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Did anyone think it was racist for RTruth to play D-Von's role?

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#1 ·
At the Rumble Bubba Ray hit some signature spots of the Dudley Boys with R Truth. They substituted a black guy for a black guy? Isn't that racist? Why not Zach Ryder or Ziggler?
 
#10 ·
Of course, the needed someone black and stupid acting, hence r truth

I thought it was a bit bad, but r truth is the only person that fist d vons character the most, or that stupid big haired idiot in new day

I dont agree with wwe's rascist attitude, but they are definitely racists to some extent, they definitely make it clear someone is of different origin
 
#20 · (Edited)
NOPE, R truth has his fans, And they want to see him ! He hasn't had a storyline since 2011, wwe don't get a chance to put r truth out their in the main event often and he was the centre of attention along with duddly, So i'm pretty happy with it !

Truth works hard he deserves to be a rumble highlight, Bubba was the surprise return they always have face jobbers work with returnees

How else do you propose they get mid carders into the mainevent ? given the way they book ?
 
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If I'd rejoined this forum today and seen this ugliness I'd probably have written the whole place off as unintelligent and reactionary arseholes the kind of which you'd find around tabloid newspapers or neoconservative websites.

*DO NOT* tell this man what he would have said. That's disgraceful. You need to slap yourselves in the face for that one because that was as utterly foolish as it was frustrating to read.

What you're thinking is "If they'd have used a white guy, someone would have said that's racist too - you can't win with these people" and that tells me you haven't learned to wrap your spiteful heads round the whole 'different individuals saying different things' conundrum that our brains are too stupid to understand without applying additional intelligence.

*IF* somebody were to say "it was racist that they used a white guy" it would be beyond idiotic and you could rebut that individual's claim. R-Truth was not portraying D-Von in a film. He was standing in for D-Von to perform signature Dudley Boy double team moves. A white man playing D-Von in a biography would have been insulting for a number of reasons (yes there are more than ONE reasons and facets to things in life, *everything* so check your simplistic 'A or B' '1 or 2' dumbed down thinking) namely because the man of the story was white, meaning he'd either not resemble him or would black up to play a white man--this in a world with a history of blacking up white actors because black actors aren't worthy of being used. THAT's why that would have racist elements.

THIS was not a biography. HERE they needed another wrestler to perform his double team moves and so they thought "we'll use another black man". Why did they think that? Because D-Von, Bubba's partner, he's black! Now whether you call it racist--with all the baggage that term has for referring to things far more horrific--or whether you say "this reflects a mentality in which a person's defining feature if they are not white is the colour of their skin"--THIS is where the insulting element lies.

The way almost every single one of you responders have responded to this guy if fucking disgraceful. Why the attitude? Why the nastiness? Why the defensiveness?

They didn't think "we need a stocky powerhouse guy because that's what D-Von was", they thought "we need a black guy because that's what D-Von was" and that defining a person by their non-white ethnicity when viewed along with WWE's history of seeing human beings as their race first and their individual character second is PLAINLY cause to at least ask the damn question without a dozen people basically saying "how dare you even ask that"

Instead of tying the OP in with all the other unrelated human beings who have said other thing and saying "here come the 'everything's racist' brigade" - treat him like a motherfucking individual who is asking ONE question about ONE thing and don't tell the guy what YOU think he would have said. Disgusting display all around.
 
#42 ·
First things first I would like to thank you for the negative rep you gave my previous post. I like the colour red. A lot, it's a powerful and remarkable colour in its own sense.

Second I would like to suggest that you breathe a little bit and calm down over there. I'm not trying to make fun of you or your post by saying this but it helps a lot resonating from a serene point of view when it comes to sensitive subjects like this. If you resort to display a violent kind of post (like the one above) then you will most likely attract the same kind of responses as well, which is unhealthy.

And my third (and probably last point for now) would like to remind you that not everyone perceives the world like you do, ViolentRiC. I'm not interested in dualistic yet limiting thought processes such as 'racism'. This subject alone is boring and in nature rather irrelevant as most people already evolved from this kind of thinking in modern times but the said subject will never truly go away as long as people stubbornly cling onto it and then resort to even more negativity thus continuing the never ending circle.
 
#24 ·
Some people think everything is racist, :lmao.
Who? Who thinks everything is racist? Give me a name. Point me towards a person who does?

No. You are recalling many many different people who have at different times claimed that different things are racist and you're rolling it all into one giant ball of "some people" and then claiming that they think "everything is racist".

Answer me this: what other things has the OP said are racist?

You're going to have a long list of things he's said right?

No, you're not. Because you don't know of anybody who thinks everything (or even "most things" if we excuse your hyperbole) is racist. It's the same lazy, stupid thinking that tells us "everyone complains about everything all the time".

If I'm wrong then answer me those questions. WHO thinks everything is racist? Tell me what else the OP has said is racist - give me the long list that doesn't exist.
 
#25 · (Edited)
Lololol @ violent ric negging me for saying that wwe didn't put in the time to think about it... Then giving an explanation in the comment box that they obviously plan it.

... To take a page out of your book, ric, WHO?! WHO planned it?! GIVE ME A NAME!





And to answer your question, when people (not me) were making posts saying, "people think everything is racist these days", they probably meant black people, so you should go ahead and take that up with them and I'll enjoy the show.
 
#26 · (Edited)
Lololol @ violent ric negging me for saying that wwe didn't put in the time to think about it... Then giving an explanation in the comment box that they obviously plan it.

... To take a page out of your book, ric, WHO?! WHO planned it?! GIVE ME A NAME!


Of course, this is the same guy who can't grasp the concept of "iwc" as a generic, sweeping stereotype of fans who get online and gets all pissy about it. It's like when someone calls something "ghetto". They obviously don't mean that every person living in an impoverished neighborhood does certain things.



And to answer your question, when people (not me) were making posts saying, "people think everything is racist these days", they probably meant black people, so you should go ahead and take that up with them and I'll enjoy the show.
I *can* give you a name. Pat Patterson is one of them, Jamie Noble is another in recent years and if you really would like, I'll gladly do some research and find you the names of other people who plan out Royal Rumbles.

I said in that neg rep that I wouldn't usually neg for it but I wanted to respond to you without double posting which would make it even less likely that people would read my comments; to be fair, I should have PM'd you instead so sorry about that. I'll positive rep you twice later and it'll all balance out.

You're dead wrong about (paraphrasing) "Come on, I'm sure they didn't plan out R-Truth being there with Bubba so they'd have a black guy to do the spots with". Rumble booking is complicated as every wrestler/writer will attest but it is anything but random. Whether you think using his as a makeshift D-Von is patronising as it reflects the mentality of "Aw but we don't have D-Von, well I know! We'll just use another black guy!"* it was certainly supposed to be picked up on by fans.

When Bubba looked over to his side, saw Truth, looked at the fans, the elongated pause was blatantly to say "Are you thining what I'm thinking?" and not just "He's a human being" but "Meh, close enough". I think people are being naive or outright dishonest to claim otherwise - again, burning crosses, it ain't, but based on a very superficial "their defining feature is their colour/race", it is.
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I won't talk much on the IWC thing because I sabotage my posts by being too verbose. The IWC, per that definition, can not exist. Why? Because nobody thinks THEY are one of those stereotypes. Even if they're the quintessential IWC stereotype, they'll only think other people are "IWC losers" and not them.

Plus, like any term that states one thing ('social justice warrior' 'internet wrestling fan' 'ghetto') but then purports to not actually mean that but mean something far more nuanced and specific, it's a failure from the start because for communication to be effective it must be understood - if you have to specify "I don't actually mean people who fight for justice in society, or fans of wrestling on the internet, or people living in 'the ghetto'" then it's a poor vehicle for communication and the blame lies on those who gave it a misleading name.


*'racist' is a minefield of a word, using more words is a better idea even if you do actually think it's racist - see the OP's spiteful reception as proof
 
#28 · (Edited)
Dude, I just think you read WAYYYYY too much into things. Like someone else said, it might have also had to do with the "What's up", which works both ways here.

Racist is just a term that gets thrown around far too much these days. Even if their thought process was, "we need a black guy for this", I personally don't find that "racist" nor do I think that it's a way of objectifying black people.

And despite my being sarcastic, I think that what other people really meant when they said, "everyone thinks everything is racist these days" is that everyone feels the need to walk on eggshells because in this day and age, especially in America, things are perceived as racist that are in absolutely no way, shape, or form meant to be racist. For example, I know someone that runs a gift shop in a local hospital. Recently she was telling me about how people accuse her of being racist for not carrying certain collegiate regalia. Well, the reason is because that specific college (a black college) doesn't license out their name, unlike all the other local colleges. That's just one example that happened to come to mind.

I can't read anyone's minds, but I think what people were getting at is that nowadays people (of all races) consider everything to be a slight against them, when often times it's not. This puts people on the defensive because they're annoyed at always being called a racist, or having someone insinuate that they're racist.
 
#30 ·
Dude, I just think you read WAYYYYY too much into things. Like someone else said, it might have also had to do with the "What's up", which works both ways here.

Racist is just a term that gets thrown around far too much these days. Even if their thought process was, "we need a black guy for this", I personally don't find that "racist" nor do I think that it's a way of objectifying black people.

And despite my being sarcastic, I think that what other people really meant when they said, "everyone thinks everything is racist these days" is that everyone feels the need to walk on eggshells because in this day and age, especially in America, things are perceived as racist that are in absolutely no way, shape, or form meant to be racist. For example, I know someone that runs a gift shop in a local hospital. Recently she was telling me about how people accuse her of being racist for not carrying certain collegiate regalia. Well, the reason is because that specific college (a black college) doesn't license out their name, unlike all the other local colleges. That's just one example that happened to come to mind.

I can't read anyone's minds, but I think what people were getting at is that nowadays people (of all races) consider everything to be a slight against them, when often times it's not.
It's funny because the guy you are talking to is probably a middle classed white guy.

Yet he wants to tell people of a different ethnicity what they should and shouldn't be offended by.

No one said Truth or D-Von's ''Defining'' feature was that they are black. He made this part up by himself.

They are however both black wrestlers in their mid 40's who have been around the business for a long time. That is a connection between the two whether this guy wants to see this or not.
 
#31 ·
I've wondered about this myself, and kind of felt the same way. But, didn't Truth actually want to be a rapper, or was a rapper at one point, or something? I could never tell if they just wanted him to play a stereotype, or if it was a gimmick that he was actually behind in some way.

I do agree that some of his gimmick is offensive in that it's so stereotypical, but I just wasn't sure if that's the way they planned it.
 
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