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Watched Vince's interview today to seee what this brass ring meme was and DAMN

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#1 · (Edited)
So he really thinks Punk with his SES acting like a twisted Jesus, Barrett with nexus, freaking Zack Ryder forcing himself on TV with youtube, and Bryan putting on 2 and 3 matches a night, isn't going above, taking chances, or reaching for that next level?

But Reigns sporting a duck face and saying belee dat, is reaching for the brass ring?

Talk about lowering the bar. For Ziggler the bar is set at "this chump won't will himself to grow 2 inches, he's not ambitious" while for Reigns the bar is - "see how hard he concentrated on not tripping over the guard rail? Guy wants that brass ring".

Even worse than all that nonsense is how McMahon used mellenials. Like it was a short hand adjective that everyone should just know describes mediocrity and low standards. Like he didn't even try to explain the generational differences it was just, "well Ya know they're mellenials". Wow he is so much farther out of touch than I ever thought.

Guy was born into a wealthy family during one of the biggest expansionary periods human history has ever experienced and wonders why other people aren't doing what he did.

I'm a gen x-er, but I hate the way mellenials are attacked. As if the world is messed up bc people in their 20s aren't taking orders right, instead of faulting the people 50-70 that are giving the orders. It's such a shameless scape goat. It's like they woke up one morning and realized, "well shit we can't blame ethnic groups or other countries anymore, people really care about this race stuff". And someone else was like, "don't worry, we can blame young people".

I grew up in the projects, but now live in a 4 bedroom house in pleasantville and get to teach at a multi-billion dollar university, so I'm not all doom and gloom. I won't side with brooding miserable bastards, who want everything in the world to be miserable. There are great things in the world, and you can still do well, life can be good and happy, but you have to be aware of the amazing amount of luck that takes.

I worked hard to get what I have, but if 1,000 other people did everything I did, worked just as much, with as much talent, there would still be 999 people out of a job bc there is much less opportunity. So to be me, go from the projects to a dream life, and have the stones to admit it was luck, it really chaps my ass when I see this shit from baby boomers who experienced the most prosperous and easiest time in all of human history that any human has ever experienced, get on other peoples ass as the world is descending.

Getting it back to Vince, he even made things worse in his own little isolated industry, by creating a monopoly and taking even more opportunity away from this generation of wrestlers. Less promotions, less top guys, less chances to main event, less exposure. All so he could have all. And notice I didn't say more, bc the crazy thing is, he has less, but feels better about it bc it is all of the pie. It's like getting 20lbs of cake when their is 35lbs vs getting 15lbs when there is only 15lbs.

So fuck him.
 
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#2 ·
People don't understand this generation has so much more on their plate. The next generation will have even more too. It's really unfair that most people don't understand it just gets harder and harder.
 
#5 · (Edited)
The 'Brass Ring' is such a kayfabe thing, just to put on an act that everyone can have a chance to grab it. Ryder got buried for putting himself over.

Fucking company knows who they want as a star, and will force it. You think Reigns is more of a star than Bryan? Vince wants his poster boy, he wants his company's 'Frankenstein monster', his creation.

The 'Brass Ring' is just to keep employees moral up, even though they will never get it. You know, just like keeping the lower class from going full anarchy by saying 'one day, you can become rich too!', when you know it's bullshit.

'Brass Ring' is just like being World Champ. They book you.
 
#7 ·
The most important point made here was definitely about Vince's separate set of standards for other talent vs his standard for Roman Reigns. What exactly does he do to grab the brass ring that others haven't? Exactly. This "brass rings" business is just a huge contradiction.

I'm a millenial who hates millenials just btw. I think the culture is degenerate, I think a good amount of us are entitled, I think we're petty and concerned with insignificant ish. It's true that none of that is specific to millenials but it doesn't really excuse the fact that we should be the most self aware and progressive generation yet do nothing about the fundamental degeneration. But I digress, just chiming in on the generational statements.
 
#13 · (Edited)
I wouldn't get on your generation too much. Like you said none of those are exclusive to your generation. And to be honest the entitlement argument is more of a buzzword. I won't speak for you, but for myself I haven't seen examples of entitlement, but rather I see accusations of it all the time. I think it's becomes one of those things that if you say it enough it becomes true.

It's difficult to try and fit in with a generalization of people, which is what you might be experiencing. If you can't always find similar ground or aren't excited over the same cultural things to bond over it's easy to be disatisfied. I was very disatisfied with my generation on a cultural level, but I can't label them a pariah or worse than any other. I wouldn't do the same to yours. My parents generation just wanted to get high and rock and roll. My generation wanted to fuck the man, but get paid well for it, we couldn't decide.

I teach to your generation every day and I can't even peg them. I couldn't tell you what your generations faults or virtues are. Unforunately I think mellenials are the most confused and stretched out generations I've ever had experiences with, but I can't blame them they are the most manipulated by media and government.

I think the internet exacerbates mellenials stereotypes as well, bc the most extreme gain the most traction. Also there is no obvious age to the voices and opinions on the net, but unfairly almost everything on the Internet is thought to come from mellenials.

I see mellenials are supposed to -
Want more genuine and less materialistic lives
But
This generation (on the Internet at least) has really ushered in an if you're not number 1 you failed attitude
And indetifying themselves with corporate brand loyalty

They also distrust aspects of government
But
Want the largest portions of government and are the most docile towards authority and a governing system

Most libertarians are from my generation, while the least are from baby boomers and mellenials

It seems like mellenials have two extremes that get a lot of attention in public forums like the Internet, there's hipsters (which I don't even know what they are or who is a hipster) but I do know that they are very different from the "dude bros" who I personally experience much more of. It also doesn't help that mellenials grew up in a very unstable time for socialization, the world has not agreed on set values and norms for the last 15 years. So it would make sense your generation is all over the board, so I wouldn't be too hard on them.

Lord knows there's things in my head, and pangs in my gut from virtues I wish I could talk about with other people. So I think that is a timeless, universal experience.
 
#8 ·
Did :punk teach you guys nothing?

The Brass Rings are imaginary, they don't exist. There's nothing to grab from Vince except his balls or his ass, with your lips attached to his cheeks.

In all honesty, I blame Vince but I don't think the wrestlers are just completely defenseless and blind. I've heard so many stories about when wrestlers didn't like this or that, they stormed to Vince's office and demanded change. What's keeping them from doing that now? What's the point in staying on a "team" where you experience little to no growth and keep seeing the same MVP every season?

Instead of reaching for some damn rings, they should start creating their own.
 
#29 ·
Most of the people who stormed into Vince's office and demanded change were people on the roster who knew that Vince saw value in them or people who knew they could get a deal of equal or greater value elsewhere. Much of the roster has come up through WWE's training ground ranks (OVW, FCW, NXT, etc.) and have no idea what they may be worth on the indie circuit and probably have no idea what Vince thinks of them. I doubt they are having employee evaluations every few months with Vince.
 
#18 ·
In vinces eyes, being muscular and having cute face is talent. I think we need to admit that he's probably embarrassed to be running a wrestling company, he just want it to be a soap opera and sell the merchandise. he hates the word wrestling. People like him shouldn't do podcasts cause he was clearly not being honest about anything, the guy was only interested in pushing people into the pool or talking about his past.
 
#21 ·
The Podcast was a pretty eye-opening experience, it's not like we didn't know Vince thought these stupid and idiotic things before; but to hear it straight from the horses mouth on his own Network was just strange.
 
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#24 ·
Vince is a two-bit con artist at heart. He swindled everyone in the territories back in the day and poached them of talent, both wrestlers and managing assistants. He surrounded himself with competent people that helped built his empire. His only talent is to fraud and manipulate. Vince is truly a piece of shit.

Now he sits on his throne and gives everyone lessons on how to be successful. How about go fuck yourself you pompous cunt? Thanks for ruining pro-wrestling with your kiddie crap. You might be successful but everyone else is miserable because of you.
 
#25 ·
Da look is all i care about dammit and money Reigns gives me a hard on :vince3 and he will grab the brass ring that should sports entertain you dammit :vince5
 
#27 ·
Was anyone else disappointed by Stone Cold too? I have to give him credit for some good questions like CM Punk and Taker, and making Vince accountable at times, like getting him to say Lesnar going over was his call, but there is some big stories he didn't even touch, and there was way too much dick sucking between the two about the own feud that is irrelevant 17 years later.
 
#30 ·
There is no brass ring, at least not in this era.
 
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