For the last few weeks(especially at Fast Lane), Reigns seemingly has used plenty of new moves, which he didn't use last year. Fireman drop, Sit down power-bomb, ***** suplex, and he pulled off really nice belly-the-belly suplex. He surely is burning the midnight oil and is definitely improving/has improved inside the ring. Credit must be given, where it's due. His match with Bryan was also very good @FL.
But still the haters will say that he has only 5 moves of doom
Sorry, if you're talking about execution, then I don't think there is any problem for Reigns(personally think his execution of moves is better than Cena). That belly the belly he did was very impressive, IMO.
As for timing the moves properly, yes he needs to improve on that department. But he's getting there, and getting there F-A-S-T:cool2
Far better talents than him have not had the chance to headline Wrestlemania, Punk quickly comes to mind despite getting over and being WWE champion for over a year, many other legends also (did Jake the Snake ever headline WM?), as does half the active roster. He is being forced into a position he doesn't deserve and that others deserve far more than him but are never being given a chance since WWE have already made up their minds that Reigns is better than them when clearly he is not. If people like Sandow, Ambrose and Barrett are not being given a chance, why should he have one when he is far less talented at everything than those guys.
Maybe it isn't his fault that WWE went with him, but I am sick of the look being what decides position within the company. Talent is what should really matter, and he is severely lacking any. Supporting Reigns is like admitting WWE are right for going with him, and they are not.
They've booked Reigns well and he has stepped up to the mark in recent weeks imo. Sure, he's not the finished article but he deserves credit.
Some of the hate aimed towards him is just petty at this stage. Everything he has done post rumble has been pretty good but some people just won't get off his back. :shrug
Lesnar/Reigns sit down face to face was very well done.
The Reigns/Bryan mini-feud had some excellent storytelling and development for their characters. Produced an excellent Tag-Team turmoil match with some of the best psychology and storytelling we've seen in WWE for a while, followed by an all out AE style brawl that closed the go home show which was also a highlight of the year and sold their match really well.
Then at Fast Lane they gave us a really good match (Not a classic) but very very good nonetheless and then last night Reigns was very solid on the mic again.
Seriously the guy has done nothing that has been bad since winning the rumble so even as a Daniel Bryan fan i can not criticize him right now and to be honest i do want to see Reigns/Lesnar.
The reason for this is that it is a huge opportunity for the guy to impress and he really will sink or swim. I don't mind which way it goes as there are guys on the roster I'd prefer to be in his spot BUT if he pulls it off and he makes the WWE Cena type money then fair play to him and fair play to WWE for getting it right.
If not then guys like Ambrose, Ryback, Bryan and even Rollins if he turns could get elevated in time.
I'm not worried at all.
I think overall the show could be booke dmuch better and WWE should be looking to change their model of one Top Guy etc but i've talked about this a million times and it's pointless because that isn't WWE.
We know what they are and it's not changing any time in the near future. Accept it or stop watching.
I really miss his heart punch. He broke it out a few times in tag matches in The Shield but I haven't really seen it much lately, if at all. He still needs a submission, though. There are plenty out there that aren't used by anyone on the WWE roster. Just need to pick one appropriate for the character.
But, Reigns is definitely improving. I was against this at first, but Reigns is the correct guy to push. There's just something raw there. Of course he'd probably do better with a IC run first, but if he's not dropping the ball at the main event level right now, then fuck it. So far, at least since The Rumble, Reigns has been handled very well and presented in a non-insulting fashion.
WWE addressed the pink elephants and moved on. Good for them, honestly.
I'm not a full blown Reigns mark, but I'm just callin' it like I see it. I have no idea how well he's going to mesh with Brock, but he's certainly giving it 100%. Hopefully his cardio, like others have said, gets better.
I really miss his heart punch. He broke it out a few times in tag matches in The Shield but I haven't really seen it much lately, if at all. He still needs a submission, though. There are plenty out there that aren't used by anyone on the WWE roster. Just need to pick one appropriate for the character.
First of all congratulations for compiling such a brilliant post. :clap
Now on to the topic. Yes, a powerful submission move would round off his moveset.
But, Reigns is definitely improving. I was against this at first, but Reigns is the correct guy to push. There's just something raw there. Of course he'd probably do better with a IC run first, but if he's not dropping the ball at the main event level right now, then fuck it. So far, at least since The Rumble, Reigns has been handled very well and presented in a non-insulting fashion.
Absolutely man, there is so much untapped potential. Yeah, I also wanted him to have a long title reign at the midcard level, but as you say if he can keep up with what he is doing atm, then it's fine.
I'm not a full blown Reigns mark, but I'm just callin' it like I see it. I have no idea how well he's going to mesh with Brock, but he's certainly giving it 100%. Hopefully his cardio, like others have said, gets better.
That's how it looks like when a wrestler is expanding in terms of moves. But I still feel that WWE should let go of the grip a little bit and give Reigns (and pretty much everyone else at the WWE) some more creative/move control(s).
That's how it looks like when wrestler is expanding in terms of moves. But I still feel that WWE should let go of the grip a little bit and give Reigns (and pretty much everyone else at the WWE) some more creative/move control(s).
This. A lot of the wrestlers are limited in what the WWE allows them do and some just assume that it's the wrestler's who are limited. I'm glad that the WWE is letting Reigns incorporate more moves into his offense/defense. I'd love to see him add a running powerbomb and keep the belly to belly suplex.
I've also noticed that Reigns has been tapping into the "Wild Samoan" side of himself where he gets very intense. I hope he keeps that trait as well. It enhances the character.
I also agree that it's time to remove the Shield gear and remix his music. He is Roman Reigns, soon to be next WWE Champion. He shouldn't still look like the one man Shield but that's a superficial complaint. Overall, the WWE has taken more care of his booking since the Rumble and Reigns has been dping his part.
For the last few weeks(especially at Fast Lane), Reigns seemingly has used plenty of new moves, which he didn't use last year. Fireman drop, Sit down power-bomb, ***** suplex, and he pulled of really nice belly-the-belly slam. He surely is burning the midnight oil and is definitely improving/has improved inside the ring. Credit must be given, where it's due. His match with Bryan was also very good @FL.
But still the haters will say that he has only 5 moves of doom
Indeed @Boots2Asses. I'm loving the flapjack and the off the ground powerbomb he does. I always said if they book him right he'll be able to show how good he is in the ring. They can't tell us shit about him not being able to wrestle 20 minute matches anymore.
lol so far in this thread I've seen comparisons to Samoa Joe and how he could be like HBK and not get over, I'm starting to think Kevin Dunn has hired a group of Facebook typing demons to swarm here.
Reigns doesn't need to be HBK or Samoa Joe. He just needs to be himself, and improve on the mic and inside the ring(which thankfully he is doing), and you're looking towards the making of one of the biggest wrestling stars of all time. Leaders don't follow the paths made by others, rather they make their own road. Believe that:reigns
Reigns doesn't need to be HBK or Samoa Joe. He just needs to be himself, and improve on the mic and inside the ring(which thankfully he is doing), and you're looking towards the making of one of the biggest wrestling stars of all time. Leaders don't follow the paths made by others, rather they make their own road. Believe that:reigns
Don't think adding a few moves to Reigns' arsenal is going to change how he's is being megapushed on the basis of looks and Samoan nepotism. Of course, WWE does its best to cover it up. He wasn't over before, and he's still dwindling in regions unwelcomed. WWE and Vince insulting fans by assuming they'll all be sucking his dick once he has a few new moves, is the typical creative mindset we are supposed to blindly support. But then again, we're all just "Haters". A term overused almost as much as the superkick.
Like most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Reigns isn't as bad as his detractors say, and he hasn't grown as much as his proponents claim. He's a talent without question, and a person the company should look to build around in the future.
His biggest problem right now isn't him, despite his obvious current limitations. It's the company's insistence of propping him up to the detriment of others. No other top-tier babyface would have been sent out to give the type of promo Bryan was saddled with last night (excluding Cena when he's in full-on "leach off the popularity of others" mode). By itself, that was over the top, and it was also done on the same night Heyman was sent out to put him over all-time greats. It's as though the WWE only believes Reigns can been seen as the guy if the audience is beaten over the head with the message. There will always be some detractors (even guys like Punk and Bryan have detractors within the IWC), but it's time for the company to start letting Reigns get over on his own merits.
Reigns is indeed working very hard to improve his moveset - and this is precisely the reason he probably shouldn't Main Event Mania.
Less than 5 weeks away and he's still trying to find an in ring style? This is proof he hasn't learnt his craft yet and he's now desperately playing catch up.
Saying this, I don't think Reigns will look weak at Mania. I think the spots in the match will be heavily scripted for Reigns to look good, unfortunately this in turn will make Brock look super weak, which kind of makes his whole run (and ending the Streak) pointless.
Ending the streak was supposed to pass the torch to someone. Reigns is the "one to beat the one in twenty-one and one" and whats stupid about it, is that if Taker was still healthy he himself simply would not face Reigns at Mania, Taker would not consider the man ready. But WWE logic = Reigns is somehow ready to carry the streaks legacy?
Reigns is improving but the whole situation is farcicle.
I think a lot of guys have moves they aren't showcasing because WWE wont allow them to. Then occasionally main eventers are allowed to bust out new ones which then gets the smarks on their side. It's strange how much everyone is restricted
You know what, a lot of people will hate me for saying this...
But I don't care he is improving...
If he actually cared about wrestling, he could have improved long before this.
If he is improving now, it is because he does not like being booed out the building, called out that he cannot wrestle and generally disliked. That is a fuck you to anyone who wanted to be a wrestler, he is just doing it for the money and fame.
And that shows in his performance, that lack of passion. Learning to do a move, will not tell you when to do it, only study of other wrestlers will do that. And if you are not a fan, and doing it only for money - you will not have studied that for years.
Of course, you can be bad at ring psychology, but failing to learn it at all will never make you good at it.
So what? He still sucks. Zero mic skills, barely any stamina (at one point during the Fastlane match I was thinking that he will pass out, and I'm pretty sure he wasn't selling it) , terrible acting (cringeworthy "badass" facial expessions), and so on. I don't understand the "presence" argument, he's not more impressive than fucking Ryback or guys like that. But then again, I don't watch wrestling to jack off to big, oiled up muscular men.
You reign marks never stop, you put him in the same line as Samoa Joe and HBK, we live in a world where actually living people think that. He had one very good match with the best in ring worker in WWE, lets see can he bring all the skills you Reign marks think he has at WM 31.
So when people do it for the 5 moves of doom thing for Cena or Reigns you can call those people out on it but when you exaggerate and someone calls you on it, you get all pissy LOL
good for Reigns for trying to expand his move set. That is what he should be doing.
I don't mind his ring work. There have been worse wrestlers. Sure, his cardio could improve but it will improve by wrestling singles matches, you get ring fit by being in the ring.
It is frustrating that hes in the main event of Mania based on his look and family history though. It's almost like a smack in the face to people who work hard and who the fans want. Not saying Reigns hasn't worked hard though.
Good luck to him. But building the guy up and putting him over on the mic doesnt really work in 2015.
So now we are suppose to praise him like some special ed child who finally learned the alphabet after 3 years of trying?
Lets not forget that Bryan made Reigns look better.
Oh, and lets not forget that Bryan is a small guy. Reigns figured he finally had the "powerhouse" strength in a match to lift Bryan and of course not get gassed while doing it.. He wouldn't have done any of those new moves if it was someone more relative to his size
Believe that.
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