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The biggest problem with Reigns holding a clean victory over Lesnar at Wrestlemania

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#1 ·
That was something John Cena himself was never able to accomplish (never mind that he was made to be Brock's bitch, every time they met)

Even at Extreme Rules, where his one legit victory over Brock occurred, Cena had to play dirty (with a chain behind his back, to take charging Bork by surprise) after getting dominated the entire match per usual.

So where does Roman go from there?Lesnar himself has beaten everybody there is to beat and proven himself superior to even the face of the company, numerous times.After you beat someone like that, what is left?There is nowhere to go from there but down.

That is why Reigns should NOT beat Lesnar, clean, EVER.Because, why?He has never dominated people the way Bork has, and when he eventually faces Cena, you better believe Cena will give him the fight of his life despite not being a mach for Lesnar.
 
#7 ·
Cena using the chain at Extreme Rules was perfectly legal considering it was, ya know, an Extreme Rules match.

You could also argue that he had Lesnar beat at Night Of Champions, or that he was at least close enough to it that we know that beating Brock is far from being an impossible task for him.

Beyond that, I think this can probably just be put down to how nothing in wrestling is 100% consistent. After the way Brock rag-dolled Cena at Summerslam, there's no one, not even The Rock, that should be a completely believable opponent to beat Lesnar. I actually suspect they'll play up Lesnar's injured ribs (they said he broke one of them during the Rumble match when Rollins elbowed him through the table) against Reigns, which would be smart given that Reigns' finisher is a spear, which directly targets the ribs and the abdomen area.
 
#13 · (Edited)
Cena using the chain at Extreme Rules was perfectly legal considering it was, ya know, an Extreme Rules match.
Never said it wasn't legal.Cena could have had other wrestlers interfere on his behalf without breaking the rules, either.Hiding the chain behind your back (the same chain Lesnar threw away earlier in the match, because he was better than that) was still a dirty move.

You could also argue that he had Lesnar beat at Night Of Champions, or that he was at least close enough to it that we know that beating Brock is far from being an impossible task for him.
Nope.We saw at the RR that Lesnar can take multiple AAs like they are nothing.He walked away from NOC like nothing happened, as well.

Beyond that, I think this can probably just be put down to how nothing in wrestling is 100% consistent. After the way Brock rag-dolled Cena at Summerslam, there's no one, not even The Rock, that should be a completely believable opponent to beat Lesnar.
And seeing that Lesnar is most likely walking away after Mania, not having a believable opponent isn't that much of a problem.


I actually suspect they'll play up Lesnar's injured ribs (they said he broke one of them during the Rumble match when Rollins elbowed him through the table) against Reigns, which would be smart given that Reigns' finisher is a spear, which directly targets the ribs and the abdomen area.
We'll see.That's not enough in my opinion, though.
 
#14 ·
WWE must have really good faith on Brock if he is scheduled to leave after Mania to have him as their Champion till his very last PPV... They didn't have the same faith for a Hall of Famer.... hmmm...

Reigns will spear Brock maybe thrice and commentary will play up the rib injury. If I am not wrong he lost one to HHH with exactly same rib issue during an earlier ppv right?
 
#20 · (Edited)
I'd prefer to just go with "he's the shittiest wrestler on the roster" than bring up that Cena can't beat him, but whatever.



I don't know what Roman Reigns you've been watching but this motherfucker ain't exactly Stephen Hawking. :bryanlol


I love you
 
#19 ·
Roman Reigns won't be defeating Brock Lesnar for the WHC at Mania. Seth Rollins will be.

Reigns had his moment at Rumble, and it was a catastrophe. If this was last year, they'd add Bryan in for a triple threat. Unfortunately, they can't do that again. So... we will see a Road to Wrestlemania that is only really justified by Seth Rollins involvement.

Reigns will lose to the Beast, then Rollins will take the strap off the Beast when Heyman turns on Lesnar.
 
#26 ·
I know you a huge Roman fan girl and you usually post alot of garbage but can you for once follow your name and actually be "cool". :)
 
#24 ·
Or....or...he can just beat him. I mean what did Rock do to allow him to beat Austin and Hogan who ran through everyone and their mother? Rock lost all the time. Guess he wasn't credible right? Wrong.

What did D Bryan do to even suggest he could beat Cena, nonetheless Orton, Batista, and HHH in the same night? Nothing.

What did Seth do that allowed him to beat Orton clean? Nothing.

That example literally lasts for everyone they try to put over. That's the point. You're putting them over and giving them credibility to be a main, dominant guy, by beating a currently dominating and main guy. It's booking 101.

And luckily Reigns DOES have credibility of never really losing, beating Orton, powering out of the STF, lifting both Big Show and Kane at once, winning the Rumble, etc. Plus he has a believable look to beat Brock.
 
#28 · (Edited)
The whole point of this is creating a new star in Roman Reigns, Cena never needed to beat Lesnar. Brock was made to look like a beast since day 1.. If Lesnar is leaving after WrestleMania, damn right Roman Reigns should go over.. It will make Reigns a bigger star conquering the 1 in 21 and 1, and Brock will have put over an up-coming talent on his way out.
 
#31 ·
your argument is basically "if cena couldn't do something then nobody should" which is complete bollox

cena couldn't beat punk let alone clean for nearly 2 years (until feb 2013 on raw) but yet during that time punk lost to numerous guys. bryan has failed time and time again against bray but holds clean wins over cena, hhh, orton/batista
 
#32 · (Edited)
your argument is basically "if cena couldn't do something then nobody should" which is complete bollox
Cena was number #1 and portrayed as the best for more than a decade.He's done and beaten almost everyone and everything.Roman won't accomplish more than half of what Cena did, no matter how much Vince wants him to.


cena couldn't beat punk let alone clean for nearly 2 years (until feb 2013 on raw)
And when did Punk beat Cena (clean)?That one time Cena got distracted by Vince?

Punk also never came close to dominating Cena the way Lesnar did.No one has.And probably no one else will.

Or....or...he can just beat him. I mean what did Rock do to allow him to beat Austin and Hogan who ran through everyone and their mother? Rock lost all the time. Guess he wasn't credible right? Wrong.

What did D Bryan do to even suggest he could beat Cena, nonetheless Orton, Batista, and HHH in the same night? Nothing.

What did Seth do that allowed him to beat Orton clean? Nothing.

That example literally lasts for everyone they try to put over. That's the point. You're putting them over and giving them credibility to be a main, dominant guy, by beating a currently dominating and main guy. It's booking 101.

Or....or...or....or.... NOT?

Rock lost all the time, sure.But rarely clean, and he was never made to look like he was incapable of winning or his opponent was completely out of his league.


Orton, Triple H, Batista, Cena have all lost to mid-carders and people way below their league before: Shelton Benjamin, Kofi Kingston, Tensai, Carlito etc... ring a bell?

They were never made to look invincible, not the way Brock has.Even at their prime, they would never no sell an Attitude adjustment like Brock does all the time.They could never squash Cena the way Brock did multiple times.What are you talking about here?



And luckily Reigns DOES have credibility of never really losing,
So does Rusev, yet no one likes his chances against Cena.

beating Orton, powering out of the STF, lifting both Big Show and Kane at once, winning the Rumble, etc.
And Roman struggled with Orton, struggled with Cena, Big Show, Kane etc.Could never completely squash any of them or no sell their finishers.

Plus he has a believable look to beat Brock
Hahaha, NOPE.
 
#34 ·
He's not going to go over clean. They'll get the message in a week or two's time that they need to do something else and they will.

The match is still going to happen but there will be a heel turn and align,ent with Heyman or Rollins cash in or something like that.

Unless Reigns starts getting cheered :)lol) then the plan will change. He will not go over Lesnar clean.

He could even lose the match whilst still technically being a face only for Rollins to still cash in on a weakened Lesnar and hit a big phoenix splash or something to win the title.

WWE know now deep down Reigns is not the big Superman draw Vince wanted him to be and he never will be.
 
#37 ·
If Reigns' remains a face and Lesnar is still leaving the next day then Reigns is going over clean as a whistle.
The majority of posters here don't seem to believe in dat.

That's the entire basis for Lesnar's push.
Huh, then why the "broken rib" nonsense?

And sure, Brock needed to be booked strong to feed Reigns properly, but did they really need to go to such lengths?

Again, where does Reigns go after beating a God like Lesnar "clean as a whistle"?Cena who got destroyed by that God a million times?Rollins, Sheamus, Orton will look like a challenge to someone who beat the MONSTER they could never, EVER beat?
 
#38 ·
The only way Reigns should beat Brock at WM, in my opinion, is by Heyman turning on Brock and Reigns leaving Brock in his most vulnerable state ever after some chair shots and belt shots plus a couple of Spears.

Think WM 17 with Rock & Austin and those chair shots by Austin at the end.
 
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