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Backstage Talk on What WWE Thinks About Pushing Daniel Bryan, Possible WrestleMania 31 Opener

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#1 · (Edited)
It was said this week by a WWE source that no matter how hard the fans rally for Daniel Bryan and no matter how much he gets over, top WWE officials are not going to see him as a top guy that can be the face of the company.

Before the news came out this week that WWE was planning on doing Bryan vs. Dolph Ziggler at WrestleMania 31, there was a feeling among many that officials would not give in like they did last year and Bryan wouldn't be getting pushed to the WrestleMania main event again.

With that said, there was a rumor that Ziggler vs. Bryan could open WrestleMania 31
http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe...el_Bryan_Possible_WrestleMania_31_Opener.html

This fucking company. fpalm

I hope Ziggler and Bryan steal the show and embarrass everyone else.
 
#3 ·
They really don't get it, do they?

It's not 100% about Daniel Bryan. There are many factors.

Mistreating not only Daniel Bryan, also other fans favorites like Ziggler or Ambrose.

Pushing Roman Reigns to the moon while he is clearly not ready yet.

Keeping The Big Show and Kane in the main event scene over young, fresh heels in Wyatt, Rusev, Barrett, Cesaro.

Overall terrible booking.
 
#94 · (Edited)
Year 2011

:HHH Hey vince we have a new signing who has been on the rise his name is Daniel Brayan his a small guy that doesnt have the look.

:vince4 We can not allow that Dammit im loving Sheamus dont worry I will make it my personal mission to bury him Give him a nerdy gimmick and have micheal cole bury him every week.

:creepytrips brilliant idea he wont last long.


Year 2012


:vince3 its not working dammit his gaining steam time for a heel turn Bryan you need to turn heel be a weasel coward like character find a character and a catchphrase grab the brass ring.


:bryan2 yes sir
(Gets over as a heel)

:vince5 Yes thats your catchphrase its so silly it will never get over I need you to put over sheamus he has the look strong dammit 18 seconds if you a true main event player you will rise above it I will hand everything to sheamus.

:HHH2 His just a B+ player Vince my gym buddy has a great look he will be really over.

(After wrestlemania)

:vince7 whats wrong with these crowds they want talent over look that silly chant is over

:HHH lets just pair him with kane and put him in silly segment give him scraps and have jbl call him animal names every week.

:vince5 Brilliant do it dammit

(Year 20 fucking 13)

:HHH we can not deny it anymore he is the most over guy in the company and cena is injured lets give him the title shot and put him over.

:vince3 I understand but have Randy screw him over and have the relevant Big show steal his catchphrase

:trips7 ........


( year 2014)

:vince7 all our plans backfired on Daniel Bryan even turning him heel I dont want to put him over he dont have the look

:creepytrips Batista is coming back

:vince5 Dammit book him to win the rumble the look over talent and dont put Bryan

(Wrestlemania season)

:vince7 :vince7 :vince7

(After wrestlemania)

:vince5 next year ill book Roman Reigns to look strong this crowd love the look over talent im not out of touch that guy grabs my brass ring ill hand him every accomplishment make ambrose and cesaro look like dorks.

(This years Rumble)

:vince3 :vince3 :vince3 fuck you all i have a monoploy and I will shove the look down your throat.


Im tired of this old senile bastard I think I will stop watching after wrestlemania season I dont think I can bare a 435 day title reign by you know who.
 
#230 ·
Mania will make money regardless.
 
#154 ·
:vince5 Well Daniel, You draw ratings, you sell merch and you are by far the most over guy on the roster.

You're not main event material though because you have long hair, a scruffy beard and Stephanie is taller than you. H

I'm sorry kid those are the rules. Now get out there and warm the crowd up for Roman ! :vince2
Stephanie isn't taller. It's her heels that make her look so.
 
#31 · (Edited)
If the bearded fuck just started threatening people and politicking he could easily get a top spot. Does the dude not understand his value to the WWE? Threaten fuckers, say something, you'd be a top guy in like 2 minutes. They treat you like shit because you are nice all the time and never say anything. While you are at it, kick Dunn's teeth down his throat.

I love ya Bryan, but you can't be nice to people that won't be nice back.
 
#40 ·
If the bearded fuck just started threatening people and politicking he could easily get a top spot. Does the dude not understand his value to the WWE? Threaten fuckers, say something, you'd be a top guy in like 2 minutes. They treat you like shit because your nice all the time and never say anything. While you are at it, kick Dunn's teeth down his throat.

I love ya Bryan, but you can't be nice to people that won't be nice back.
This^^^^^ this guy needs to grow a sack and start politicking like HBK and Hogan did left and right
 
#12 ·
The WWE (or should I say Vince) really doesn't get it does he? :maury

I will be happy with Bryan/Ziggler if it is given the time it deserves, and if it opens the show, even better, b/c it will give the audience all kinds of time to show the WWE how wrong they are about Bryan's placement on the card.

I will be happy with getting to see the match, but if Vince thinks that giving us that match will pacify the Anti-Reigns sentiment or fans shitting on the show, well like I said above he really doesn't get it does he :lol

In a way it means whatever derogatory term you like to use for the MAJORITY of the fanbase that are Bryan fans "win", they get a great match and they still get to shit on WM.
 
#8 · (Edited)
So they are saying that no matter how good you are or how over you are, we will not treat you like a star unless WE like you. On the other hand, no matter how bad the fans react to you, no matter how bad you are on the mic or in the ring, if WE like you, you are being pushed to the moon no matter what. Fucking hell.

What makes it worse is what makes them like you is having DA Look or connections (or both) instead of what SHOULD matter like, I don't know, being able to talk and wrestle, or a word Vince has forgotten in his old age, TALENT.

What bothers me is that Vince has the nerve to talk about people not grabbing the brass ring. How can they when the only 2 WWE has have already been handed to Cena and Reigns, and are non-returnable?
 
#116 ·
I just don't understand the WWE's logic. Does anyone? Thinking of it from a business stance, what the fuck is going on? I like Reigns and Bryan both, but come the fuck on.

One guy gets mainstream attention from relevant media outlets and is the most over wrestling in the past 10 years. He's universally loved by casuals and die hards alike.

The other guy is a fresh face who got decent reactions for a few months before his injury, yet had the most alarming and underwhelming reaction to winning the Royal Rumble.

Do you not want to make money by going with the guy that's actually a fucking star already? Or go with a guy whose push is already backfiring and could continue to spiral down?

Like I said in the Rumble thread... It's like if the WWF put Steve Austin on the back burner to push Ken Shamrock in early 1998.
 
#35 ·
They really must hate him unbelievable amounts.

Over? yes
Can wrestle? yes
talk? not that bad
charismatic? yes
marketable? yes
look? underdog look -- Cena plays the underdog and doesn't fit the look..

Am I missing something? I don't even mark for the guy. But fuck, he has it all. Vince and Dunn have such hatred towards Bryan that they don't push him even knowing he'd be cash money?
 
#38 ·
They really must hate him unbelievable amounts.

Over? yes
Can wrestle? yes
talk? not that bad
charismatic? yes
marketable? yes
look? underdog look -- Cena plays the underdog and doesn't fit the look..

Am I missing something? I don't even mark for the guy. But fuck, he has it all. Vince and Dunn have such hatred towards Bryan that they don't push him even knowing he'd be cash money?
He's not 6 ft 3 ,250 pound bodybuilder
 
#95 · (Edited)
WWE is such a joke company. Poor Bryan.

I'd wait till Wrestlemania and then convince Ziggler to no-show. And then I'd no-show too. The fans would crap on the entire event. It'd be hysterical.

Beyond that though, he needs to save his career in the worst way possible and just politic and bury non-stop in interviews. EVERY interview he gives outside of WWE should be like Orton's 2011 interview or Punk's podcast. Just crap on Reigns and whatever other untalented prick is getting pushed instead of him. Do anything you can to stop him from getting over.

Also, I don't know how much it'll help, but there's lots of anecdotal evidence to suggest the WWE locker room is an unprofessional testosterone-fueled mess, and Bryan should keep that in mind. Jericho said in his book that Vince kept needling/trolling Kofi with the intention of getting Kofi to snap and challenge him to a fight, which Kingston eventually did, earning Vince's respect. Vince even tried to take down Angle once. And then there's the "Plane Ride From Hell," where Curt Hennig was talking down to Brock Lesnar and saying he couldn't take him down. Brock wasn't sure how to respond, but Heyman told him if he didn't take him down he'd never live it down. So Brock subsequently shot in and nearly tackled Hennig through the door of the plane. He didn't get in trouble for it; Hennig got fired. Booker T also kicked Batista's ass when he got a big head backstage and didn't really get in trouble for it, only dropping the title some months later. Maybe Bryan needs to challenge Vince, Triple H, or Reigns to an actual fight backstage to prove a point. The relentless shitting on him almost seems a calculated ploy to get him to snap and stand up for himself, if you think about it. I'm positive he'd work all 3 of them with ease too, especially Vince and Reigns.

The WWE may not view him highly, but the outside world and the fans do. If he chose to he's more than capable of making life VERY difficult for them. It's not the right or moral way to go about his business, but the WWE as a business doesn't operate in an ethical or sensible way, nor do they reward that kind of behavior, and Bryan should act with that in mind going forward.
 
#98 ·
WWE is such a joke company. Poor Bryan.

I'd wait till Wrestlemania and then convince Ziggler to no-show. And then I'd no-show too. The fans would crap on the entire event. It'd be hysterical.

Beyond that though, he needs to save his career in the worst way possible and just politic and bury non-stop in interviews. EVERY interview he gives outside of WWE should be like Orton's 2011 interview or Punk's podcast. Just crap on Reigns and whatever other untalented prick is getting pushed instead of him. Do anything you can to stop him from getting over.

Also, I don't know how much it'll help, but there's lots of anecdotal evidence to suggest the WWE locker room is an unprofessional testosterone-fueled mess, and Bryan should keep that in mind. Jericho said in his book that Vince kept needling/trolling Kofi with the intention of getting Kofi to snap and challenge him to a fight, which Kingston eventually did, earning Vince's respect. Vince even tried to take down Angle once. And then there's the "Plane Ride From Hell," where Curt Hennig was talking down to Brock Lesnar and saying he couldn't take him down. Brock wasn't sure how to respond, but Heyman told him if he didn't take him down he'd never live it down. So Brock subsequently shot in and nearly tackled Heyman through the door of the plane. He didn't get in trouble for it; Hennig got fired. Booker T also kicked Batista's ass when he got a big head backstage and didn't really get in trouble for it, only dropping the title some months later. Maybe Bryan needs to challenge Vince, Triple H, or Reigns to an actual fight backstage to prove a point. The relentless shitting on him almost seems a calculated ploy to get him to snap and stand up for himself, if you think about it. I'm positive he'd work all 3 of them with ease too, especially Vince and Reigns.

The WWE may not view him highly, but the outside world and the fans do. If he chose to he's more than capable of making life VERY difficult for them. It's not the right or moral way to go about his business, but the WWE as a business doesn't operate in an ethical or sensible way, nor do they reward that kind of behavior, and Bryan should act with that in mind going forward.
Reigns has nothing to do with this. Reigns is just doing what Vince and HHH tell him to do. Reigns is not politicking his way into the main event. Reigns is just doing what any good employee would do and listen to their boss.

Bryan should 100% stand up to Vince and hhh challenge them but he shouldn't go after reigns because reigns is not doing anything to Bryan.
 
#56 ·
Amazing that in 2015, Bryan faces a glass ceiling to hinder his success. WWE is perfectly fine drawing Smackdown ratings on hhis back though. He was light years ahead of every other wrestler last night with what was, in my opinion, a mild Hartford crowd. This kind of news report makes me want to see Bryan stage a prison break and head for the greener pastures of New Japan. I must have written FUCK VINCE 20 times this week,but it is still the most salient thing I can say.
 
#90 ·
I've said it many times before in relation to this topic, but I'm done being dicked around with in regards to WM. The Mania's I've attended have had overwhelming support for Daniel Bryan. 28 was his coming out party, 30 was HIS show, and now 31 we're back in the same boat we were in last year -- at least at the moment.

Maybe they were going to do right by DB in his reign last year (if he ever got past the endless matches with Kane), but we'll never know thanks to his injury. But now that he's back, we expect him to be in the same spot where he left. He has the same fan reaction and everything. So, to us, it's like it's April 2014 every time we see him. If there was no injury that shelved him, what's going on now would be the equivalent of him winning the title at mania and then being shat on completely the next month.

So I'm just tired of this tug of war between the fans and WWE on this subject. Wrestlemania is a ton of fucking money to attend live. I don't take my own personal decision to go to one lightly. It's a lot of work on my end to shuffle finances, buy tickets, book flights and a hotel, and everything else. Most of my 2014 was just WRESTLEMANIA. Between saving for 30 and prepping for 31's ticket sales, I poured a shit ton of cash into WWE last year. So it hurts me they think I don't matter. I'm not saying bend to what the fans always want, but at least take into consideration how we're going to react if you're just gonna pull some shit off like what happened at the Rumble.

If they got me, an accused WWE apologist on this board, feeling like this imagine how everyone else feels. This shit is exhausting. The sad thing is eventually Bryan's fan support will die down because we're just tired of fighting for him. We're tired of fighting for other guys like Ziggler, Cesaro, Kidd, and other acts we enjoy. It seems like we're going to have to do the same thing for Owens, Neville, Balor, Itami, and Zayn in due time as well. Do we really want to fight that many battles against WWE?

I'm seeing now WWE is just gonna do what they want for the foreseeable future. Just take joy in knowing Vince isn't getting any younger and won't be doing this forever.
 
#92 ·
I've said it many times before in relation to this topic, but I'm done being dicked around with in regards to WM. The Mania's I've attended have had overwhelming support for Daniel Bryan. 28 was his coming out party, 30 was HIS show, and now 31 we're back in the same boat we were in last year -- at least at the moment.

Maybe they were going to do right by DB in his reign last year (if he ever got past the endless matches with Kane), but we'll never know thanks to his injury. But now that he's back, we expect him to be in the same spot where he left. He has the same fan reaction and everything. So, to us, it's like it's April 2014 every time we see him. If there was no injury that shelved him, what's going on now would be the equivalent of him winning the title at mania and then being shat on completely the next month.

So I'm just tired of this tug of war between the fans and WWE on this subject. Wrestlemania is a ton of fucking money to attend live. I don't take my own personal decision to go to one lightly. It's a lot of work on my end to shuffle finances, buy tickets, book flights and a hotel, and everything else. Most of my 2014 was just WRESTLEMANIA. Between saving for 30 and prepping for 31's ticket sales, I poured a shit ton of cash into WWE last year. So it hurts me they think I don't matter. I'm not saying bend to what the fans always want, but at least take into consideration how we're going to react if you're just gonna pull some shit off like what happened at the Rumble.

If they got me, an accused WWE apologist on this board, feeling like this imagine how everyone else feels. This shit is exhausting. The sad thing is eventually Bryan's fan support will die down because we're just tired of fighting for him. We're tired of fighting for other guys like Ziggler, Cesaro, Kidd, and other acts we enjoy. It seems like we're going to have to do the same thing for Owens, Neville, Balor, Itami, and Zayn in due time as well. Do we really want to fight that many battles against WWE?

I'm seeing now WWE is just gonna do what they want for the foreseeable future. Just take joy in knowing Vince isn't getting any younger and won't be doing this forever.
Speak for yourself and not for everyone. Guys like you said the exact same thing last year and the year before and look he's more over then ever. If WWE are screwing over talents cause not everyone accepts the guys they are pushing or product they give. Then we will fight with WWE.
 
#114 ·
Sorry for the rant by the way. And also, people here, stop blaming the fans for messing up storylines. Even if the WWE changes things at the last minute because of fans, it's usually 10 times better than what they would have come up with. WWE creative my ass.
QFT

Bryan being included in WM30 was infinitely more entertaining than Orton vs Batista. That would have flopped more than Orton vs Triple H.
 
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