH's lackey when you are supposed to be demented bad ass. :shrug

The crowd don't want to see Randy Orton as Teachers pet in a stable headed by HHH and Stephanie anymore. They want to see him raising hell and doing his own thing. RKO'ing and punt kicking anyone who gets in his way.

He's been as big a victim of WWE's ineptitude over the years as virtually anyone else.

Don't mistake a ton of title reigns for them having given him every chance to succeed when they have never booked him to his strengths consistently.

They try to make him what they want him to be rather than giving the audience what they want to see from Orton.

It's something WWE do consistently wrong from certain characters.

Punk was another guy who was severely mishandled but i won't get into that in this thread.
 
#22 ·
Re: Randy Orton has been fail with all the huge pushes he has received?

Orton has made his mistakes, and plenty of them, but success in the WWE has always been a two-way street. That company hasn't done right by him for a very long time.
Don't get me started on his heel run last year with the Authority :fpalm
 
#52 ·
He's a guaranteed legend and Hall of Famer, so no, I wouldn't call him a failure. However, he is incredibly boring when his booking sucks and he just goes through the motions. I don't blame him though. He's been jobbed out for an entire year. It's hard to be excited about that when you're supposed to be one of the company's top guys.
 
#40 · (Edited)
The 'viper' and 'he hears voices' shit just gets on my nerves. Respect him as a in ring performer, don't want him taking a rising guy's push though. He is stale like Cena. A decade of handing them stuff. If it comes to Orton, like Cena, taking a Ambrose or Bryan from a top babyface spot, which they are, I don't want that. Orton needs to stay heel, put over new guys, and Cena can stay in dark matches away from TV.
 
#67 ·
Why is it bad Randy wants to lengthen his career by not doing stupid pointless bumps? I am sure Randy wants by the time he's fully retired to actually be able to play with his kid, not be stuck in a fucking wheelchair drooling on himself just because people want him to do dumbass CZW style bumps for no reason other than fans are blood thirsty
 
#4 ·
Re: so randy orton has been a failed with all the huge pushes he has received?

How is he overrated?
 
#6 ·
Re: so randy orton has been a failed with all the huge pushes he has received?

No, but he gets boring pretty quick. Every now and then, he's good, but it's hard to get into him after a long period of time face or heel. His recent sabbatical helped him
 
#11 ·
Re: so randy orton has been a failed with all the huge pushes he has received?

How has he failed? It's not like there's ever been much of a point where the success or failure of the company has lied solely or even mostly on him. John Cena is the face, and WWE has a powerful brand name that attracts viewers well enough on it's own anyway.

I remember reading some stats a while back that said the average attendance was normally always up a little when Orton was champion.
 
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